The practice of healing and working of miracles

[Carl Emerson]

If I fast in God's will, why is it not still a work that I do? Care to explain?

What motivates you to do God's will ?

 

[Guojing]

What motivates you to do God's will ?

As you said, work is something I do.

That is my point, no matter the motivation. Are you disagreeing with this point?

 

[Carl Emerson]

As you said, work is something I do.

That is my point, no matter the motivation. Are you disagreeing with this point?

Please quote me from the threads...

We need to agree on a definition to discuss this.

 

[Guojing]

Please quote me from the threads...

We need to agree on a definition to discuss this.

Romans 4:5 tells me clearly the difference between faith and works.

Faith: Man Believe
Works: Man Do

 

[Carl Emerson]

Romans 4:5 tells me clearly the difference between faith and works.

Faith: Man Believe
Works: Man Do

If I give away all my possessions to charity, and if I surrender my body so that I may glory, but do not have love, it does me no good.

So it is not as simple as "works man do" as you suggest.

When His Love is the motivator it is Him at work not us.

"For it is God that is Work in us to will and to do of His good purpose..."

 

[Guojing]

If I give away all my possessions to charity, and if I surrender my body so that I may glory, but do not have love, it does me no good.

So it is not as simple as "works man do" as you suggest.

When His Love is the motivator it is Him at work not us.

"For it is God that is Work in us to will and to do of His good purpose..."

Whether work does good or not is irrelevant.

We are discussing the definition of work, not the outcome

 

[ARBITER01]

Some people prefer to understand why other people hold the doctrines they do, rather than to tell people what doctrine they should have.

I look at it as just endless arguments.

I do think our conversation has ended now. Bye.

 

[Guojing]

I look at it as just endless arguments.

I do think our conversation has ended now. Bye.

I am always happy when others want to understand more about what I believe in.

You are clearly different

 

[Carl Emerson]

Whether work does good or not is irrelevant.

We are discussing the definition of work, not the outcome

You ignored who's work was being done...

"For it is God that is at work in us to will and to do of His good purpose..."

 

[jiminpa]

I'm not one of these individuals that spouts out about the atonement and such all the time. Everything is still discretionary on GOD's part in my view.

But if we can't take God at His word on healing, we can't take His word on salvation or His goodness, or anything else. Worse, we are calling Him a liar, and blaspheming Him. I consider it bad enough that I don't trust Him in practice, but to declare His untrustworthiness is a whole other level. I am being sincere, and not trying to be incendiary. It's really how I see it.

 

[ARBITER01]

But if we can't take God at His word on healing, we can't take His word on salvation or His goodness, or anything else. Worse, we are calling Him a liar, and blaspheming Him. I consider it bad enough that I don't trust Him in practice, but to declare His untrustworthiness is a whole other level. I am being sincere, and not trying to be incendiary. It's really how I see it.

You must not be understanding my position or you are tying it in with something else.

I value a relationship with Jesus, not one with my bible.

I read what His word says all the time, but I don't try to beat the gates of heaven down with my demands or try to accuse Jesus of not acting on His word when I said He was suppose to. I ask Him about things honestly and then listen. What He decides to so is what He decides to do, I have no say in the matter unless He asks for my opinion, of which He has asked me before at times.

I'm not really sure what you were reading out of my statement, but this is how I interact with GOD and will continue to do so.

 

[jiminpa]

I would disagree somewhat.

GOD can have The Holy Spirit rest upon us in power, as scripture says, but if we are tempted into sin The Holy Spirit will be removed from us. It's a very sacred thing to have Him operating upon us like that, and there are things we need to be very careful about to not create issues between us and GOD.

This is different from quenching The Holy Spirit inside us. To reach the point where GOD can operate the power gifts through us by resting upon us in power is a very pinnacle thing in our lives, and we need to guard it carefully when we reach it.

If sin in and of itself was enough to stop the gifts, (same word in Greek that gets translated as "grace") no one would have ever operated in God's gifts and grace. We all have sin, even Paul and Peter, but we are no longer sinners by nature, since we have a new nature. When we become sin focused either by focusing on sin, or by being so bound by it that it takes us over, we are blinded to God's Spirit and grace [gifts]. It's like Peter on the sea. If we look at ourselves or the outer storm we sink, but we have a gracious and kind God who will lift us from our own sight.

 

[jiminpa]

buzz! Wrong answer. Try again.

Huh? I understand the words, but your conclusion doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Aaron112]

Huh? I understand the words, but your conclusion doesn't make sense to me.

That's okay.

 

[jiminpa]

Do you worship at Bethel church? This is Bill Johnson's teaching.

Guilt by association and strawman. Do you believe that the God of Abraham is the true God? So did King Saul. See how that works?

 

[Aaron112]

Guilt by association and strawman. Do you believe that the God of Abraham is the true God? So did King Saul. See how that works?

If a school is known to preach, teach and practice a false gospel, it is not good to be in that school

If a school is known to preach, teach and practice the true gospel, abiding in Jesus, proclaiming CHRIST CRUCIFIED (as Scripture says), , GOOD GOOD GOOD !

 

[Aaron112]

Huh? I understand the words, but your conclusion doesn't make sense to me.

Okay back - What conclusion ?

 

[jiminpa]

Okay back - What conclusion ?

By The Spirit stated that Lazarus's death and Paul's thorn are not the same thing, and you said that that was the wrong answer. Those 2 things have about as much in common as an Amish horse, (not the buggy), and a race car. I mean I can find either within a half hour's drive from my house, but there's not much other relationship.

 

[Aaron112]

By The Spirit stated that Lazarus's death and Paul's thorn are not the same thing, and you said that that was the wrong answer. Those 2 things have about as much in common as an Amish horse, (not the buggy), and a race car. I mean I can find either within a half hour's drive from my house, but there's not much other relationship.

Who did heal Lazarus ? Who could have healed Paul ?

In each case, Whose Choice ?

 

[jiminpa]

Who did heal Lazarus ? Who could have healed Paul ?

In each case, Whose Choice ?

Scripture does not say Paul's thorn was illness. Maybe it was, but it probably wasn't. That's the problem with metaphors, especially in a language that is no longer in use. Whatever it was, it was an exceptional case.