FBI Knew New York Post’s Hunter Biden Laptop Story Was Real Ahead Of 2020 Election, FBI Form Shows

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Bribery for what? At the time, Joe Biden was a private citizen and held no government office; so what bribery?

At the time Joe was VP.

Probably because the FBI essentially never comes forward to say that anyone is innocent or what their investigation has found (short of the evidence being part of an indictment, such as Trump's indictments).

Right....so one standard for one president, another standard for the other.

That's why people say the federal government has been weaponized.

Wanna count how many times information about an investigation done by the FBI was leaked to the public?
 
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Did what, exactly?
Is there a “crime” yet?
That is what the investigations are going to determine.

How many times does it need to be repeated? There is evidence, lots of it that they are looking at.
 
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At the time Joe was VP.



Right....so one standard for one president, another standard for the other.

That's why people say the federal government has been weaponized.

Wanna count how many times information about an investigation done by the FBI was leaked to the public?

No, Joe was not VP in 2017, other than about three weeks.

And the main time I can think of leaks of an investigation -- to the point of the FBI officially commenting -- was in October of 2016 when Hillary was running for President. Not sure how that makes it a double standard, though.
 
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Problem is, law enforcement needs evidence to justify rummaging around in people's personal papers. It's that darned Bill of Rights, again. In other words, Biden isn't interested in "clearing his name" since because only dim-witted people would believe he had anything to hide without any evidence to support that belief. I don't think that one is in the Russian Constitution.

We have plenty of bank records that show that the Biden family was in cahoots with Chinese business people that were, in turn, connected to the Communist party," Johnson said.
How unfortunate that Johnson was unable to show us any of that. Perhaps he was thinking about the Trump family financial connections to the government of China. Would you like me to show you those, and we could see if Johnson was talking about any of that?

I'd say you could at least make it harder for our government to be corrupt
We did that in 2020. Meantime, Even some of the republicans are starting to get worried about the faked "investigations."

At an invitation-only fundraiser held over Zoom last week, Gaetz, R-Fla., and Rosendale, who is said to be plotting another Senate run next year, heaped skepticism on the probe. “I don’t believe that we are endeavoring upon a legitimate impeachment of Joe Biden,” Gaetz told Steve Bannon, a podcaster and onetime political adviser to former President Donald Trump, who was moderating the discussion. “They’re trying to engage in a, like, ‘forever war’ of impeachment,” Gaetz said. “And like many of our forever wars, it will drag on forever and end in a bloody draw.”
 
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Typically there's at least some idea of what someone did wrong before calling for an investigation. That seems to be missing here.
C'mon. How can we know if there's any evidence, to justify an investigation, if we don't do an investigation?
 
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Took money for firing a prosecutor for one.

That's a crime.
Would be. But as you learned earlier, even the pro-Russian Ukrainian leader admits it didn't happen. Would you like to see that, again?
 
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C'mon. How can we know if there's any evidence, to justify an investigation, if we don't do an investigation?
Apparently you don’t understand the difference in probable cause and evidence
 
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Apparently you don’t understand the difference in probable cause and evidence
There is no universally accepted definition or formulation for probable cause. One traditional definition, which comes from the U.S. Supreme Court's 1964 decision Beck v. Ohio, is when "whether at [the moment of arrest] the facts and circumstances within [an officer's] knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information [are] sufficient to warrant a prudent [person] in believing that [a suspect] had committed or was committing an offense."

Probable cause requires "facts." Which is the e-word republicans are so unhappy with.
EVIDENCE Republicans are saying that they need to do an investigation to get the "facts and circumstances" that they need to do an investigation.
 
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There is no universally accepted definition or formulation for probable cause. One traditional definition, which comes from the U.S. Supreme Court's 1964 decision Beck v. Ohio, is when "whether at [the moment of arrest] the facts and circumstances within [an officer's] knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information [are] sufficient to warrant a prudent [person] in believing that [a suspect] had committed or was committing an offense."

Probable cause requires "facts." Which is the e-word republicans are so unhappy with.
EVIDENCE Republicans are saying that they need to do an investigation to get the "facts and circumstances" that they need to do an investigation.
That’s for making an arrest. They are just doing an inquiry
 
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That’s for making an arrest.
So you're saying there's not probable cause indicating a crime.
They are just doing an inquiry
That would be "reasonable suspicion" which would permit a stop but not a search or even identification of a person. Absent probable cause, police can't even require you to show your ID, much less your financial records.

Reasonable suspicion has been defined by the United States Supreme Court as "the sort of common-sense conclusion about human behavior upon which practical people . . . are entitled to rely." Further, it has defined reasonable suspicion as requiring only something more than an "unarticulated hunch." It requires facts or circumstances that give rise to more than a bare, imaginary, or purely conjectural suspicion.

And we're back to the evidence problem again. It's that Bill of Rights thing.
 
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Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm less than a year before the elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company, according to emails obtained by The Post.
Turns out the EU, President Obama, and other officials had been pressuring Ukraine to fire him for his corruption:

Former Ukrainian president says Biden never pressed him on Burisma

‘My absolutely clear answer: no, never,’ Petro Poroshenko told CNN.

