How Does One Put A Pre-Trib Rapture Before “The Last Day”?

[WilliamK76]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

 

[d taylor]

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So you are saying the rapture happens on the last day of the millennium or when the 1000 years ends. The same day that satan leads people in a revolt against God.

Of course i do not agree, but you want to believe this ok.

 

[WilliamK76]

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So you are saying the rapture happens on the last day of the millennium or when the 1000 years ends. The same day that satan leads people in a revolt against God.

Of course i do not agree, but you want to believe this ok.

No, on the last day before the millennium begins.

 

[Marilyn C]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

Hi William,

One of the important things we need to do when reading God`s word, or the newspaper etc is to find out `who is talking to whom. ` All your John scriptures reveal that Jesus was talking to the Jews regarding their resurrection - the last day.

The Body of Christ was NOT revealed at that time as Jesus hadn`t died or been resurrected or ascended. The Body of Christ is a different group than the Jews and will be caught away and go to their home in glory. This revelation was NOT revealed earlier.

Note: when you read a newspaper or on line you don`t take what is given to other people as for yourself. We apply the same rules of reading to how we read God`s word - who is God talking to.

We can learn lessons on what God is doing but we don`t take what is said to others as to ourselves.

 

[All Becomes New]

Honestly, all you need is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17. It's crystal clear.

The theology of a pre-trib rapture only took off because it sounds good to us. Who wants to suffer? But we have so much in the NT about Christians suffering that it really is no excuse.

 

[d taylor]

No, on the last day before the millennium begins.

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So me where you have Biblical support that this is the last day before the millennium begins and not the last day of the this age we are in now.

 

[sandman]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

You can take the 1 Thessalonians scripture out of your assessment. It is strictly addressing those in Christ both dead (asleep) and alive…..NOBODY else who died prior to Pentecost and no unbelievers who "have not"… or "did not" accept Jesus after Pentecost …It is strictly addressing the body of Christ Church of God.

And that is aside from the other inconsistencies between “the gathering together unto Him” and the "resurrection of the just and the unjust".

 

[Bob_1000]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

The last day of what?

 

[RandyPNW]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

I agree. However, I think the raising of the dead and the extracting of living Christians to heaven is pretty much simultaneous, rather than "one after the other." It is just saying that the dead will not be neglected in the glorification of living saints. Before the living saints achieve glorification, the dead will be raised in order to get in on the act. It all takes place in the twinkling of an eye.

But yes, well said. Pretribism is a myopic theology. I love and respect those who are Dispensationalists, but I can't help dismissing their Pretrib beliefs out of hand, since it is so incongruent with what you just said. It is an invisible theology, with respect to transparent biblical doctrine.

 

[WilliamK76]

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So me where you have Biblical support that this is the last day before the millennium begins and not the last day of the this age we are in now.

Honestly, if the last day is at the end of the millennial reign I have no problem with that either. I considered the end of “this” current age we are in now to end before the millennial Kingdom begins. So you don’t believe there are two resurrections? The resurrection of the just right before the millennial reign begins, and the resurrection of the damned after the millennial reign?

 

[WilliamK76]

I agree. However, I think the raising of the dead and the extracting of living Christians to heaven is pretty much simultaneous, rather than "one after the other." It is just saying that the dead will not be neglected in the glorification of living saints. Before the living saints achieve glorification, the dead will be raised in order to get in on the act. It all takes place in the twinkling of an eye.

But yes, well said. Pretribism is a myopic theology. I love and respect those who are Dispensationalists, but I can't help dismissing their Pretrib beliefs out of hand, since it is so incongruent with what you just said. It is an invisible theology, with respect to transparent biblical doctrine.

Amen. And it’s so clear that the antiChrist is revealed before the rapture.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Those who make the “falling away first” the rapture absolutely butcher this scripture to make their piece meal theology fit lol. No, they won’t be falling away up into the air because the rapture is happening, but falling away from the faith because they realize that they are going to have to suffer for Christ.

How can “falling away” be synonymous with “gathering together unto him”?

