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For that to be true, it needs to be demonstrated how anti-Zionism is the same as anti-Semitism.
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For that to be true, it needs to be demonstrated how anti-Zionism is the same as anti-Semitism.
Define "Zionism" in a modern context. What does it mean when someone calls themself a "Zionist" today?The ideological difference between "anti-Zionism" and antisemitism is equivalent to the difference between people who fly the confederate flag because they yearn for the days when "certain people knew their place" and people who fly it claiming "it's just about states' rights and pride in southern heritage"
Define "Zionism" in a modern context. What does it mean when someone calls themself a "Zionist" today?
Attempting to find the definition of Zionism today will still boil down to two only slightly different ideologies such as ThatRobGuy commented, and the difference is slight enough not to matter to anyone but themselves in their own heads.ThatRobGuy said:
The ideological difference between "anti-Zionism" and antisemitism is equivalent to the difference between people who fly the confederate flag because they yearn for the days when "certain people knew their place" and people who fly it claiming "it's just about states' rights and pride in southern heritage"
The ideological difference between "anti-Zionism" and antisemitism is equivalent to the difference between people who fly the confederate flag because they yearn for the days when "certain people knew their place" and people who fly it claiming "it's just about states' rights and pride in southern heritage"
Humor me.Attempting to find the definition of Zionism today will still boil down to two only slightly different ideologies such as ThatRobGuy commented, and the difference is slight enough not to matter to anyone but themselves in their own heads.
It's not so much about the definition held by someone who would consider themselves a "Zionist" (in the purely semantic sense - defined as "advocate for the statehood and protection of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland")Define "Zionism" in a modern context. What does it mean when someone calls themself a "Zionist" today?
The point of my analogy wasn't to suggest that the Palestinians were slave holders.That's a ridiculous analogy, and isn't true to the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinians were not equivalent to southern slaveholders.
This is more like Orangemen vs. Republicans in Derry.
Not that I agree with Hamas invasion. Just like I don't agree with Putin terrorists attack. I hope they are both put out of power. But it's seems like someone worse, seems to come into power. There are Christians, Muslims and Jewish people on the Palestinians side. I don't waist time watching The Fox News channel.The have knowingly allowed their employees to lie, in the past. I doubt most people in America know enough to protest or defend Hamas. I believe they are just in the hype on a cause."Even at the cost of jewish lives"? Ending jewish lives is the entire point.
It's not about the people who use the word correctly and who fit the literal description of an antizionist?It's not so much about the definition held by someone who would consider themselves a "Zionist" (in the purely semantic sense - defined as "advocate for the statehood and protection of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland")
That is categorically false but it is definitely the strategy that pro zionists are constantly trying to put forward to discredit antizionists.It's how the "anti-Zionist" position/rhetoric is often joined at the hip with several other controversial and problematic ideologies
I'd say that that definition of Zionism is a bit dated - the state of Israel has been established. These days, when I see someone explicitly call themselves a Zionist, they tend to be in favor of expansionistic settlements and policies that oppress the Palestinian/Arab minority in Israel.It's not so much about the definition held by someone who would consider themselves a "Zionist" (in the purely semantic sense - defined as "advocate for the statehood and protection of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland")
That's fair, but someone who calls themself "anti-fascist" today does not necessarily subscribe to any of those controversial or problematic ideologies. There are plenty of people using it literally. The fact that certain people/groups have adopted a term does not necessarily change the meaning of the term in common usage.It's how the "anti-Zionist" position/rhetoric is often joined at the hip with several other controversial and problematic ideologies
Much like the modern "Anti-fascist" movement is about a whole lot more than just merely opposing fascism.
Nope, the first example was better - "All Lives Matter" was created as a deliberately inflammatory response to "Black Lives Matter."Or, as a perhaps better example. Having a position of "all lives equally mattering" in a purely semantic sense, in and of itself, isn't anything controversial. However, if someone is going out of their way to put an "All Lives Matter" sticker on the back of their truck or use it as a slogan at a counter-protest, we all know that position is more than what's being described at face value...it's meant as an indirect jab at what they really want to oppose, which is the "Black Lives Matter" message, but in a way that gives them plausible deniability and the ability to rebuttal with "well what's so bad about thinking that all lives matter???" when called out for it.
The ADL isn't really an unbiased source on this. There was quite a bit of dissention, even internally, related to their absolutist position that "anti-Zionism is antisemitism".
Apologies - updated with a non-paywalled source, as well as a link to the actual letter.Pay wall blocked
It's not about the people who use the word correctly and who fit the literal description of an antizionist?
How could it literally be about anything else unless you're trying to insinuate something?
That is categorically false but it is definitely the strategy that pro zionists are constantly trying to put forward to discredit antizionists.
She is clearly being disingenuous. Jews know exactly what she means.