soul = spirit?

[Divide]

But your human spirit is perfect?

I have not acheived anything. I am the righteousness of God, in Christ, in spirit. My soul is not perfect. My body is not perfect.

I accepted the gift. I was born again and given a new spirit within me. His Holy Spirit bears witness with my own spirit and tells him the perfect thing to do in this or that situation. God does not give corrupt gifts. In spirit my spirit communes with God. I am perfect in spirit and not in soul or flesh. So now my job is to overcome the flesh and my soul and live a Holy life as He instructed us to. No man can do this pefectly. I am not sinless. I am pure in spirit and not yet in soul or body. The Lord knows we will fail, but did we make effort? Do we identify with Him? Do we trust Him and have Faith in Him?

If you always seek the spirit first before you nake a decision the Lord will make your paths straight. When you do not look to the Spirit for guidance then you are in the flesh and making carnal decisions outside the Lord. So abide in Him and He will abide in you.

Yes, your spirit is perfect right now. Identify with that! I don't call myself a sinner just because I sin. I still identify with the Lord Jesus. Lord help me to be an overcomer.

That's what I said as you can see.

 

[tonychanyt]

That's what I said as you can see.

Do you grow spiritually?

 

[Divide]

Do you grow spiritually?

Of course I do. ??

 

[tonychanyt]

Of course I do. ??

You grow spiritually but your spirit is perfect already?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

didactic said,
You're not wrong here. I would point you to the verse that says for the saints they will not have the sting of death (1 Co 15:55-57). For them it is a doorway to eternal life. Though I believe in eternal conscience torment for the damned, I see this as a kind of death. For the damned, it is a deathly existence. There is no hope for the damned, no second chance, and hell is a place for the destruction of the soul. It is not a doorway to any quality of life.[/QUOTE\]

It's my understanding from what the apostle said regarding the anointed, who you call the saints that at 1Corinthians 15:55-57, he was speaking of the resurrection of the dead. Since to my understanding the apostle Paul was speaking about the resurrection of the dead, I don't think I should just go by what Paul said at 1Corinthians 15:55-57. The scriptures show they were other times he spoke of the resurrection of the dead. What Paul said at Acts 24:15 is important because Paul said that he had a hope of the resurrection of the dead on the last day just as other Jews had a hope of resurrection of the dead on the last day. What Martha said at John 11:24 confirms that the Jews had a hope of a resurrection of the dead on the last day. There are other scriptures such as John 6:39,40,44 where Jesus says there will be a resurrection on the last day. So it's my understanding that in scripture Paul wasn't saying he and the other anointed ones, who you call saints, would be resurrected at the moment of their death, but instead would be resurrected on the last day. John 12:48 shows this last day is associated with a time of judgement. So it's important that we understand what this phrase, "the last day," means. It's my understanding this phrase, "the last day," is a time period that goes far beyond when the apostles and disciples of Jesus lived on earth in 1C.E.
1Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; Revelation 20:4-6,12 helps me to have a understanding that these scriptures are teaching this last day was when the second presence of Jesus Christ begins, when there will be a Judgement. So taking 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 along with 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 what Paul is saying to my understanding is that when those who belong to Jesus(apostles and disciples) that lived faithfully and died before the second presence of the Jesus Christ begins, will sleep in death in Hades until the resurrection begins, at the second presence of Jesus Christ. So the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ, at the beginning of the second presence of Jesus Christ, will be resurrected from Hades where they were sleeping in death until that time when the second presence of Jesus Christ began. When the second presence of Jesus Christ does begin those who have died who are the anointed, who you call saints(apostles; disciples) will be resurrected first, and when they are resurrected, they will not be resurrected as human beings again, because flesh and blood human bodies can't exist in heaven, but they will be resurrected as spirit beings who will be rewarded with immortality, and inherit incorruption. So yes after the apostles and disciples are resurrected back as living persons when the second presence of Jesus Christ begins because they are resurrected spirit beings rewarded with immortality and inherited incorruption the sting of death has no power over them. But still they slept in death until the resurrection began at the second presence of Jesus Christ. They were not resurrected instantly at the moment of death. So they are not still living persons from the time they die until the resurrection begins at the second presence of Jesus Christ, they're sleeping in death in Hades until the second of Jesus Christ begins. So I disagree that 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 is teaching death is a doorway to another plain of existence at the moment of a human beings death.

 

[Aaron112]

These verses seem to suggest the annihilation of body and soul. But they are silent as to what happens to the human spirit if it is separate from the soul. If it is a part of the soul, one would assume they're destroyed together.

A better understanding is needed.
Recognizing the breath of Yahweh is one step.
It is not usually sought, as tradition ignores this.

 

[Divide]

You grow spiritually but your spirit is perfect already?

Sure. You can't see how that's possible? After we are born again and receive a new spirit we as the Bride must make herself ready. We must, overcome the Carnal self and the temptations of the flesh. Our spirit may be perfect but our soul and body are not and we enter into the time of our trials and make the choices which allow us to overcome the flesh.

We worship God in spirit and in truth. Our spirit has direct access to the Holy Spirit and communes with Him. That's why your conscience always knows the right thing to do...to resist evil, to study the ways of the Lord. In time, we grow.

We feed our body food to sustain itself. Feeding our spirit is just as important. The food of the spirit is the word of God. Does that clear it up for you?

 

[Aaron112]

Do you grow spiritually?

Does anyone ?

 

[Divide]

Does anyone ?

Probably not many but you can for sure. Tells us how, right in scripture. Be like the Bereans and study/meditate the word every day, and...Pray without ceasing.

