House releases overview of evidence against Biden

[Pommer]

That's pretty much what happened. But the need for a distraction from other scandals is so strong that a lack of evidence is reason to have an investigation.

It’s like 2019 all over again, “just announce you’re opening an investigation”; as if the hoi polloi are too wrapped up in their own lives to care beyond the headlines.

The American electorate is gullible but it’s not been proven stupid yet.

 

[NxNW]

But the need for a distraction from other scandals is so strong that a lack of evidence is reason to have an investigation.

The lack of evidence is sufficient evidence!

 

[Ana the Ist]

And frustrates Putin's American assets who were hoping that we'd appease his aggression instead of supporting the Ukrainian people.

Study Confirms Influence of Russian Internet “Trolls” on 2016 Election​

Study Confirms Influence of Russian Internet “Trolls” on 2016 Election

Researchers find link between reduced activity on Russian holidays and movement of online betting markets

www.sipa.columbia.edu

Real quick...is this evidence something in your mind? From the study...

As a case in point, we describe reduced form evidence that Russian holidays affected daily trading prices in 2016 election betting markets. This response is consistent with successful Russian interference in support of Trump.

The study shows that during Russian holidays, betting odds on Trump or Hillary winning the election changed lol.

The study doesn't reference anyone actually changing who they were voting for based on "Russian trolls".

A lot of gullible people continue to deny the facts. But they are facts.

What facts? The fact that our "top military experts" agree that there's no amount of military assistance that will help Ukraine defeat Russia?

Americans have learned that appeasing aggr essive dictators only puts off wars.

No idea what that means. There's plenty of wars we don't intervene in....and we're responsible for putting multiple aggressive dictators into power.

Putin, after the Ukrainian debacle, will be both less willing, and more importantly, less able to continue on that path.

What debacle? Are you under the impression that the war is almost over???

The idea that you're stating this and poking fun at "gullible people" who don't know the facts is hilarious.

He has followers in American government,

Name some. Let's hear some evidence.

It better be good too...because apparently emails, whistleblowers, family members working for Putin, kickbacks and payoffs aren't going to be considered evidence of anything to you...

So unless you've got video of some government figures telling Putin they want to work for him...you surely don't have enough evidence to justify your claim here in your own mind.

who are constantly working to stop America from aiding the Ukrainians in their fight to remain free.

We're under an insane amount of debt, homeless people are lining the streets of most major cities, Maui burned down and we can't even afford to help them....and yet the military cronies in this administration want to keep flushing taxpayer dollars down this toilet of a war that our own experts believe Ukraine will lose.

What's the point of funding this war @The Barbarian ? We've already helped Ukraine more than literally any other nation? Why should we continue funding this war when Maui is burning, NYC is under water, 9 million people have illegally entered the US...and combined with the administration’s mismanagement of the economy....Biden has basically impoverished an entire generation.

Not his family though...they'll undoubtedly be getting more money from corrupt foreign businessmen and oligarchs.

Your argument

I didn’t make any argument. I stated the facts. The facts as this administration sees them.

You seem to have abandoned any attempt at rational argument, and are now conflating an assessment of Ukrainian ability to fight, with a desire to see Putin win.

Again, I didn't make any argument. You're the one claiming anyone who isn't willing to throw endless money into a losing fight "desires to see Putin win".

It's not just some disloyal congressional people like Gaetz and Boebert.

Disloyal to whom? They seem pretty loyal to the US taxpayers funding this war. Who are you loyal to? Raytheon? Boeing? Honeywell?

"I'm on Russia's side." Tucker Carlson

Thankfully, I never voted for Tucker Carlson.

 

[mindlight]

Evidence of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

1) In July 2023, former Biden business associate Devon Archer described how Joe Biden was “The Brand” and was used to send “signals” of power, access, and influence to enrich the Biden family from foreign sources​

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2) Devon Archer alone was aware of at least 20 times in which then-Vice President Biden spoke on speakerphone with Hunter Biden’s foreign business associates.​

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3) In February 2014, then-Vice President Joe Biden dined with oligarchs from Russia and Kazakhstan who funneled millions of dollars to Hunter Biden and his business associates.​

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4) In April 2015, then-Vice President Biden dined with Hunter Biden’s foreign business associates, including Ukrainian Burisma executive Vadym Pozharsky. Burisma was then being investigated by Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin for corruption.​

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5) Then-Vice President Biden had coffee with Hunter Biden’s Chinese business associate, Jonathan Li of BHR, in Beijing and wrote a college letter of recommendation for his daughter.​

Going after Biden's family to get Trump into the Whitehouse seems like a losing strategy to me. Hunter Biden has made some bad calls and used his relationship with his dad to make some money. That does not have to come back on his dad though and the efforts to make that so just seem petty and spiteful and ultimately politically motivated. Most of the floating American voters, (not the hard-core party people) will see through that.

