FBI Knew New York Post’s Hunter Biden Laptop Story Was Real Ahead Of 2020 Election, FBI Form Shows

[The Barbarian]

Huh....a person familiar with the discussions between the FBI and secret service has been leaking info to the leftwing propaganda outlets.

Like Fox News? Seriously?

I wonder who that could be?

Someone with contacts in the various news media, I suppose. I don't think it's a scandal that Federal agencies cooperate in cases of criminal activity. Why would anyone?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Turns out the EU, President Obama, and other officials had been pressuring Ukraine to fire him for his corruption:

It wouldn't matter if the entire world wanted Shokin fired....taking money to do it is a crime.

Former Ukrainian president says Biden never pressed him on Burisma ​

‘My absolutely clear answer: no, never,’ Petro Poroshenko told

We know this is a lie because of Joe Biden's own words.

Join us in the year 2023, where everyone has seen Joe Biden brag about pressuring Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin when they didn't want to.

It's not even a point of dispute. Joe Biden said it himself.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Like Fox News? Seriously?

That was CNN.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The whole "b-b-b-ut the EU and all these other countries wanted Shokin fired too!"

Is the argument equivalent of "b-b-b-ut Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines!"

People are too dumb to realize these things have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a crime occurred.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's probably a bit of overkill; people would immediately realize it was a political hack job. The difference between Biden, Pence, and Trump is that Biden and Pence reported the documents themselves when they realized they had them. Trump was caught holding them, and then lied repeatedly about how many he had, and even told investigators he returned all of them, while knowing that he still had many other classified documents.

This thread is not about Trump.

 

[The Barbarian]

The whole "b-b-b-ut the EU and all these other countries wanted Shokin fired too!"

Which only means that Biden's motivation was based on the corruption of this prosecutor (who ironically was slow-walking the Burisma investigation, which completely discredits the conspiracy theory hatched by republicans).

But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.

Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.

'Burisma Case'

Daria Kaleniuk, executive director of the Kyiv-based Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), told RFE/RL that Shokin "dumped important criminal investigations on corruption associated with [former President Viktor] Yanukovych, including the Burisma case."
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"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told Bloomberg News in May. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.

Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.
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"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

U.S. President Donald Trump asserts that Joe Biden pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s chief prosecutor to quash a probe into a Burisma, a gas company with Biden's son on its board. Officials and anti-corruption activists in Kyiv say Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin had shelved the case long...

www.rferl.org

Is the argument equivalent of "b-b-b-ut Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines!"

See above. Good luck with peddling that excuse.

People are too dumb to realize these things have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a crime occurred.

Republicans are hoping so. But probably not enough of them.

 

[The Barbarian]

Join us in the year 2023, where everyone has seen Joe Biden brag about pressuring Ukrainian officials to fire Shokin when they didn't want to.

It's not even a point of dispute. Joe Biden said it himself.

Well, show us where he pressured Poroshenko. What do you have?

 

[The Barbarian]

Like Fox News? Seriously?

That was CNN.

Fox News got the leak, and broadcast it.

Details of foreign country's nuclear capabilities among documents FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago: report

Information included in the documents the FBI seized in a raid of Mar-a-Lago contained a descirption of a foreign country's nuclear capabilities, the Washington Post reported.

www.foxnews.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

More evidence emerges Biden gang was lying about his document scandal.

This thread is about Hunter Biden. Try to stay on topic.

 

[BPPLEE]

This thread is about Hunter Biden. Try to stay on topic.

You need to remind some other people. It’s been about everything but Hunter

 

[Ana the Ist]

Like Fox News? Seriously?

Fox News got the leak, and broadcast it.

Details of foreign country's nuclear capabilities among documents FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago: report

Information included in the documents the FBI seized in a raid of Mar-a-Lago contained a descirption of a foreign country's nuclear capabilities, the Washington Post reported.

www.foxnews.com

Geez....first paragraph

Documents the FBI seized in its raid of former President Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago included information about a foreign country's nuclear capabilities, the Washington Post has reported.

WaPo is left wing propaganda.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Which only means that Biden's motivation was based on the corruption of this prosecutor (who ironically was slow-walking the Burisma investigation, which completely discredits the conspiracy theory hatched by republicans).

Evidence? He was on the case 1 year and had won several rulings against Burisma.

We also know the State Department thought he was doing a great job and making significant progress (their words) about 2 months before Biden's visit.

We also know Burisma lawyers apologized to Ukrainian officials for lying about Shokin.

What evidence do you have Shokin was corrupt?

 

[The Barbarian]

Evidence? He was on the case 1 year and had won several rulings against Burisma.

