Was God's choosing Israel an act of aparteid...

[Carl Emerson]

I am skeptical that he does. I’m not aware that scripture makes that claim.

Jeremiah 1:12
Then the Lord said to me, “You have seen well, for I am watching over My word to perform it.”

 

[iluvatar5150]

Jeremiah 1:12
Then the Lord said to me, “You have seen well, for I am watching over My word to perform it.”

That doesn't remotely justify the claim you made. The passage isn't even about the survival of written scripture - it's trying to assuage Jeremiah's anxieties and reassure him that the Lord will back up what he (Jeremiah) prophecies.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That doesn't remotely justify the claim you made. The passage isn't even about the survival of written scripture - it's trying to assuage Jeremiah's anxieties and reassure him that the Lord will back up what he (Jeremiah) prophecies.

Exactly, He watches over His Word.

 

[ViaCrucis]

In this case we are talking about a terrorist organisation in Government, educating the young to hate Jews.

Hamas is evil. There's simply no disputing that.

That doesn't change the fact that the Israeli government engages in persecution, oppression, discrimination, and segregation in its dealings with Palestinians.

Israel is not the good guy.
Hamas is not the good guy.

There are no good guys here. There're only bad guys and their victims.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hamas is evil. There's simply no disputing that.

That doesn't change the fact that the Israeli government engages in persecution, oppression, discrimination, and segregation in its dealings with Palestinians.

Israel is not the good guy.
Hamas is not the good guy.

There are no good guys here. There're only bad guys and their victims.

-CryptoLutheran

Doesn't that apply to the whole of humanity...

Yet there are levels of Evil and to put Israel and Hamas in the same basket doesnt cut it for me.

 

[Sabertooth]

Was God sinning in choosing one nation over another ?

He had to start somewhere...

 

[Peacemaker1]

Doesn't that apply to the whole of humanity...

Yet there are levels of Evil and to put Israel and Hamas in the same basket doesnt cut it for me.

No feeding your enemies, no loving them, therefore hating them, it is not a different basket, there is a good basket o an evil one. ( belief in Jesus Christ is laying your life down, and is loving those who hate you, and ALL denying Jesus Christ means they are murderers ONLY.


Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[Carl Emerson]

This from the BBC is very relevant to the topic.

 

[Carl Emerson]

No feeding your enemies, no loving them, therefore hating them, it is not a different basket, there is a good basket o an evil one. ( belief in Jesus Christ is laying your life down, and is loving those who hate you, and ALL denying Jesus Christ means they are murderers ONLY.


Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We are not talking about believers verses non-believers

Not all nations are equal in God's sight.

Some are more depraved than others.

 

[Peacemaker1]

We are not talking about believers verses non-believers

Not all nations are equal in God's sight.

Some are more depraved than others.

All non believers, which includes Israel, are of the devil, there is more depraved than that ?



1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

 

[Carl Emerson]

All non believers, which includes Israel, are of the devil, there is more depraved than that ?



1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

We seem to be talking about two different issues here...

Consider this.

The church was taught to render unto Caesar what was Caesar's

This was not considered to be giving money to the Devil.

In fact it was taught that to honour ruling authorities was Godly.

Without God's Grace human societies would collapse.

But some human Governments are more aligned to Godly values than others.

Hamas is like Isis and is, as a Government, one of the more depraved.

Of course no human Government is perfect, but some reflect the love of God more than others.

 

[Peacemaker1]

We seem to be talking about two different issues here...

Consider this.

The church was taught to render unto Caesar what was Caesar's

This was not considered to be giving money to the Devil.

In fact it was taught that to honour ruling authorities was Godly.

Without God's Grace human societies would collapse.

But some human Governments are more aligned to Godly values than others.

Hamas is like Isis and is, as a Government, one of the more depraved.

Of course no human Government is perfect, but some reflect the love of God more than others.

You are of course aware that to show Israel as having anything of goodness whatsoever, is confessing that they are not this:



Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.




All people of Israel that deny Jesus Christ is Lord, have an evil heart of unbelief.




Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Peacemaker1]

It is very wicked of somebody to think that the love of God can be done by anyone who denies Jesus Christ is the love of God.

The love of God is Jesus Christ, all the fulness and without Jesus Christ is emptiness of love.



Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

 

[Peacemaker1]

It is such a pity, Israel has to be told by government organisations to be kind, instead of Israel knowing how to be kind itself.


Kindness is charity, to put on Jesus Christ is to put on charity, to not have Jesus Christ on is to not have any kindness, and only have a hardened heart.



Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

 

[Peacemaker1]

If you want to think we are talking about different issues, that is your choice, but the scriptures I know, and I know faith too, I am here to give a testimony for this time, and this time Israel seems to have denied the faith entirely.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You are of course aware that to show Israel as having anything of goodness whatsoever, is confessing that they are not this:



Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

What you seem to be resistant to acknowledge is 'Common Grace'...

Outside of the Body of Christ - in the world His Love is active.

Even sinners Love those who Love them.

Agape...

This is what Scripture says.

 

[Peacemaker1]

The church was taught to render unto Caesar what was Caesar's

This was not considered to be giving money to the Devil.

In fact it was taught that to honour ruling authorities was Godly.

Without God's Grace human societies would collapse.

But some human Governments are more aligned to Godly values than others.

Hamas is like Isis and is, as a Government, one of the more depraved.

Of course no human Government is perfect, but some reflect the love of God more than others.

The governments keep order, but the governments killed Christ, killed the apostles, because they are not just at all, but some order is better than none, and also, the governments serve as unbelievers, to be avoided observe here:


Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?



If you claim some governments are aligned to Godly values, how do you think you can show unbelieving governments as godly ?

Give your scripture, and why you think they also reflect the love of God, according to scripture, when according to what I have shown, it is against the love of God and against the faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, because we are to OVERCOME THE WORLD as Jesus Christ overcame those governments. ?






John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[Peacemaker1]

What you seem to be resistant to acknowledge is 'Common Grace'...

Outside of the Body of Christ - in the world His Love is active.

Even sinners Love those who Love them.

Agape...

This is what Scripture says.

Sinners love sinners, which is evil people do the same ( evil) to evil people.


Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

 

[Peacemaker1]

What you seem to be resistant to acknowledge is 'Common Grace'...

Outside of the Body of Christ - in the world His Love is active.

Even sinners Love those who Love them.

Agape...

This is what Scripture says.

You have interpreted loving sinners, as good, but sinners cannot do good, they can only do evil, as told.



Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You have interpreted loving sinners, as good, but sinners cannot do good, they can only do evil, as told.



Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

How do you then account for the verse which clearly says that even sinners Agape those who Agape them ???