This reminds me of the whole discussion of the colorful Mark Thatcher when Margaret Thatcher was PM in the UK (Al-Yamamah_arms_deal). It did not work out for the Labor party either.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It’s like 2019 all over again, “just announce you’re opening an investigation”; as if the hoi polloi are too wrapped up in their own lives to care beyond the headlines.

The American electorate is gullible but it’s not been proven stupid yet.

This might be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read on this forum. Let's see...voters proven stupid....

1. Anyone voting for Biden because they imagined he was able or even interested in reaching across the partisan divide to get things done.
2. Anyone who didn't believe there is or was a border crisis.
3. Anyone who voted for candidates because they platformed "bail reform" and any other criminal justice measures.
4. Anyone who thought "food deserts" were caused by racism and voting for a non-white candidate would end them.
5. Anyone who voted for Joe thinking there was no way he would throw their money at another pointless war.
6. Anyone who thought mask/vaccine mandates were a good idea.
7. Anyone who voted in favor of trans-people getting special bathroom privileges and it wouldn't immediately be followed by more demands for special privileges and be taken advantage of by sex criminals.
8. Anyone who thinks it's important to sexualize children in the classroom, parents shouldn't have any say in their children's education, and the "don't say gay" bill punished teachers for saying "gay".
9. Anyone who voted for Biden because they thought "diversity and inclusion" mean something other than promoting institutionalized racism and sexism.
10. Anyone who believed that government efforts to censor the public and experts on covid or it's origins or it's treatments wasn't just legal but also a good idea.

Honestly, there's so many things that if someone voted for or against then it's hard to imagine them as anything but stupid. People voted for politicians who promised to Defund the Police, remember? Everyone who didn't somehow immediately recognized how dumb an idea that was....how did the people who voted for candidates like Lightfoot not understand how badly that would go? Remember when people voted against Republicans because they imagined Republicans were trying to take away their ability to vote despite no evidence of this....and record voter turnouts 2 elections in a row? Here's one for 2024....anyone voting for Biden because of his platform lol. It's pretty clear he isn't setting any agenda for either the party, or the federal government...and he hasn't even tried to follow through on the platform he ran on in 2020. He's not going to campaign (not really...they want him in front of cameras as little as possible) and he's not going to debate (again....cameras)...I won't call anyone voting for him in 2020 stupid because he appeared to be a real candidate, not a puppet. Now though, he doesn't even pretend....he literally tells the reporters he has to "do as he's told" and his campaign ads on YouTube are just him threatening to "finish the job he started"....which should be either terrifying or hilarious depending on how closely one has paid attention to "job" he started.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Going after Biden's family to get Trump into the Whitehouse seems like a losing strategy to me. Hunter Biden has made some bad calls and used his relationship with his dad to make some money. That does not have to come back on his dad though and the efforts to make that so just seem petty and spiteful and ultimately politically motivated. Most of the floating American voters, (not the hard-core party people) will see through that.

You have paid FBI informants that the FBI considered the highest quality and extremely credible saying that Biden took bribes to get Shokin fired.

So when you say "most of the floating American voters will see through that"....what do you mean? They'll ignore the evidence of corruption?

More Democrats want a candidate other than Biden for this time of his term than Republicans wanted a candidate other than Trump for this time of his term.

New poll shows Dems not keen on Biden as 2024 nominee

The president's age was found to be a significant concern

ny1.com

The wild part of that poll is even Democrats can't think of another Democrat they'd want to replace him.

The Democratic Party is in big trouble. Their own voters are telling them that...

1. They really don't want Biden.
2. They don't have any replacement Democrat they want either.

Biden is actually neck and neck with some secondary Republican candidates and I think a recent poll even had him losing a match up to Williamson.

The worst part for Democrats...the part no one wants to mention.....is that Trump has twice gotten more votes when running for president than polls indicated. He outperformed expectations in both 2016 and 2020. I don't think Democrats have realized that because mainstream media demonizes Trump and his supporters so regularly....when mainstream media tries to poll the public on their support for Trump, a lot of his supporters either lie or stay silent. They don't announce their intentions to vote for him.