We also know the State Department thought he was doing a great job and making significant progress (their words) about 2 months before Biden's visit.

We also know Burisma lawyers apologized to Ukrainian officials for lying about Shokin.

What evidence do you have Shokin was corrupt?

From a Russian POV, Shokin was not corrupt. But from a western POV, he was a seriously corrupt official.

David Sakvarelidze was five months into a new job as Ukraine’s reformist deputy chief prosecutor when a witness came forward with intelligence that would change the course of everything.

The witness, a sand producer in the Kiev region, complained of men extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars. It took a while to persuade the man to give evidence. But when he did, and the investigation began, the trail led to two of the country’s highest-placed prosecutors.

A search of the men’s apartments revealed a scene that looked like a comic heist: bags full of cash, diamonds and other precious stones. But that was not the only incriminating evidence. Documents seized at the time indicated the men appeared to have a connection to the top prosecutor in the land, Viktor Shokin.

Police found copies of Shokin’s passports, property registration certificates and even his licence to carry firearms. One of the two men, it transpired, was Shokin’s former driver who had subsequently climbed the ranks behind his boss.

For Sakvarelidze, there were clear suspicions the two men may have been carrying out the business of the chief. But his attempts to investigate were frustrated. Soon, he faced a corruption investigation himself. At loggerheads with Shokin, he was pushed out of his job within the year.

The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal

Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

www.independent.co.uk

This might seem perfectly O.K. to you, but in the US or the EU, it's considered extremely corrupt.

 

[The Barbarian]

WaPo is left wing propaganda.

So says Putin and Trump. But of course, the story is true, as you learned earlier.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The witness, a sand producer in the Kiev region, complained of men extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars.

A witness.

So no evidence? Just a nameless person telling a story?


We have all these emails linking Biden to corruption, bank transactions, a crackhead son galavanting overseas for foreign oligarchs playing bagman for his dad...


And you're sure Shokin was corrupt based on an anonymous story.

What was Shokin charged with? Nothing?

This might seem perfectly O.K. to you, but in the US or the EU, it's considered extremely corrupt.

Only when they need to cover their own corruption.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So says Putin and Trump. But of course, the story is true, as you learned earlier.

I was pointing out to @SimplyMe that the FBI leaks stories all the time. Thanks for helping....


Why do you think they have told the public that Biden hasn't taken any money from foreign entities during his time as VP?

 

[SimplyMe]

A witness.

So no evidence? Just a nameless person telling a story?


We have all these emails linking Biden to corruption, bank transactions, a crackhead son galavanting overseas for foreign oligarchs playing bagman for his dad...


And you're sure Shokin was corrupt based on an anonymous story.

What was Shokin charged with? Nothing?





Only when they need to cover their own corruption.

At least that is a first hand account from a "witness," as opposed to your claims of Biden getting millions for firing Shokin that is based solely on a second-hand account from an FBI informant who, when reporting the story, had no reason to believe the story was actually true.

Odd how you have no issue believing a second-hand account, where the witness says he can't vouch for the credibility of the story he was told, but object to a first-hand account from a witness. Double standard much?

 

[SimplyMe]

I was pointing out to @SimplyMe that the FBI leaks stories all the time. Thanks for helping....


Why do you think they have told the public that Biden hasn't taken any money from foreign entities during his time as VP?

Again, I didn't try to disagree with your FBI leak claim, instead I posted a different example of a leak from the FBI. What I didn't necessarily agree with was your claim of some type of double standard -- unless your claim is that Democratic "candidates" are being treated worse than Republican ones when it comes to FBI leaks and statements.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Again, I didn't try to disagree with your FBI leak claim, instead I posted a different example of a leak from the FBI. What I didn't necessarily agree with was your claim of some type of double standard -- unless your claim is that Democratic "candidates" are being treated worse than Republican ones when it comes to FBI leaks and statements.

Are aware that the FBI initially lied about having the 1023 at all?

That's a fun conversation....

Wray "We don't have any allegations about Biden being corrupt."

Grassley "I've read the 1023."

Wray "Ohhhhh....those allegations of corruption. Yeah, they exist."

And here we are....many months later....before the FBI shares those allegations against Biden.

Well this is simple right? Biden is the head of the federal government. He can just release his bank records or tell the FBI to conduct a full investigation into his family's dealings and clear it all up....right?

 

[Ana the Ist]

At least that is a first hand account from a "witness,"

If it were the "witness" (if such a person exists) telling us the story and not some other person.....then it's a firsthand account.

It's not though....it's a rumor. We don't even have a document of any kind regarding this "witness'" words.

What did they charge Shokin with once they uncovered all this alleged corruption?


Because we do have a firsthand account....from Shokin.