Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

[Divide]

What the heck is an assault weapon?

A 22LR pistol can be an assault weapon. It depends on what is in the man's heart. Is he going to assault someone with it? So they used 22's and 25's for a long time, so we got .38's and 45's. Then they Police got 9mm's so they got Tec-9's (LOL!) so we got AR15s so we can assault the criminals who try to assault us or our family!

Those 44 Magnum lever action rifles with a 10 round mag tube would prolly make a dandy assault rifle!. But 44 Magnum ammo is very expensive nowadays so it behooves anyone wanting to buy a 44 magnum, to reload your own ammo for it. I can still load a box of 44 Magnums with very warm hunting loads, 50 rounds for about 5 or 6 bucks. Look at 44 Mag prices! They are like 40 bucks for 20 rounds?! I can load them that cheap because I also cast my own lead bullets for it and that is the most expensive conponant that goes into loading for 44 Mag (if you buy 44 bullets to reload.
I have some guns that have never fired a factory round.
You still spend a lot on ammo because you buy in bulk the conponants, but you get to shoot more! A lot more..

 

[FireDragon76]

Added to anti-gun people is the fact they can't fight with their hands, either.

I don't know about that. I studied Kali, Jeet Kune Do, and Chinese internal martial arts back in the day.

Martial prowess doesn't make a person great.

So, you have all these couch psychologists telling everyone else the world is beautiful because they never experience anything more scary than their living room wallpaper or their doorbell.

I've experienced plenty of scary things. That's no reason for me to seek to become scary in turn.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Speaking from a biblical perspective this is my viewpoint on the gun debate. Christians should be for gun rights. Why? Because guns are used for hunting and the Bible justifies hunting. Even if you're a Christian pacifist you've got to admit that guns are used for hunting. So if for no other reason Christians should be for gun rights because guns are used for hunting.

First, they came for the guns. Then they came for the bayonets and swords. Lastly, they came for the knives, then the forks and spoons.

After that, there was nothing left to eat with ...

 

[YorkieGal]

I don't know about that. I studied Kali, Jeet Kune Do, and Chinese internal martial arts back in the day.

Martial prowess doesn't make a person great.



I've experienced plenty of scary things. That's no reason for me to seek to become scary in turn.

Martial arts is like artistic dance, IMO.

I don't believe you've ever been punched in the face or had your life threatened.

Sorry, but I just don't.

 

[public hermit]

Weirdest post of the day award goes to.........

Thanks! I do try so I appreciate the acknowledgement. I don't think it's as weird as this obsession with guns. As a gun owner, it's even weird to me. Gun culture in this society has changed. I grew up where they were treated as tools that required great responsibility for use. Now they're treated as objects of identity, signals of political affiliation, and as props for Christmas cards. It's gross.

 

[YorkieGal]

Thanks! I do try so I appreciate the acknowledgement. I don't think it's as weird as this obsession with guns. As a gun owner, it's even weird to me. Gun culture in this society has changed. I grew up where they were treated as tools that required great responsibility for use. Now they're treated as objects of identity, signals of political affiliation, and as props for Christmas cards. It's gross.

Well, I think you're applying a gross over generalization based on a very limited perspective which I don't share.

I don't know anyone in their right mind who glorifies guns unless they're gang bangers on a cheap music video or below the age of 12.

People who own guns, regardless of religious affiliation, usually only have them for self defense.

If not, refer to sentence above.

 

[Divide]

*Gun worship*

Guns have become just one more idol with which Christians in the US can distract themselves. They're no longer seen as tools for food procurement or even self-defense. They've become one more essential for one's identity as a proper Christian. If I carve humanity into Gun-lovers and Gun-haters, as if those a proper predicates by which others are to be judged, then I have succumbed to a form of idolatry.

You have to be talking about my loose lips, lol. And you are totally wrong. Do you think I could live in Colorado for 30 years without going hunting for food? And yes I was very successful and my kids! Have you ever tasted a fresh Elk steak?

And yes sir, Bobby guns are also very Very useful for self defense! Geez, you havent thought this through very far have you? Guns are idolized by Christians is what you say? Hmm. I'll give you this much, gun Can Be idolized by some people who are probably victims of Hollywood but that is not me. Nice try wrong guy. I grew up with guns and shooting and my dear departed dad taught all his kids that guns are useful for many things, most notably, food and self defense? So it is not idolatry with me because guns are just a way of life on planet earth. Or am I not allowed to do that? You can believe all of that anti-gun rhetoric from the Leftists all you want to but I promise you that the day will come that you will wish you had a gun.

If they hit us with an EMP and blacks out the country, how will feed your family when the grocery store is not open because it does not have electricity? If looting starts and someone shows up to your house to rob you of your familys food, how will you protect them?

