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Oh tish-tosh, the real “reason” things are getting hotter is that people sin more and we’re getting closer to making the world go to [heck]!

Sounds plausible.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
 
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Sounds plausible.

Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
The legions of [heck] have to arise, we stole all of the coal and oil that they need to keep the place hot!
They’re just here for “warmth”.
 
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The legions of [heck] have to arise, we stole all of the coal and oil that they need to keep the place hot!

They forgot to steal something:

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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Last year saw record low levels of sea ice — and this year looks set to be even worse, scientists say​


Antarctica just hit a record low in sea ice — by a lot

Sea ice levels around Antarctica just registered a record low — and by a wide margin — as winter comes to a close, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). This significant milestone adds worry that Antarctic sea ice may be entering a state of decline brought on by climate change.

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This February, scientists reported Antarctic floating sea ice hit an all-time low at the end of the summer — and sea ice growth continued to remain slow through winter.

This year, Antarctica reached its annual maximum coverage on Sept. 10, about 13 days earlier than average.

Less sea ice means less sunlight will be reflected back to space, causing waters to warm more and destabilize surrounding ice and glaciers. Coastlines are also much more exposed with less sea ice, removing a buffer that could help protect melting ice shelves or ice sheets. [i.e. there's a positive feedback loop (but with negative results)]

Warmer ocean temperatures around the continent have caused major ice melt around the ice sheet, including destabilizing the Thwaites Glacier, which is about the size of Florida and contributes to 4 percent of annual global sea level rise.

“Polar ice is one of the world’s biggest insurance policies against runaway climate change, and we can see in both the North and the South sea ice, we’ve got problems and alarm bells are ringing.”

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A study published on Sept. 13 said these records indicate that “the underlying processes controlling Antarctic sea ice coverage may have altered.”

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This appears to be a variation on "it snowed, in Ohio, in February so therefore global warming is a hoax".

Tennessee Congressman Says Not to Worry About Global Warming Because It ‘Was 29 Degrees’ on Halloween


Meanwhile, James Hansen is still working...

The planet is on track to heat up at a much faster rate than scientists have previously predicted, meaning a key global warming threshold could be breached this decade, according to a new study co-authored by James Hansen — the US scientist widely credited with being the first to publicly sound the alarm on the climate crisis in the 1980s.

In the paper, published Thursday in the journal Oxford Open Climate Change, Hansen and more than a dozen other scientists used a combination of paleoclimate data, including data from polar ice cores and tree rings, climate models and observational data, to conclude that the Earth is much more sensitive to climate change than previously understood.
 
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Yes. I've been posting on a closely related aspect of this quite a few times in the last 5 years here -- how new findings of mechanisms that affect climate, new factors and feedback loops discovered (year after year) -- almost all of them will act to increase warming speed.

Ergo, these ongoing discoveries have been implying that year after year, the existing models have been consistently underestimating the speed of warming, and we should expect warming to be significantly faster than predicted in the last 5 or 10 years generally.

Since nature still has some cards we haven't seen yet....just to be sure though we do get more warming faster than thought before...humans have also continued to increase greenhouse gas emissions lately more than predicted also....
 
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You're preaching to the tone-deaf, Halbhh...tone deaf and sweating...
We do tend to get disproportionately more responses at from those most adamant to deny something they wanted to be different than it is.... But there are many that agree and don't feel a need to post, and even a few perhaps that are learning something new.
 
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I would like to see the planet get more CO2 (about twice the current level) and get a bit warmer. A warmer planet is a wetter planet. The planet is already greening. This is a good thing, IMO.

 
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We do tend to get disproportionately more responses at from those most adamant to deny something they wanted to be different than it is.... But there are many that agree and don't feel a need to post, and even a few perhaps that are learning something new.
In my experience, when an issue has two basic sides, both sides deny some things and accept other things. The question is, which things should be denied and which should be accepted, and why? Consensus is never the answer. It is merely an ad-populum argument. It always begs the question, "why is there a consensus? What evidence convinced them? And should it be denied or accepted?"
 
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Consensus is never the answer. It is merely an ad-populum argument.
In a vacuum, sure. But a scientific consensus is not the same as you and your buddies agreeing on which bar you think is the best.
It always begs the question, "why is there a consensus?
Because a large number of studies show similar or complementary results.
What evidence convinced them?
This can be determined by reading those studies.
And should it be denied or accepted?"
That depends - do you have research that shows an alternative explanation for the same observations? Do your studies point in a different direction?
 
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I would like to see the planet get more CO2 (about twice the current level)
Why twice the current level? What effect would that have, how have you determined it, and how would you propose to hold it at that level without getting any higher?
and get a bit warmer.
How much warmer?
A warmer planet is a wetter planet.
In parts, perhaps. It makes other parts drier though. And while global average precipitation is increasing, it's hard to say for certain if that trend will continue. While climate changes on shorter timescales than many other natural processes, those timescales are still long compared to human lifespans. We don't really know how things will end up until the situation stabilizes.
The planet is already greening. This is a good thing, IMO.
Why is it a good thing?
 
