An interesting observation

[ARBITER01]

Sure. They had a few like Dean Heinrich Gruber ...


Here's something to think about too: Jesus said to be wary of spiritial spinmeisters. Hitler was a spiritual spinmeister.

What are you going to do if you find Hitler up in heaven? Are you going to argue with GOD over it?

None of us know all the truth, only GOD does. We can do our best to understand truth, but this world is full of liars, has been for quite some time.

I'm not here to inflame you or anyone else, just that the subject became interesting to me a few years back, so I looked into it. The propaganda and outright lies are thick on both sides of the aisle on this. I can't hate someone I don't know for a fact did anything really wrong, I'm more interested in what GOD has me doing.

 

[ARBITER01]

This is why we have the fields of Historiography and the Philosophy of History; so we can all be better historians and come to see the forest for the trees.

Oh yea,..... there's no political agendas in any of that is there? Certainly not. /sarcasm

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hitler was a very evil man and there is no excuse for him. But why seemingly normal people get sucked into following that person is something to study.

Yep. It definitely is.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Oh yea,..... there's no political agendas in any of that is there? Certainly not. /sarcasm

... actually, there's not as long as one decides in advance to strike Hegel and Marx from the market of historigraphical options. I know I do.

So, maybe stop your sarcasm?

 

[ARBITER01]

... actually, there's not as long as one decides in advance to strike Hegel and Marx from the market of historigraphical options. I know I do.

So, maybe stop your sarcasm?

Lol my sarcasm is quite warranted. And for your information,...it's not like I'm going to just up and do what you say,..... is it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What are you going to do if you find Hitler up in heaven? Are you going to argue with GOD over it?

Then Paul the Apostle will have to be kicked out of heaven for having lied ... to all of us.

None of us know all the truth, only GOD does. We can do our best to understand truth, but this world is full of liars, has been for quite some time.

Right. But the Lord gave us minds by which to love Himh, with all of our strength. This means none of us really has to just bent over and take what were fed ... we can decide to use our brains and become better educated.

I'm not here to inflame you or anyone else, just that the subject became interesting to me a few years back, so I looked into it. The propaganda and outright lies are thick on both sides of the aisle on this. I can't hate someone I don't know for a fact did anything really wrong, I'm more interested in what GOD has me doing.

I don't hate anyone either. But my analytic mind isn't going to shut down simply because politicians, on all sides, "talk" ...

 

[ARBITER01]

Then Paul the Apostle will have to be kicked out of heaven for having lied ... to all of us.

I'm just saying,...... none of us knows a person's heart, only GOD does. None of us knows just how far GOD's mercy extends to someone, and how far He will go to reach for someone He wants with Him.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm just saying,...... none of us knows a person's heart, only GOD does. None of us knows just how far GOD's mercy extends to someone, and how far He will go to reach for someone He wants with Him.

Right. I get what you're saying. But I think you skipped over what I said earlier.

"IF" Hitler repented---that is, truly repented, to Christ---before he died, knowing what he already did, then maybe even Hitler could be in heaven.

But as human nature typically goes, I don't hold out on that probability.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Lol my sarcasm is quite warranted. And for your information,...it's not like I'm going to just up and do what you say,..... is it?

Your sarcasm may be partially warranted where it's due. Heck, I'd offer some sarcasm as well toward either Ultra-Liberal or Ultra-Right political historians and/or other pundits.

But, where sarcasm might be due to ME, I don't have to swallow that because I know that you don't know my perspective.

Or do you?

 

[ARBITER01]

Right. I get what you're saying. But I think you skipped over what I said earlier.

"IF" Hitler repented---that is, truly repented, to Christ---before he died, knowing what he already did, then maybe even Hitler could be in heaven.

But as human nature typically goes, I don't hold out on that probability.

I do.

If GOD could reach me, a brand plucked from the fire, then He was able to reach him also. For some, that would go against the grain for them, but that's GOD's business, not ours.

Anyways, nice chatting, laters.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I do.

If GOD could reach me, a brand plucked from the fire, then He was able to reach him also. For some, that would go against the grain for them, but that's GOD's business, not ours.

Anyways, nice chatting, laters.

Alright, have a blessed day then!

 

[QvQ]

Hitler did many good things for Germany. Germany was a modern industrial powerhouse under early Hitler rule.
Hitler did one very bad and tragic thing, he with others started the war that murdered millions. That was is one of the blackest marks in the history of the world, no sane person could disagree.
If Hitler had continued the rebuilding of Germany as a productive, peaceful nation, how different the world would be.
That is evidence of demonic forces as that evil transcended the totality of man's capacity for depravity. IT was a veritable whirlwind of evil unleashed across the globe. However to reduce it to simple code words, "hitler" nazi, is to minimize the true scope of it.
If not Hitler, then someone else would have been the devil's agent, Italy, Japan or even someone else.
We are seeing the same winds starting to blow again, now in the name of Allah perhaps but it is beyond the scope of man to understand and perhaps beyond man's control or capacity to go other than where the wind blows.

 

[FireDragon76]

Your observation is based on a misinterpretation of tge word 'socialusm,' fueled by manipulative conservative demagogues and media propaganda.

Call America 'socialist' in any other country and be laughed out of the room.

Nazi's calling themselves "socialist" was about appropriation and sloganeering, not due to any similarity to the political Left. Hitler generally detested the Left, and blamed socialists for the treaty of Versailles, along with Jews.

 

[ARBITER01]

Nazi's calling themselves "socialist" was about appropriation and sloganeering, not due to any similarity to the political Left. Hitler generally detested the Left, and blamed socialists for the treaty of Versailles, along with Jews.

Ahhh,..... no, that's not even close there friend.

The Nazi's were absolutely leftist in their political structure. They had the same collectivism, the same state run sort of setup, it's just that they were not Marxist or communist, and everything was dictated by the race. It was a mixture of the two sides, right and left, hence why it was called Nationalistic Socialism, or right wing socialism.

You don't have to believe me specifically on this, just purchase Professor Hicks book on the Nazi's, he will point out all the obvious instances where the National Socialists were predominantly left in their structure, but had incorporated right wing aspects also,..

Amazon.com

There is a lot of interesting things to look at on this subject and learn about. Never before had we had a more militant combined political party such as the Nazi's were, and they became so strong it took the world to take them down. Just trying to get to a proper understanding of the truth associated with these people is a chore. Most of the time you encounter a heap of hatred from one side of the aisle that have no qualms about lying through their teeth at the drop of a hat, whereas you can also get a unnecessary sympathetic view from the other.

It's no joke, it is quite hard to sort through the junk to get an honest assessment of their actions and beliefs.

 

[The Barbarian]

Regarding the OP, I wonder if the person starting the thread also thinks that the People's Republic of China is ruled by the people of China or if the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy.