FBI Knew New York Post’s Hunter Biden Laptop Story Was Real Ahead Of 2020 Election, FBI Form Shows

[Ana the Ist]

How do you know the FBI found it "credible" when the person telling them the story didn't find it "credible" and told the FBI that.

The FD-1023 form, dated June 30, 2020, is the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top Burisma executive over the course of several years, starting in 2015. Fox News Digital has not seen the form, but it was described by several sources who are aware of its contents

"Highly credible" here is in quotes because the FBI FINDS THEM HIGHLY CREDIBLE.

I mean good grief....I told you to read it slowly. That's not an editorial or the author's opinion. It's the FBI's opinion.

Again, the question you keep avoiding, what evidence is there of a crime on the laptop?

Do you understand the allegations made by the informant?

Odd, I don't recall that.

I'm shocked. What part of the Durham report do you need me to quote to you?

Perhaps you are talking about the investigations in the Republican controlled House and/or Senate into Russian collusion -- though I seem to recall that Rep. Nunes not only didn't focus the House investigation on Trump but actually coordinated his investigation with the Trump White House.

Nope. Not talking about that. Talking about the FBI led investigation that ended in the Mueller report.

So while I keep hearing claims of Trump being investigated for 3 years over "Russian collusion" (which has no legal meaning, so was not any type of actual investigation), I find no evidence this occurred.

There this guy named Mueller...

Ever heard of him?

I'm not going to claim that no investigation of Trump occurred but it was extremely limited. It is also worth noting that multiple workers on Trump's campaign did end up pleading guilty based on the information found during the Mueller investigation.

Good lord...

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses.

www.google.com

So this took two years....and it's a continuation of the probe that lasted a year or so under Comey that started during the 2016 campaign. The 3 year (I'm rounding) hunt to find anything possible on Trump that appears to be continuing.

That's nice. I also recall the person actually reported by the Australian diplomat ended up making a plea deal. Perhaps that is why they took him seriously, because he made claims that they could easily verify.

Or since he wasn't working for Trump anymore....he told the FBI whatever they wanted. Who cares? He couldn't verify any crimes committed by Trump.

DOJ: Two warrants letting FBI spy on ex-Trump aide Page were not valid

The DOJ now believes it didn't have probable cause to think Carter Page might be acting as an agent of a foreign power, which was required to surveil him.

www.google.com

Of course, that's just his aide, the Durham report explains a lot more.

Again, they never obtained FISA warrants to monitor Trump, though they did with a couple of individuals that worked on his campaign. As such, legally they could not use or even read/listen to anything that was not either to or from those they had the FISA warrants for.

Right....they listened to Carter but when Donald called....they turned off their wire taps lol.

For all Durham's many theories he never presented actual evidence for any of them, much less any convictions based on those theories.

He wasn't going for convictions. He was looking to see if the FBI followed their own policies and procedures.

They didn't, by their own admissions.

Durham report finds FBI "failed to uphold its mission" in handling of Trump-Russia probe

The release of special counsel John Durham's report on the origins of the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election comes four years after he began his probe.

www.cbsnews.com

Neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," the special counsel found.
Durham said there was "significant reliance on investigative leads" provided or funded by Trump's opponents.

Golly....it's as if that 3 year investigation was based on nothing at all.

They certainly didn't have...

1. An unqualified son receiving millions from foreign gas oligarchs.
2. The president meeting those oligarchs.
3. Emails and various communications describing how much money should go to the President aka the big guy.
4. A highly credible FBI informant worth 200k giving depositions about bribes the president was paid by those same oligarchs.

I seem to recall *snip*

I read the report so any part of it that you think I'm making up....just say so and I'll quote it directly for you.

So, tell me, what exactly has the FBI done in their investigation of Biden, since you allegedly have all the information?

Other than lie about the 1023? Other than help hide the existence of the laptop and spread disinformation on social media about it being a "Russian hoax"? Other than punish whistleblowers within their own ranks?

Not much.

The fact is, for all you know, they did investigate the claims.

If they did...and they cleared Biden.....they would have said so in the 3 dozen or so times they were called to testify before Congress lol.

Instead, they just claim the investigation is "ongoing" and don't comment....unless it's to lie about the existence of 1023 forms of course.

We know, based on various interviews, that Zlochevsky (that had to be the person that told the story to the confidential informant, based on the details in the story) has firmly denied the story.

He denies bribing the President? I'm shocked. I wonder why he wouldn't admit to an international crime....

Did you think before you wrote that sentence?

