Do you trust God or Man when it comes to the creation?

[dwb001]

It absolutely does not. Whether the earth is 6,000 years old or almost 5 billion years old legitimately, and entirely, has no bearing on salvation.

Whether the universe came into existence 6,000 years; or whether the universe came into existence 14.5 billion years ago, and the earth at almost 5 billion years ago sin is still sin, death is still death, God is still God, grace is still grace, Christ is still Christ, the cross is still the cross, and salvation is still salvation.

That God's love and kindness toward His creation subject to death and a world full of sinners in need of His grace, sent His only-begotten Son to suffer and die, and be raised again, in order that you and I might be reconciled to God and have eternal life is not, in anyway, contingent or dependent on the age of the earth.

-CryptoLutheran

You misunderstand what I am saying.

And instead of asking for clarification you just started attacking.

The age of the Earth is not required for salvation, it Is salvational.

 

[d taylor]

Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?

I believe Him. You should, too. It's important for you.

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Looks like even with me showing you a verse, you still can not post one showing how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Here is another one
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

and another one
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

and one more
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

 

[The Barbarian]

Looks like even with me showing you a verse, you still can not post one showing how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Jesus gives you explicit instructions in Matthew 25, and you still won't believe Him. He tells you how he will determine who spends eternity with Him and who will spend it with Satan. And yet you won't accept His words.

If you truly believe in Him, you will do what He says you must to be with Him for eternity.

 

[d taylor]

Jesus gives you explicit instructions in Matthew 25, and you still won't believe Him. He tells you how he will determine who spends eternity with Him and who will spend it with Satan. And yet you won't accept His words.

If you truly believe in Him, you will do what He says you must to be with Him for eternity.

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You can not even understand the verse you posted is addressing inheritance (reward), it even states this in the verse. Matthew 25 is not addressing what a person must do to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and become a born again child of God..

 

[The Barbarian]

You can not even understand the verse you posted is addressing inheritance (reward), it even states this in the verse.

The reward for doing His will is to spend eternity with Him. The reward for not doing His will is to spend it with the devil and his angels. That's what He says. I'd believe Him, if I were you. It's not like joining a club or learning the secret handshake. If you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you will do the will of the Father.

If you do not, you will spend eternity elsewhere. No excuses, no secret back doors.

Notice that there will be people saved who have no idea how that happened. He will explain to them that when they did for the least of people, they were doing it for Him. Any Christian would know this. But those people do not. And yet they are saved, even when many who cry "Lord, Lord" will not be saved, because they did not do the will of the Father.

Please believe Him. It matters.

 

[d taylor]

The reward for doing His will is to spend eternity with Him. The reward for not doing His will is to spend it with the devil and his angels. That's what He says. I'd believe Him, if I were you. It's not like joining a club or learning the secret handshake. If you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you will do the will of the Father.

If you do not, you will spend eternity elsewhere. No excuses, no secret back doors.

Notice that there will be people saved who have no idea how that happened. He will explain to them that when they did for the least of people, they were doing it for Him. Any Christian would know this. But those people do not. And yet they are saved, even when many who cry "Lord, Lord" will not be saved, because they did not do the will of the Father.

Please believe Him. It matters.

No you have a complete misunderstanding of what rewards is in The Bible is. Plus doing God's will is to believe in The One God sent, why does this understanding escape you.

And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

 

[ViaCrucis]

You misunderstand what I am saying.

And instead of asking for clarification you just started attacking.

The age of the Earth is not required for salvation, it Is salvational.

I suspect I'm not misunderstanding.

But please, clarify. How is the age of the earth salvational.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[dwb001]

I suspect I'm not misunderstanding.

But please, clarify. How is the age of the earth salvational.

-CryptoLutheran

Thanks for asking... I am sure you will jump to conclusions again... but we can deal with that as it happens.

The first 3 Chapters of Genesis is sufficient for salvation.
Also they have the power to save.

So how do you understand the above two statements?

 

[The Barbarian]

No you have a complete misunderstanding of what rewards is in The Bible is.

You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of what will determine your eternal home. Jesus says it will depend on what you do. Do what He wants you to do, and you spend eternity with him. Fail to do that, and you will spend it with the devil and his angels. Call it what you want, but spending eternity with Jesus is what this brings you, according to Him.

Please listen to Him.

 

[Jipsah]

The first 3 Chapters of Genesis is sufficient for salvation.
Also they have the power to save.

Explain.

So how do you understand the above two statements?

Not at all.

 

[The Barbarian]

Thanks for asking... I am sure you will jump to conclusions again... but we can deal with that as it happens.

The first 3 Chapters of Genesis is sufficient for salvation.
Also they have the power to save.

He asked you how the age of the Earth is salvational. You merely asserted without evidence that the first three chapters of Genesis is salvational. But they don't give the age of the Earth.

 

[dwb001]

He asked you how the age of the Earth is salvational. You merely asserted without evidence that the first three chapters of Genesis is salvational. But they don't give the age of the Earth.