 

[FireDragon76]

Martial arts is like artistic dance, IMO.

I don't believe you've ever been punched in the face or had your life threatened.

Sorry, but I just don't.

Punched in the face? Not since I was a little kid, perhaps. I was smart enough to stay out of trouble.

I live in a neighborhood where I occasionally find MS-13 gang tags. So don't preach to me about living a privileged life. I'm still under no illusions that a gun is going to make me safer, or that it won't exact a cost on my soul. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[Divide]

Thanks! I do try so I appreciate the acknowledgement. I don't think it's as weird as this obsession with guns. As a gun owner, it's even weird to me. Gun culture in this society has changed. I grew up where they were treated as tools that required great responsibility for use. Now they're treated as objects of identity, signals of political affiliation, and as props for Christmas cards. It's gross.

Maybe being a gun owner seems like some make it a big deal, but this would not be so if they were not trying to make me not own guns. Right or wrong? They are making it a big deal and seem to be obsessed with taking good peoples gun! That's weird!

 

[Divide]

Punched in the face? No. I was smart enough to stay out of trouble.

I live in a neighborhood where I occasionally find MS-13 gang tags. So don't preach to me about living a privileged life.

So it is the southwest. So you are a gun-owner. I thought so.

 

[YorkieGal]

Punched in the face? No. I was smart enough to stay out of trouble.

I live in a neighborhood where I occasionally find MS-13 gang tags. So don't preach to me about living a privileged life.

Not preaching and not suggesting privelage but definitely think you live a unique reality. There are gang tags, we assume are made by a legitimate gang and what are your views on this if/when they do something to you? Are you going to hide, run, beg, plead, call the police and hope they make it to you in time?

Genuine question because I don't see how being unarmed in your area is a good survival strategy.

Lots of people don't deserve to be punched in the face but it happens, anyway. You don't have to seek trouble for it to find you. Usually, if people do seek trouble, they know how to fight, anyway, or they wouldn't be brave enough to seek trouble in the first place. So, moot point.

 

[Divide]

Well, I think you're applying a gross over generalization based on a very limited perspective which I don't share.

I don't know anyone in their right mind who glorifies guns unless they're gang bangers on a cheap music video or below the age of 12.

People who own guns, regardless of religious affiliation, usually only have them for self defense.

If not, refer to sentence above.

Good answer!

 

[Divide]

Not preaching and not suggesting privelage but definitely think you live a unique reality. There are gang tags, we assume are made by a legitimate gang and what are your views on this if/when they do something to you? Are you going to hide, run, beg, plead, call the police and hope they make it to you in time?

Genuine question because I don't see how being unarmed in your area is a good survival strategy.

Lots of people don't deserve to be punched in the face but it happens, anyway. You don't have to seek trouble for it to find you. Usually, if people do seek trouble, they know how to fight, anyway, or they wouldn't be brave enough to seek trouble in the first place. So, moot point.

He's a closet gun owner. You don't live in MS13's neighbrohood without a gun, what kind of fool do we take this man for? Of course he has a gun or three.

 

[public hermit]

Well, I think you're applying a gross over generalization based on a very limited perspective which I don't share.

I don't know anyone in their right mind who glorifies guns unless they're gang bangers on a cheap music video or below the age of 12.

People who own guns, regardless of religious affiliation, usually only have them for self defense.

If not, refer to sentence above.

I do think much of this new obsession is fear driven, which is not a great look for Christians. I understand taking measures to protect one's self and family. If we keep guns because we're afraid and are willing to kill others to save our own lives, that's a perfectly understandable, human position to take.

I especially understand it when it comes to protecting loved ones, especially those who depend on us. But for ourselves, it's a spiritual weakness.

If we are Christian and our position is that we will kill to save our own life, it should be taken with a certain amount of shame and regret that not only do we live in a violent world but we, too, will resort to violence and killing to save our lives because we are very much attached to this passing world. To boast about one's guns and willingness to kill is unbecoming of a follower of the one who died for sinners, who shunned this passing life for the joy set before him.

American Christians, myself included, are far from being athletes of Christ. And if we're too weak to follow with vigor, and shun violence, then we should at least be honest about it. "I'm attached to this life and will kill for it, regrettably" is an honest, Christian position.

 

[YorkieGal]

@FireDragon76 - I want to make sure that you understand I wasn't diminishing your martial arts experience or martial arts, in general, as a way to score points due to our opposing stances on guns.

I have a genuine disdain for martial arts from my own experience as a blue belt in ju-jitsu. If you know anything about martial arts ranking, as I think you would, you know that a blue belt is not a minor achievement in ju-jitsu and was an especially 'impressive' achievement for a woman.