But who even reads their bible nowadays? Or prays like they should?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

But here's the thing, you agree that what makes someone made in the image of God is a person who is made to make moral judgments, as that is how humans were designed by God, to reflect his character. And, can we really separate our consciousness from our ability to reason and make moral judgments?

As I said earlier when a person is talking about consciousness, the word consciousness means, that you are aware of your unique thoughts, memories, feelings, sensations, and the environment you're existing in, so you're talking about a living person. It's my understanding that when the breath(spirit) of life leaves the human body it's not saying that a living soul or living person that is leaving the human body. So there is no consciousness leaving the human body either. The scriptures show to my understanding that it takes the breath(spirit) of life combined with a human body for there to be a living soul or living person, so consciousness could only exist when the breath(spirit) of life is combined with the human body not separate from the human body. So when it comes to the human body not having the breath(spirit) of life in it, there is no consciousness existing anymore. To say there is then you're believing and teaching that it's the breath(spirit) of life that is the living soul or living person and that has consciousness, and that doesn't agree with Genesis 2:7.

 

[tonychanyt]

Sure. You can't see how that's possible? Does that clear it up for you?

NO. You grow spiritually but your spirit is perfect already. Define perfect.

 

[tonychanyt]

Does anyone ?

If one is already perfect spiritually, does he still grow spiritually? What does perfect mean to you?

 

[Aaron112]

If one is already perfect spiritually, does he still grow spiritually? What does perfect mean to you?

If one is not alive spiritually, do they grow spiritually ?

What if they are only a 'natural' man, not a spiritual man ?

 

[RDKirk]

Sure. You can't see how that's possible? After we are born again and receive a new spirit we as the Bride must make herself ready. We must, overcome the Carnal self and the temptations of the flesh. Our spirit may be perfect but our soul and body are not and we enter into the time of our trials and make the choices which allow us to overcome the flesh.

We worship God in spirit and in truth. Our spirit has direct access to the Holy Spirit and communes with Him. That's why your conscience always knows the right thing to do...to resist evil, to study the ways of the Lord. In time, we grow.

We feed our body food to sustain itself. Feeding our spirit is just as important. The food of the spirit is the word of God. Does that clear it up for you?

The spirit must not just be fed, it must also be exercised.

 

[tonychanyt]

If one is not alive spiritually, do they grow spiritually ?

What if they are only a 'natural' man, not a spiritual man ?

We are not talking about spiritually dead people. Please stay focused.

 

[Aaron112]

We are not talking about spiritually dead people. Please stay focused.

It is for clarity, as a lot of posts are about non-spiritual people, maybe without realizing it,
and the
results, consequences, or reality is different for the spiritual vs the natural man, again for understanding that is often lacking ....

 

[Divide]

The spirit must not just be fed, it must also be exercised.

Good point!

 

[Divide]

NO. You grow spiritually but your spirit is perfect already. Define perfect.

If one is already perfect spiritually, does he still grow spiritually? What does perfect mean to you?

How God sees us.

We are more than a spiritual man as humans. We have a soul and a flesh body to overcome. Does that mean nothing to you? Because most people refuse to obey their spirit (conscience) then does that make the spirit unperfect? Or did the Carnal mnd make that decision?

Or has he not overcome the temptations of the flesh yet? Still worldly is he? No total surrender is what that means and then who knows if they are still born again and headed for heaven?

You grow as a whole Human man. I would suppose that our spirit can itself grow. We are not yet complete and I'm sure that God could even make improvements to our spirit even after He sees us as perfect. In Christ.

 

[didactics]

As I said earlier when a person is talking about consciousness, the word consciousness means, that you are aware of your unique thoughts, memories, feelings, sensations, and the environment you're existing in, so you're talking about a living person. It's my understanding that when the breath(spirit) of life leaves the human body it's not saying that a living soul or living person that is leaving the human body. So there is no consciousness leaving the human body either. The scriptures show to my understanding that it takes the breath(spirit) of life combined with a human body for there to be a living soul or living person, so consciousness could only exist when the breath(spirit) of life is combined with the human body not separate from the human body. So when it comes to the human body not having the breath(spirit) of life in it, there is no consciousness existing anymore. To say there is then you're believing and teaching that it's the breath(spirit) of life that is the living soul or living person and that has consciousness, and that doesn't agree with Genesis 2:7.

How is it that God in three persons is spirit and doesn't need to be in a body to be living or angels to be a living person?

 

[didactics]

How God sees us.

We are more than a spiritual man as humans. We have a soul and a flesh body to overcome. Does that mean nothing to you? Because most people refuse to obey their spirit (conscience) then does that make the spirit unperfect? Or did the Carnal mnd make that decision?

Or has he not overcome the temptations of the flesh yet? Still worldly is he? No total surrender is what that means and then who knows if they are still born again and headed for heaven?

You grow as a whole Human man. I would suppose that our spirit can itself grow. We are not yet complete and I'm sure that God could even make improvements to our spirit even after He sees us as perfect. In Christ.

How I've heard a preacher put it is that God sees us as perfect if Christ be in us, not that our spirit is perfect but his son is perfect. To be clothed in the righteousness in Christ is to be born again, but our righteousness is as filthy rags (Is 64:6). Two things happen when we are saved: our sin is imputed to Jesus, and His righteousness is imputed to us. Our spirit is not made perfect as it is in the process of being made perfect. When a preacher points out that God looks at us and sees his son, it is in the context that we can never be judged as condemned. It is meant to be an encouragement to any believers who are faint-hearted.