So you agree that this post was not directed at you and you again edited out my question to the poster.
A conversation is a back and forth... we are at the setting the basics first.
Please observe quietly or keep the interruptions to the minimum and the most constructive instead of confrontational.
Thank you.

 

[dwb001]

Explain.


Not at all.

So the first three chapters of Genesis show God's power, mans position to God, and mans fall by Satans machinations.
This is enough to be salvational for the next 2000 years until Abram gets selected to be God's example on Earth.
Sufficient.

The next bit depends on how much of Satan's lie you have swallowed.
You don't believe in a young Earth.
Do you believe mankind is the end result of evolution or the final created work of the Lord?
Do you believe there was a world wide flood with Noah and fam being the only survivors along with the animals on the Ark?


So now you have knowledge of how Gen 1-3 are sufficient for salvation.
Depending on your answers to my second point questions I will explain the saving power of Genesis.

 

[Jipsah]

So the first three chapters of Genesis show God's power, mans position to God, and mans fall by Satans machinations.
This is enough to be salvational for the next 2000 years until Abram gets selected to be God's example on Earth.
Sufficient.

The next bit depends on how much of Satan's lie you have swallowed.
You don't believe in a young Earth.
Do you believe mankind is the end result of evolution or the final created work of the Lord?
Do you believe there was a world wide flood with Noah and fam being the only survivors along with the animals on the Ark?


So now you have knowledge of how Gen 1-3 are sufficient for salvation.
Depending on your answers to my second point questions I will explain the saving power of Genesis.

Interesting.

Where does the Gospel figure into your faith

 

[d taylor]

You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of what will determine your eternal home. Jesus says it will depend on what you do. Do what He wants you to do, and you spend eternity with him. Fail to do that, and you will spend it with the devil and his angels. Call it what you want, but spending eternity with Jesus is what this brings you, according to Him.

Please listen to Him.

No i do not, The Bible states a person receives God's free gift of Eternal Life by belief in Jesus. No works or what you do are involved.

But regardless, of our back and forths. You proved my point that your statement about scripture being clear on a subject, then all (christians) would agree is not true. Because scripture is clear on how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. But yet you reject God's free gift by faith in Jesus and choose to work your way to eternal life.

 

[Jipsah]

Interesting.

Where does the Gospel figure into your faith, or at least your soteriology?

 

[dwb001]

Interesting.

Where does the Gospel figure into your faith

Answer the questions I asked so we can move on.

And why are you asking unrelated questions?

 

[Jipsah]

But regardless, of our back and forths. You proved my point that your statement about scripture being clear on a subject, then all (christians) would agree. Is not true because scripture is clear on how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. But yet you reject God's free gift by faith in Jesus and choose to work your way to eternal life.

KInda reminds me of the folks who steadfastly declare that the Revelation is perfectly clear in its message, but then no two of them can agree what that message is.

 

[Jipsah]

So the first three chapters of Genesis show God's power, mans position to God, and mans fall by Satans machinations.
This is enough to be salvational for the next 2000 years until Abram gets selected to be God's example on Earth.
Sufficient.

Interesting idea.

The next bit depends on how much of Satan's lie you have swallowed.

<Laugh> Can't forbear, can you?

You don't believe in a young Earth.

I do not. Too much clear physical evidence against it.

Do you believe mankind is the end result of evolution or the final created work of the Lord?

Yes. I see evidence that God can and does use evolution as part of His Creation. I have no reason to object to His having done so.

Do you believe there was a world wide flood with Noah and fam being the only survivors along with the animals on the Ark?

Had to think about that one for a bit. The Deluge is recorded in several ancient traditions. But is it straight up history? I doubt it. Another teaching story.

So now you have knowledge of how Gen 1-3 are sufficient for salvation.

And there we disagree. And I suspect there is no bridging that chasm.

Depending on your answers to my second point questions I will explain the saving power of Genesis.

You have them. I await your analysis.

 

[dwb001]

Interesting idea.

<Laugh> Can't forbear, can you?

I do not. Too much clear physical evidence against it.

Yes. I see evidence that God can and does use evolution as part of His Creation. I have no reason to object to His having done so.

Had to think about that one for a bit. The Deluge is recorded in several ancient traditions. But is it straight up history? I doubt it. Another teaching story.

And there we disagree. And I suspect there is no bridging that chasm.

You have them. I await your analysis.

So why if you do not believe that God made things as is written...
And if His good plan involves pain, suffering and death...
And that even He doesn't even have the ability to do what He said He would do...
Why do you follow this so called "God"?
And unless you deny Him I will start cutting off your fingers and toes, slowly.



Now in the above scenario the belief that God can do what He said He did shields me from any uncertainty.
I will suffer and die without a wobble in my faith.

But a young Earth, evolutionist, flood denier has multiple weak points in their faith that can be exploited.


You will argue against this idea(most likely), but if you just follow the logic you will see that this is the way things work out when you start believing the little lies that lie in wait.