Can a person say with honesty, "I am saved", if you do not live a life worthy of your calling as a Christian?
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Can one say with honesty, "I am saved", if you do not live a life worthy of your calling as a Christian?
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If he person has the indwelling Holy Spirit in them, they are saved. You can quench the Spirit and go about sinning, but that does not mean you are lost at that point. If you tire of Deity and no longer want the gifts showered on you, you can give your inheritance away.
We might never live a life worthy of being called "Christ like" (Christian).
We might never live a life worthy of being called "Christ like" (Christian).
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I am not sure how you've answered the question. Is one still a Christian if you live a life that is not Christian?
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All the ones that Christ put on his right and to whom he said, "Come, you that have received a blessing from my Father, take possession of the kingdom which has been prepared for you since the foundation of the world".
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Because your question puts words into my mouth, so to speak. My answer is that those whom Christ says are Blessed by the Father are worthy of their calling. I also point to the 144,000 virgins in Revelation 14, these too are worthy. So, yes, people can live a life worthy of their calling in Christ.
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It's a question, not a statement, so I can hardly see how it would put words in your mouth. Where is this "worthy of their calling" you speak of in the text? I certainly don't see where you're getting that from what you've presented.
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Sorry for the confusion.
I do not believe you bounce back and forth between being saved and lost.
I cannot know for sure if you are lost or saved, but God knows and you can know.
I do think you can go from being saved to being lost.
Let me ask you a question: King David did not take a stroll on his roof wondering what innocent soldier he might kill to stile his wife, but was he doing right by goofing off, when he had lots of Kingly and family responsibilities? Should David had been out leading his army into battle or taking care of his kids and wives?
When you quench the Spirit and start sinning it escalates up. So, tell me this: When during King David’s escalation into adultery and murder, could you have asked King David about his relationship with God and have him say “Lost”?
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I believe that I am saved , period ,
Rom 10:9 and 10 and 13 say so !!
And Rom 6:3 says we were BAPTIZED // BAPRIZO into Christ Jesus were BAPTIZED into his death , so how were we BAPTIZED into his DEATH ?
Notice that the Greek WATER is not used in verse 3 ?
So how then are we BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus , who not has been RESURRECTED and is sitting at the right hand of the Father ?
As Paul is our PATTERN in 1 Tim 1:16 and do you have a PATTERN ?
I am interested how you were saved , PLEASE ?
dan p
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No, of course not. We prove that the Holy Spirit is not indwelling us if we return to serious sin/deeds of the flesh. In that case we've already turned away from Him, despite any profession of so called faith or belief that we're saved.
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Yet there are evangelical Christians who affirm "once saved always saved" which implies that living a godly life is optional.
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Do we have to continue striving for perfection so we no longer have faults and shortcomings, or do we put our trust in Jesus who is perfect for us and covers our imperfections with His pure righteousness. The fact is that all sin is serious and leads to death. A thief is a thief regardless of the value of what he stole. A liar is a liar regardless of whether he told a white lie or a serious one. An adulterer is an adulterer just because he looks at someone with lust. A murderer is one who merely hates another person. And yet we do all these things every day to some degree, and we have to continually confess our sin and ask forgiveness. So, if sinless perfection is the standard of salvation, then we have to ask, "Who then, can be saved?"
But the Scripture says, "By grace I am saved, through faith in Christ, not of myself, but is the gift of God to me; not of works lest any should boast." So, being saved by grace is not due to anything I can do myself. I can't contribute anything to my salvation in Christ, other than to put my trust in His perfection and His death of the Cross to take the penalty for my sin and to give me eternal life. There is nothing I can do to earn my salvation. D Martyn Lloyd-Jones said, "There is no such person as a good Christian. We are all vile people saved by the grace of God."
We lose our salvation not by falling into serious sin, but by rejecting Christ and trusting in one's self to somehow get to heaven.
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You could try both; both trust and obey, for there's no other way, to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.
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Obedience is to the Gospel and not to a set of regulations. If we fully appreciate the love of Christ and seek to walk in that love, we find ourselves walking in the Spirit. Obedience to the Gospel involves love, peace, joy, gentleness, kindness, patience, faithfulness, goodness, and self control. When these attributes shine out through our lives, they show that we are actually walking in obedience to the Gospel.
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What about those who claimed they are saved and later completely abandon the faith?
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A genuinely saved believer will never abandon the faith. Anyone can claim salvation but God knows the hearts.
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That sounds a lot like what I wrote - trust and obey.
Really, the gospel gives Christians every reason to expect to be judged by both what they did and said as well as by what they believed. The gospel is not a message of hope for those who listen and do not obey.
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