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In a vacuum, sure. But a scientific consensus is not the same as you and your buddies agreeing on which bar you think is the best.
But what if our grants/livelihood depend on us picking a particular bar. :tearsofjoy:
 
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Why twice the current level? What effect would that have, how have you determined it, and how would you propose to hold it at that level without getting any higher?

How much warmer?
I dunno. I just think it could get warmer/wetter and increased CO2 could really, really help. See the video I posted a few posts up.

My comment is not to say how much warmer it could get. Rather, that it's not there yet and it's not something we should even concern ourselves with any more than we did a couple hundred years ago. Regarding the subject at hand, I just see this whole issue as a bunch of civilization destroying solutions looking for a problem.

And don't tell anyone, but I created a thread about this on another site back in 2006 that had over 6,000 posts. I used to be really interested in subjects like temperature ground stations and their reliability. And I used to really get into the whole AGW nonsense. I have more important things to concern myself with since I moved to a VERY conservative country (Kentucky). Like keeping my blades sharp on my zero turn mower and keeping my creeks clear.

These days, I just defer all my AGW arguments to sites like this, among others: Real Climate Science | "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts." — Richard Feynman
And YouTube channels like this (among others): https://www.youtube.com/@ClimateDN
 
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I would like to see the planet get more CO2 (about twice the current level) and get a bit warmer.
unfortunately this is already happening, as we are departing from the more favorable than today global climate of the past we knew in the 1970s-1990s really, into a different climate already that is less reliable for agriculture in already established great bread basket areas....(and moving agriculture to some new areas is chancy (will it work?), even though that appears necessary) and this already coming new climate is worse with worse droughts, floods and storms on average than the past average from the 70s-90s.

You've heard about the droughts that have hit much U.S. crop production in some states in the last few years? This is compensated by of course other areas coming in to production and with strains that give better yields, etc., but the challenge to replace production lost to droughts is expected to get more difficult.
 
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unfortunately this is already happening, as we are departing from the more favorable than today global climate of the past we knew in the 1970s-1990s really, into a different climate already that is less reliable for agriculture in already established great bread basket areas....(and moving agriculture to some new areas is chancy (will it work?), even though that appears necessary) and this already coming new climate is worse with worse droughts, floods and storms on average than the past average from the 70s-90s.
Actually, storm activity decreased. There is a good list of articles and discussion here: Not a Billion Dollar Disaster
And the good news about change is that it is very slow. Slow enough that the local culture can adapt. e.g. they can start planting orange trees and vineyards in the Sahara and Siberia. :tearsofjoy:

But I posted a video a few posts up that discusses what's happening.
 
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But what if our grants/livelihood depend on us picking a particular bar. :tearsofjoy:
Ah yes, it's all one big conspiracy. :rolleyes:

I dunno. I just think it could get warmer/wetter and increased CO2 could really, really help. See the video I posted a few posts up.
Increased greening is not necessarily beneficial. Impacts on crop yields are pretty minimal (increases in that department over time are primarily due to improvements in fertilizers, genetic modification, and irrigation), and there's even research showing that plants grown in environments higher in CO2 are actually less nutritious.
My comment is not to say how much warmer it could get. Rather, that it's not there yet and it's not something we should even concern ourselves with any more than we did a couple hundred years ago.
Based on your expert opinion, of course.
Regarding the subject at hand, I just see this whole issue as a bunch of civilization destroying solutions looking for a problem.
How are the solutions "civilization destroying"?
 
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Ah yes, it's all one big conspiracy. :rolleyes:
Actually, that is not what I said. And what about the "deniers are just frontmen for their financial backers, the oil industry"? At least the grant money is a real thing and not just a BFC*. :cool:

*Big Fat Claim is a very powerful sales tool, as long as you can back it up with evidence.
 
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Based on your expert opinion, of course.

How are the solutions "civilization destroying"?
Regarding your first question: Without exposing details, yes.

Regarding the second question: Wealth redistribution (via carbon credits) from producers to non-producers is one. There are MANY others. There is a reason the farmers were protesting.
 
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Actually, storm activity decreased. There is a good list of articles and discussion here: Not a Billion Dollar Disaster
And the good news about change is that it is very slow. Slow enough that the local culture can adapt. e.g. they can start planting orange trees and vineyards in the Sahara and Siberia. :tearsofjoy:

But I posted a video a few posts up that discusses what's happening.
Wait, before reviewing anything that could be redundant information for me, that might only tell me what I already know, let me just state a general thing I already know, first:

"Additionally, the global frequency of storms may decrease or remain unchanged, but hurricanes that form are more likely to become intense."

So, for now, fewer, but worse.
Ok?

Now, did you have really new information there for me to see? (but let me warn you, if it tries to claim climate is cooling that won't be a legit article as the evidence is very overwhelming that climate is warming over decades of time)
 
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