If Trump is tied with Biden currently (or beating him in some polls) you should just expect that he's actually leading Biden by more than the polls show.

 

[mindlight]

You have paid FBI informants that the FBI considered the highest quality and extremely credible saying that Biden took bribes to get Shokin fired.

So when you say "most of the floating American voters will see through that"....what do you mean? They'll ignore the evidence of corruption?

More Democrats want a candidate other than Biden for this time of his term than Republicans wanted a candidate other than Trump for this time of his term.

New poll shows Dems not keen on Biden as 2024 nominee

The president's age was found to be a significant concern

ny1.com

The wild part of that poll is even Democrats can't think of another Democrat they'd want to replace him.

The Democratic Party is in big trouble. Their own voters are telling them that...

1. They really don't want Biden.
2. They don't have any replacement Democrat they want either.

Biden is actually neck and neck with some secondary Republican candidates and I think a recent poll even had him losing a match up to Williamson.

The worst part for Democrats...the part no one wants to mention.....is that Trump has twice gotten more votes when running for president than polls indicated. He outperformed expectations in both 2016 and 2020. I don't think Democrats have realized that because mainstream media demonizes Trump and his supporters so regularly....when mainstream media tries to poll the public on their support for Trump, a lot of his supporters either lie or stay silent. They don't announce their intentions to vote for him.

If Trump is tied with Biden currently (or beating him in some polls) you should just expect that he's actually leading Biden by more than the polls show.

The FBI believes that COVID was manufactured in a Chinese lab!!! "Paid" informants sound as plausible as mercenaries fighting for noble causes. FBI credibility is at an all-time international low right now, they should really stick to their remit and evidence trails that can be substantiated in courtrooms and not dragged into political dramas.

The FBI has actually said they were unable to disprove the accusations which in my book means they cannot prove them either. You have to prove the connection between Hunter Biden's illegal activities and Joe Biden's cooperation with those. That link is missing and the evidence presented is circumstantial, unreliable, or speculative.

Personally, I do not want a Biden-Trump rematch and would like both candidates to give way to younger people. But right now it looks like that will be the match. Republican isolationism would be a disaster for the international world order and for US interests though most Republicans do not have the savvy to understand that yet. So without even looking at American domestic politics, the Republicans have to lose in 2024. I grant that makes me more skeptical about republican claims about Biden. It reeks to me of sour grapes over the two ill-advised impeachments of Trump previously and of the increasingly partisan nature of American politics in which the truth has become well nigh irrelevant to both parties.

 

[BPPLEE]

So someone says they're suspicious about something. So maybe you can think about investigating the possibility of setting up an inquiry to see if anything untoward has been done.

Then we can determine if it's likely that it has.

And then we can investigate further and examine circumstantial evidence which might point the finger at a guilty party.

And if all that is done then maybe we can start an inquiry to investigate the possibility of setting up a committee to consider impeaching the president.

And they can investigate the the suspicions that someone who might be guilty of a yet to be decided crime might have taken advantage of his old man's position and determine if that could ever be considered an impeachable offence.

You're at the very first stage of of the the process and the wheels have already fallen off this clown car. Some Republicans are saying 'No problem. It's going just as we expected!' as they drag this burning wreck through the dust.

The crime is bribery and there is enough evidence to have an inquiry

 

[KCfromNC]

When you’re the President and you repeatedly claim you never spoke to any family member about business it’s going to come back to haunt you if you were not truthful

Hey look, more vague innuendo supported by nothing but "if".

 

[KCfromNC]

Why lie in the first place?

You'd have to ask the GOP leadership claiming they had evidence Biden committed a crime.

 

[KCfromNC]

To be fair, they seemed to really believe that the witnesses were going to incriminate or at least support their fixation that Biden must have done something illegal. It goes back to that fixation that Biden is at once mentally incompetent and fiendishly clever.

Personally, I'd include basing Congressional hearings on wild fantasies which have no relationship to reality under the umbrella of "bad at their jobs".

 

[KCfromNC]

The crime is bribery and there is enough evidence to have an inquiry

What evidence is that again? I thought the talking point from yesterday (or was it earlier today) was that there needed to be an investigation to find the evidence that is currently non-existent.