WASHINGTON — Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko denied Sunday that former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden ever approached him about Burisma Holdings, a gas company Biden’s son Hunter was a board member of.

“My absolutely clear answer: no, never,” Poroshenko told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria on “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” “But I also cannot accept that, neither President Obama nor President Biden — Vice President Biden, nor President Trump, nor Vice President Pence never press[ed] me.”

Poroshenko became president of Ukraine in 2014, the same year that Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma, a gas company based in Kyiv. At the time, Vice President Biden was working with the others in the Obama administration to help reform policy and root out corruption in Ukraine. Hunter Biden served on the board until early 2019.

U.S. President Donald Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani have claimed, without corroborating evidence, that when he was vice president, Joe Biden inappropriately pressured Ukraine to remove a prosecutor who had launched an investigation into Burisma in order to protect his son.

Trump’s legal team and Republican allies in Congress have opened probes into the alleged interference. Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) told reporters in early March that he is likely to release an interim report within one to two months.


It is, however, true that former president Trump improperly pressured Ukraine to say that Biden did do something like that. That corrupt pressure is part of the reason Trump was impeached:

The newly released transcript does not show any direct quid pro quo, but it does show that Trump wanted Zelensky to speak with Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr about a possible investigation into the Bidens. The Justice Department distanced itself from that on Wednesday.

"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair," Trump told Zelensky. "A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved."

Trump also said that "there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great."

Trump told Ukraine's president that "Rudy very much knows what's happening" and said "if you could speak to him that would be great."


White House confirms it tied Ukraine aid to help in pursuing conspiracy theory on DNC hack

Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that President Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine until it looked into the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukrainian nationals were in possession of a computer server belonging to the Democratic National Committee.
 
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Marie Yovanovitch testified that former Vice President Joe Biden's push to remove Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was in line with the policy of the U.S. and other countries.

Ms. Yovanovitch said that removing Mr. Shokin from his job as the top prosecutor in Ukraine was "official U.S. policy," as well as the policy of many international stakeholders.

The push to remove Mr. Shokin is at the heart of an unproven allegation from Mr. Trump and his allies that Mr. Biden took official actions to benefit a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, where his son Hunter was a board member.

But Ms. Yovanovitch said that Mr. Shokin's removal may have facilitated investigations of companies like Burisma, rather than hindered it.
That's broadly in line with what The Wall Street Journal has reported. The newspaper has reported Mr. Biden had called for the ouster of Mr. Shokin because he and others thought that the prosecutor wasn’t aggressive enough — and that Mr. Shokin was in fact slow-walking an investigation into Ukraine.

 
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Why are we still having to correct people about the removal of Shokin in Oct 2023?
For the same reason there have been multiple threads stating Hilary wants to deprogram all Trump supporters and put them in camps. Fiction often has more appeal than reality.
 
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Congress is just doing bad political theater.
More evidence emerges Biden gang was lying about his document scandal. “The Committee on Oversight and Accountability is investigating President Biden’s mishandling of highly classified documents. The Committee has obtained information that contradicts important details from the White House’s and President Biden’s personal attorney’s statements about the discovery of documents at Penn Biden Center, including the location and security of the classified documents. The Committee has also learned that one of your predecessors as White House Counsel, Ms. Dana Remus, and other White House employees were central figures in the early stages of coordinating the organizing, moving, and removing of boxes that were later found to contain classified materials,” wrote Chairman Comer. In January 2023, President Biden’s personal attorney, Bob Bauer, released a statement that included a timeline of events that began on November 2, 2022, with the unexpected discovery of Obama-Biden records at Penn Biden Center. The House Oversight Committee has learned, however, that the real timeline began in 2021. President Biden used significant federal resources, including five White House employees and a Department of Defense employee, to access and secure items at the Penn Biden Center. President Biden’s timeline was incomplete and misleading. It omitted months of communications, planning, and coordinating among multiple White House officials, Ms. [Kathy] Chung, Penn Biden Center employees, and President Biden’s personal attorneys to retrieve the boxes containing classified materials. The timeline also omitted multiple visits from at least five White House employees, including Dana Remus, Anthony Bernal, Ashley Williams, Annie Tomasini, and an unknown staffer. There is no reasonable explanation as to why this many White House employees and lawyers were so concerned with retrieving boxes they believed only contained personal documents and materials,” continued Chairman Comer. “The Committee believes the White House can provide important insight regarding the discrepancies between the official accounts released by the White House and President Biden’s attorney, and the explanations we have received through multiple transcribed interviews regarding the classified documents.” https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WH-Classified-Documents-10.11.23_Final.pdf
 
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More evidence emerges Biden gang was lying about his document scandal.
That's probably a bit of overkill; people would immediately realize it was a political hack job. The difference between Biden, Pence, and Trump is that Biden and Pence reported the documents themselves when they realized they had them. Trump was caught holding them, and then lied repeatedly about how many he had, and even told investigators he returned all of them, while knowing that he still had many other classified documents.
 
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Why are we still having to correct people about the removal of Shokin in Oct 2023?
There are still people claiming Trump won in 2020, insisting that Obama was born in Kenya, that Trump never raped that woman, etc. The cult is very resistant to facts and reality.
 
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