 

[WilliamK76]

So you are saying the rapture happens on the last day of the millennium or when the 1000 years ends

The last day of the millennial is when the 1000 years ends. The millennial is the 1000 years lol.

 

[WilliamK76]

Hi William,

One of the important things we need to do when reading God`s word, or the newspaper etc is to find out `who is talking to whom. ` All your John scriptures reveal that Jesus was talking to the Jews regarding their resurrection - the last day.

The Body of Christ was NOT revealed at that time as Jesus hadn`t died or been resurrected or ascended. The Body of Christ is a different group than the Jews and will be caught away and go to their home in glory. This revelation was NOT revealed earlier.

Note: when you read a newspaper or on line you don`t take what is given to other people as for yourself. We apply the same rules of reading to how we read God`s word - who is God talking to.

We can learn lessons on what God is doing but we don`t take what is said to others as to ourselves.

Hi, blessings.. I’ll get back to you on this. I’m mentally exhausted for the time being. Wasn’t expecting all these quick replies lol.

 

[Douggg]

No, on the last day before the millennium begins.

Not "on" the last day, but "at" the last day. We currently are "at" the last day, right before the millennium starts.

 

[d taylor]

Honestly, if the last day is at the end of the millennial reign I have no problem with that either. I considered the end of “this” current age we are in now to end before the millennial Kingdom begins. So you don’t believe there are two resurrections? The resurrection of the just right before the millennial reign begins, and the resurrection of the damned after the millennial reign?

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This current age ends when the tribulation begins, so this age will have a last day. Which is when Jesus leaves out of heaven to meet the saints and raptured believers in the clouds. To tabernacle there for 7 years while the tribulation is carried out.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[WilliamK76]

Not "on" the last day, but "at" the last day. We currently are "at" the last day, right before the millennium starts.

The last day is the seventh day. This world is a seven thousand year plan in God’s economy.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves. All those who are in their graves are actually caught up first, then those who are still alive in their physical bodies at that time, and on that day get caught up right after them.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we can clearly see that the rapture takes place on the day of the resurrection of all His saints who have died(as far as their physical existence is concerned) in Him.

So when did Jesus tell us several times that He is going to “raise the dead”?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Wow, this must be too simple for a lot of people to understand?

1. Been asking them this for years. Not to mention:
   before the "falling away" (Paul said do not be deceived about this timing!)
   before "the man of sin" emerges, (Paul said do not be deceived about this timing!)
   before the "last trump," (the last of a series of trumps)
   before the "great tribulation of those days," (Jesus said it would be immediately after)
   and before the "first resurrection" found at the end of the book of Revelation. (there could not be any general resurrections before the first)
   An individual who has never heard of this theory would never find it in scripture. As with anything else, if you go into the scripture with a mind to find something, you will find it. But it simply is not there without a lot of twisting, stretching, taking verses out of context, and ignoring the plain and simple text found from cover to cover.

 

[Diamond72]

We know from 1 Thess. that the rapture takes place almost simultaneously when Jesus raises His physically dead believers up out of their graves.

The rapture is not a resurrection. Rapture means to be snatched up out of your body. There could be a resurrection before the Kingdom age, we are told that we will rule and reign with HIm for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:6

 

[SavedByGrace3]

There is a clear danger presented to those who hold to a pre-trib view. Paul almost literally hits this nail on the head in Thessalonians.
What will you do when suddenly there is a great falling away and the antichrist shows up on the scene? You think you are supposed to be gone up in some "rapture" by then. But you are not! Paul says this would cause many to be troubled in their mind. No doubt. Suddenly, the foundation of their faith is destroyed, and they begin to doubt if any of it is true at all.
The rapture theology took off because it was a nice tool to scare people into getting saved. Essentially, it was the gospel of being saved from the great tribulation, not salvation from sin and hell.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The rapture is not a resurrection. Rapture means to be snatched up out of your body. There could be a resurrection before the Kingdom age, we are told that we will rule and reign with HIm for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:6

Luke 14:14 KJV And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee:
for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.