 

[Hank77]

If the payments all went to family members it’s still bribery if there was a quid pro quo.

True, but they haven't found any of that and that would be very hard to prove. Trump got away with it even when there was a verified phone call conversation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The crime is bribery.

OK, then we need three pieces of information.

1) Who
bribed
2) Whom
in exchange for
3) What

Because right now this looks like an empty fishing expedition along the lines of "Somebody somewhere stole something." While true, that is not a specific crime one could investigate.

 

[NxNW]

OK, then we need three pieces of information.

1) Who
bribed
2) Whom
in exchange for
3) What

Because right now this looks like an empty fishing expedition along the lines of "Somebody somewhere stole something." While true, that is not a specific crime one could investigate.

You'd think those tapes and bank records could help nail some of this down.

 

[The Barbarian]

True, but they haven't found any of that and that would be very hard to prove. Trump got away with it even when there was a verified phone call conversation.

That's the key; Donald Trump lowered the bar for acceptable presidential behavior to the point that the republicans had to dig a trench for it.

 

[rjs330]

You can spin it that way but the alternative is that Biden is so unaware of what’s going on that he was used in an influence peddling scheme without being aware of it. Not once or twice but at least 20 times that we know of. Corrupt politician or naive and incompetent are your choices.

No kidding. And he's been this way for a long time. Is he so naive that he has no idea What's going on? I can see that happening right now, but this has been happening for a while now. Either that or he's well aware of it and obviously approves of it because it kept going.

 

[The Barbarian]

Name some. Let's hear some evidence.

“You see Ukraine just kept poking the bear, poking the bear, which is Russia, and Russia invaded. And the hard truth is … there is no win for Ukraine here. Russia is being very successful in their invasion.”
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)
“I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.”
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH)

“The Soviet Union back before Russia when it broke up contained all of Ukraine including Crimea. The country itself is not really a country.”
Peter Navarro, Former Trump WH Advisor

“Ukraine is not our ally. Russia is not our enemy. We need to address our crippling debt, inflation and immigration problems. None of this is Putin’s fault.”
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ)

“I have major concerns about a compromised president of the United States who is sending incredible support to a less-than-forthright president of the Ukraine.”
Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT)

“Zelensky is a globalist puppet for Soros and the Clintons.”
State Sen. Wendy Rogers (R-AZ)

“Remember that Zelenskyy is a thug. Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and it is incredibly evil and has been pushing woke ideologies.”
Madison Cawthorn (R-NC)

Just some of Putin's republican party assets. They are by no means a majority of the party, but they are there and they want America to be more like Putin's Russia.

“I wish Putin was president of America.”
Nick Fuentes, America First Political Action Conference

"Peace for our time." Neville Chamberlain , after the Munich Agreement that gave Czechoslovkia to Hitler.

And it's pointless. Putin lacks the power to beat the Ukrainian Army, and in trying to do so, he's badly damaged his military and wrecked the Russian economy. These guy are bowing to a failed Hitler wannabee.

 

[rjs330]

But there has been no crime proved to have been committed.

Not yet anyway. Maybe no cause will be found. But there is enough between emails, texts, what's app, statements, money flowing to Biden, phone calls at prime time, photos of Biden with the people who were giving Hunter the money, shell companies etc. All of that are absolutely reasons to do and keep the I investigation going. Maybe nothing will be found to provide enough to impeach. But there's enough there to keep going.

We need all the bank statements and payments.

 

[The Barbarian]

You have paid FBI informants that the FBI considered the highest quality and extremely credible saying that Biden took bribes to get Shokin fired.

That one backfired on the republicans, too...

A high-ranking FBI official involved in the Hunter Biden investigation refuted key testimony from an IRS whistleblower who claimed the top prosecutor on the case was stymied by the Department of Justice (DOJ) in bringing charges outside Delaware.

Thomas Sobocinski, the FBI lead on the team investigating Hunter Biden, spoke with House investigators last week, pushing back on testimony from another agent in the case who said now-special counsel David Weiss was denied that authority and limited from bringing charges in districts beyond Delaware.

FBI official refutes top GOP claims on Hunter Biden investigation

A high-ranking FBI official involved in the Hunter Biden investigation refuted key testimony from an IRS whistleblower who claimed the top prosecutor on the case was stymied by the Department of Ju…

thehill.com

Whoops. Kinda like Devon Archer was going to blow the lid off on Hunter Biden, um?