We have zero evidence of that $5 million ever going to any Biden bank account (and there should have been automatic bank reports to the government for that amount of money being wired into accounts in the US -- like all the other reports you complain that were generated by Hunter Biden's businesses).

Well the Ways and Means Committee seems pretty confident they have it.

And the claims of the tapes made no sense at all,

To some people....sure.

Instead, logic says the FBI attempted to investigate and could not verify any portion of the story -- as what I showed seems to confirm.

You didn't show anything. What do you think you showed?

This story, even if not investigated by the FBI, has now been investigated by Giuliani (back in 2020 when he was working in Ukraine and dug up this story)

They were prevented from investigating due to impeachment.

and any number of reporters trying to be the one to break the story on Biden corruption -- yet what I posted above is all any of them have found.

Literally every news source in the US except for the New York Post tried to cover up or stalled on confirmation of the laptop and its contents. Most of them said the same lies (and we know it wasn't Russian disinformation) the FBI was selling....a full year after they knew the laptop was real.

You really think reporters are trying to crack this story?

And this doesn't even address the heavy lifting "big guy" is doing. How many people have you known that people refer to as "the big guy" in your lifetime?

Zero. Unless you count Joe Biden. I've heard it used colloquially like "Hey big guy..." but I've never known anyone consistently referred to that way.

Ever.

I have to say, I've known a lot of them,

Who cares?

from just a person or two I knew in the military to people who referred to a CEO of a company by that term.

My uncle was a CEO and I call him Jack. My coworkers include former scout snipers and rangers....not a single "big guy" amongst them.

Yet because it was used in an email

43 emails in Hunter's laptop. 43.

Let's not pretend it's once or twice.

claims it refers to Joe Biden, because it is used in an FBI form on an email you've decided both corroborate the other. Instead, it is just as likely that the author didn't actually mean Joe Biden (as he claims) and the other just thought it sounded like a good translation of what he heard from the story in Ukraine (which may actually not have been "big guy" but some other Ukrainian word that has no real English equivalent).

That's wild. You think the FBI doesn't have anyone who can translate Ukrainian?

And if he released his bank records, you'd believe him then, right?

Yes.

You wouldn't state that he is hiding some offshore account or he was paid in cash and has the money hidden in his house?

That would be accessible through his records. He's the President. Do you think some Swiss bank or some offshore Panama account is going to say "sorry Mr President but we don't want to release your information to your government."?

It is interesting that Biden has issued his tax returns (something Trump never did), as is "tradition" for modern Presidents to do yet that isn't evidence enough for you -- you have to see his bank records

Yeah but tax returns aren't everything.

. Why should Biden believe you and others who make these claims of corruption against him would suddenly drop those claims if he released his bank records?

One might think that if....

1. He was facing impeachment.

And...

2. A vast number of people who have paid more attention to this than you have think he's dirty.

And....

3. He's trying to get reelected.


Then its certainly in his best interests, isn't it?

Odd how you've been provided any number of actual first hand accounts about the firing of Shokin -- from the Obama administration, from allies, from Ukraine, etc.

You haven't provided a single firsthand account. I'm not even sure you understand what "firsthand" means at this point.

I've even provided (I believe in response to you) the account of the investigation by a Senate Committee specifically investigating Biden corruption who confirmed that Biden was acting on orders in the firing of Shokin. Instead, rather than believe all of those stories, you somehow think the person who all these people have accused of corruption, Shokin, is actually more believable than Senate Republicans, the Obama Administration, those in Ukraine's government, etc. I suspect your believe in Shokin tends to be based in what you want to be true and not actual truth.

As I've already stated. It doesn't matter if the State Department wasn't coerced and it was official policy. Biden can't accept money for it. That's still a bribe. I work for the federal government....I can't even accept a gift over 50 dollars in a calendar year from my coworkers, forget the public. If a foreign entity handed me a 100$ bill for doing my job....I could lose my job and face prison time.

This is a firsthand account BTW.

Do you have any of those?

 

[KCfromNC]

More evidence emerges Biden gang was lying about his document scandal.

Seems off topic in a thread about the lack of evidence of / from an alleged laptop supposedly owned by a different person.

 

[BPPLEE]

Seems off topic in a thread about the lack of evidence of / from an alleged laptop supposedly owned by a different person.

That’s not a correct description of the subject of this thread and nothing has been said about all the off topic posts preceding mine.

 

[The Barbarian]

We have all these emails linking Biden to corruption, bank transactions, a crackhead son galavanting overseas for foreign oligarchs playing bagman for his dad...

But you can't show us any evidence? I realize you're doing the best you can with what you have to work with but it's not working for you.

Even Poroshenko now admits that Shokin was corrupt and should have been dismissed.

Trump and his allies, including his personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, accuse Biden of using his position as vice president and point man on relations with Kyiv in 2016 to help Burisma -- a Ukrainian energy company that was paying Biden's son Hunter, who was on its board of directors -- avoid damage from a criminal investigation.

They assert that Shokin was overseeing an active criminal investigation into Burisma and that Biden at the time told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that the United States would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.

But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.

Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.

'Burisma Case'
Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Kyiv-based Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), told RFE/RL that Shokin "dumped important criminal investigations on corruption associated with [former President Viktor] Yanukovych, including the Burisma case."

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

U.S. President Donald Trump asserts that Joe Biden pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s chief prosecutor to quash a probe into a Burisma, a gas company with Biden's son on its board. Officials and anti-corruption activists in Kyiv say Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin had shelved the case long...

www.rferl.org

It's been out for a long time, now.

 

[The Barbarian]

Seems off topic in a thread about the lack of evidence of / from an alleged laptop supposedly owned by a different person.

When you don't have anything else, I guess it looks like a straw to grasp at.

 

[The Barbarian]

This thread is not about Trump.

It's not about Joe Biden, either. Republicans are getting desperate.

 

[The Barbarian]

Why do you think they have told the public that Biden hasn't taken any money from foreign entities during his time as VP?

So far as I have seen, they simply admitted that they had no evidence that he did. This is what has the House republicans fighting a civil war over whether to continue the farce or admit the fact, as Matt Gaetz seems to have done recently.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Nah. It's a fact.

Not at all, actually. But it is the talking point a certain faction has been instructed to parrot.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a clean up. To say it nicely, knock it off with the flaming. It will only lead to thread bans or more. ​

 

[USincognito]

Not at all, actually. But it is the talking point a certain faction has been instructed to parrot.

My irony meter explodeth.

In reality conservatives have been instructed that the laptop would have surged Donald ahead in the polls and he would have won the election, but the FBI, social media and the Biden campaign colluded to censor and hide any reporting on the totally legitimate and really does exist laptop because they're corrupt and they hate Donald. Conservatives are still dutifully parroting that even in this thread.

The story goes that Rudy had his copy of the data in April of 2000 though Lev Parnas says he actually had some of the hacked photos as early as 2019. He waited until October 2020 to shop it to news outlets because he wanted to have maximum impact on the election. It literally was supposed to be an October Surprise.

 

[BPPLEE]

My irony meter explodeth.

In reality conservatives have been instructed that the laptop would have surged Donald ahead in the polls and he would have won the election, but the FBI, social media and the Biden campaign colluded to censor and hide any reporting on the totally legitimate and really does exist laptop because they're corrupt and they hate Donald. Conservatives are still dutifully parroting that even in this thread.

The story goes that Rudy had his copy of the data in April of 2000 though Lev Parnas says he actually had some of the hacked photos as early as 2019. He waited until October 2020 to shop it to news outlets because he wanted to have maximum impact on the election. It literally was supposed to be an October Surprise.

Rudy waited 20 years to release what was on the laptop? From April of 2000 to October 2020. That sounds like misinformation

 

[The Barbarian]

The story goes that Rudy had his copy of the data in April of 2000 though Lev Parnas says he actually had some of the hacked photos as early as 2019. He waited until October 2020 to shop it to news outlets because he wanted to have maximum impact on the election. It literally was supposed to be an October Surprise.

Rudy waited 20 years to release what was on the laptop? From April of 2000 to October 2020. That sounds like misinformation

Typo flame. Haven't seen one of those in years. Well done.

 

[BPPLEE]

Typo flame. Haven't seen one of those in years. Well done.

Liberal tag team. Very common.

 

[The Barbarian]

Liberal tag team. Very common.

It's a joke. I used to do that kind of thing, too. Typo flames are fun.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

My irony meter explodeth.

In reality conservatives have been instructed that the laptop would have surged Donald ahead in the polls and he would have won the election, but the FBI, social media and the Biden campaign colluded to censor and hide any reporting on the totally legitimate and really does exist laptop because they're corrupt and they hate Donald. Conservatives are still dutifully parroting that even in this thread.

The story goes that Rudy had his copy of the data in April of 2000 though Lev Parnas says he actually had some of the hacked photos as early as 2019. He waited until October 2020 to shop it to news outlets because he wanted to have maximum impact on the election. It literally was supposed to be an October Surprise.