However, when real life hit the fan, all my training meant nothing. I didn't know how to be alert to danger, how to appropriately react to it or defend myself because all my 'fight' experience was in the dojo.

This is why I now study military survival and Krav.

Apologies if my response re: martial arts came across as vitriolic instead of as a way of expressing my opinion based on my own experience.

 

[YorkieGal]

I do think much of this new obsession is fear driven, which is not a great look for Christians. I understand taking measures to protect one's self and family. If we keep guns because we're afraid and are willing to kill others to save our own lives, that's a perfectly understandable, human position to take.

I especially understand it when it comes to protecting loved ones, especially those who depend on us. But for ourselves, it's a spiritual weakness.

If we are Christian and our position is that we will kill to save our own life, it should be taken with a certain amount of shame and regret that not only do we live in a violent world but we, too, will resort to violence and killing to save our lives because we are very much attached to this passing world. To boast about one's guns and willingness to kill is unbecoming of a follower of the one who died for sinners, who shunned this passing life for the joy set before him.

American Christians, myself included, are far from being athletes of Christ. And if we're too weak to follow with vigor, and shun violence, then we should at least be honest about it. "I'm attached to this life and will kill for it, regrettably" is an honest, Christian position.

I don't believe being Christian means not arming yourself or your family against physical threats from others.

Self defense isn't violence.

I don't shun self defense.

Christian, or otherwise, I'm not sacrificing myself to look noble to a pacifist who would probably throw me under the bus to buy themselves time to run.

 

[Divide]

Added to anti-gun people is the fact they can't fight with their hands, either. So, you have all these couch psychologists telling everyone else the world is beautiful because they never experience anything more scary than their living room wallpaper or their doorbell.

But I guarantee, if something happens, they scream the loudest.

Some of us are just built different. We are pro-active and offensive instead of reliant and defensive.

I have heard that called, White Picket Fence Syndrome.
I was in the mountains one time in Cooado and I was walking on a trail and when I rounded a bend, I startled a Mountain Lion! Yikes, it was about 8 foot away from me and it reared and snarled and showed its teeth like they do and it was a very hair raising situation.

By chance I happened to have a Rifle in my hands. I wasnt hunting, it was my new 10/22 rifle and I was planning to shoot it. I dont walk away from the truck unloaded sowhen that cat roared that rifle lept to my shoulder! I killed it. Such was not my intention at the outset but when a wild Lion is 8 foot away and screaming at you, you gotta do what you gotta do. I didn't eat the cat, I left it there. I didnt even want to try to save the hide which would only maybe get me in trouble somehow.

You mean they've never ran into a Mountain Lion before?! Should I have went into some hand to paw combat with the lion? But it pulled a lot of Assault Teeth on me and I even saw Assault Claws! So we was on even ground and while I am not without a sense of fairness to the animal or criminal I also am not Bruce Lee either. But I can shoot well and have shot enough that it was reflexive in nature and saved my skiiny hide so therin is my white picket fence! If I did not have that rifle, it could have ended a lot different than it did.

No one is taking my right to have tools against the lions, lol. It makes much more sense to take upon myself the responsibility to protect myself and my Family. Not some tra la la it will never happen white picket fence syndrome. Those guys are funny. And I know firedragon owns guns. He hasnt said he doesnt or does but...he does. I'll pray for good chap that he not be deceived by propaganda.

 

[public hermit]

You have to be talking about my loose lips, lol

It's not you; it's a whole culture.

You can believe all of that anti-gun rhetoric from the Leftists all you want to but I promise you that the day will come that you will wish you had a gun

I'm not going to live in fear. I'm certainly not going to fear not having a gun. I'm not going live in fear of being shot. I'm not going to live in fear of suffering and death. This is the great thing about faith in Christ. I don't have to operate from a place of fear unless I choose to.

If they hit us with an EMP and blacks out the country, how will feed your family when the grocery store is not open because it does not have electricity? If looting starts and someone shows up to your house to rob you of your familys food, how will you protect them?

If you're asking me personally, I think a certain amount of prudence is good. I try to prepare for the inevitable hardship but also try not to obsess on a future unknown to me. I also think most folk's daydreams about what they might do in total collapse are useless. If that ever happens, a person should consider themselves dead for the sake of virtue and take each moment as it comes, praying they don't resort to evil just to eat.

 

[FireDragon76]

So it is the southwest. So you are a gun-owner. I thought so.

I'm not in the southwest, no. MS-13 is in lots of cities.

 

[public hermit]

I don't believe being Christian means not arming yourself or your family against physical threats from others.

Self defense isn't violence.

I don't shun self defense.

Christian, or otherwise, I'm not sacrificing myself to look noble to a pacifist who would probably throw me under the bus to buy themselves time to run.

I get it. I think many Christians would agree with you.