I don't know anyone who was saying that the laptop exposure of the story that was killed by WAPO would or would not have definitely turned the election for sure. Who knows? But the information was relevant and should not have been suppressed. That's the relevant part. Yet the control freaks had to suppress it and lie about it, screaming "Russian disinformation" when it actually wasn't.

I don't listen to or read any particular outlets with allegiance, as I routinely scroll through several. But everyone knows the laptop story was suppressed and discredited without basis because it was unfavorable to Biden.

Reality:
In October 2020, the New York Post published a story about emails contained in Hunter Biden's alleged laptop about questionable business dealings abroad.

The media establishment immediately jumped to "Russian disinformation." Major social media platforms censored the story, preventing its users from sharing. Former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey would later apologize for this, calling it a "total mistake."



CNN: Former Twitter executives acknowledged to lawmakers Wednesday that the social media company erred when it temporarily suppressed a New York Post story regarding Hunter Biden’s laptop in October 2020, but the officials emphasized there was no government involvement in the decision.

The relevant part of your article just comes do who is more believable. The store owner or Parnas, who has been indicted for bribery?
"John Paul Mac Isaac (store owner): An unknown man dropped off three damaged laptops at his store in April 2019, then did not return to claim them. Isaac surmised the laptops belonged to Hunter Biden, but he could not reach him to return the devices. So he made copies of the hard drives and shared them with an attorney for Giuliani, according to accounts he gave the New York Post and other news outlets. He also at some point engaged with the FBI, though he has given conflicting accounts of whether he first contacted the bureau or vice versa."

At any rate, what we do know is that the major media circled the wagons to discredit this story as long as possible before Biden himself admitted that it was his laptop.

My irony meter was overloaded long ago with this spectacular mess running things.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yet the control freaks had to suppress it and lie about it, screaming "Russian disinformation" when it actually wasn't.

Initially, it was suspected, but given the way the whole presentation was botched, with stuff clumsily added and removed, it looks more like some Trump underling was responsible:
Many commentators have speculated that the material could have been hacked from Hunter Biden's accounts and put on the laptop as a cover story to offer a plausible explanation of how the material became public.

Frank Figliuzzi, an NBC News contributor and former FBI counterintelligence chief, said it's possible the laptop was the product of a political dirty trick by domestic actors.

"We have to be careful about saying this is absolutely a Russian operation, because there's a sloppiness here that almost seems too sloppy for Russian intelligence," he said.

Ratcliffe says no proof, but FBI probing foreign tie to "Biden" laptop

Frank Figliuzzi, a former FBI counterintelligence chief, said it's possible the laptop was the product of a political dirty trick by domestic actors.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BPPLEE]

Initially, it was suspected, but given the way the whole presentation was botched, with stuff clumsily added and removed, it looks more like some Trump underling was responsible:
Many commentators have speculated that the material could have been hacked from Hunter Biden's accounts and put on the laptop as a cover story to offer a plausible explanation of how the material became public.

Frank Figliuzzi, an NBC News contributor and former FBI counterintelligence chief, said it's possible the laptop was the product of a political dirty trick by domestic actors.

"We have to be careful about saying this is absolutely a Russian operation, because there's a sloppiness here that almost seems too sloppy for Russian intelligence," he said.

Ratcliffe says no proof, but FBI probing foreign tie to "Biden" laptop

Frank Figliuzzi, a former FBI counterintelligence chief, said it's possible the laptop was the product of a political dirty trick by domestic actors.

www.nbcnews.com

It’s possible. Anything is possible. They should know by now.

 

[The Barbarian]

It’s possible. Anything is possible. They should know by now.

Maybe so. But one does expect Putin's guys to come up with something better than the laptop fiasco.

 

[The Barbarian]

At any rate, what we do know is that the major media circled the wagons to discredit this story as long as possible before Biden himself admitted that it was his laptop.

I checked that. CNN had over a hundred different cites online about it. And I just lost interest in counting after that. But that seems the very antithesis of "the major media circling the wagons to discredit the story."

BTW, can you succinctly tell us what on it shows that Joe Biden committed a crime?

Neither can anyone else. As one intelligence source put it, you wouldn't expect something this sloppy from the Russians.

 

[BPPLEE]

Maybe so. But one does expect Putin's guys to come up with something better than the laptop fiasco.

Take that up with those 50 former intelligence officials who are supposed to be experts.