Using your own reasoning, there is no eternal life.
Actually, I would say that this is the case in your belief in ECT.
Eternal life is not really eternal life because even the wicked will have eternal life, too (in the fact that they will live eternally in being tormented for all eternity).
So when Jesus said, “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,” (John 10:28), it does not really mean anything special or significant because everyone will have eternal life.
But play close attention. Jesus said, they shall never perish. To perish means to be destroyed or gone. You know if Rick said to Bob that his house perished in the fire, it means it is gone, right?
When I quote Isaiah 55:8-9 Im saying what it states . That God's ways are not necessarily our ways. Thats what it says. But you say no. You say God's way has to be the same as your ways.
Why do you keep ignoring verse 7?
Good Bereans don’t read verses or passages in the vacuum of outerspace.
The context (verse 7) is the wicked, which means the wicked needs to forsake their wicked thoughts and ways.
It’s not talking about believers who strive to live righteously and do good by the Lord.
Luke 12:48 states that people who did not know Jesus will still be punished. Different levels of punishment but punishment nonetheless.
No. It says they did not know and yet they did things worthy of stripes and they were beaten with few stripes.
Those who knew His will and did it not, were beaten with many stripes. Why? Because this shows that the concept of degrees of punishment based on a person’s crimes. One is being beaten with many stripes because they knew God’s will and did it not. The degree of punishment is more severe because their crime was more severe.
The concept being taught in Luke 12:47-48 is fair justice, and not unfair justice in that God is going to punish people for all eternity for a finite amount of sins or crimes committed.
Matthew 25:46 proves it's eternal. If it doesn't then there is no eternal life.
It is the same concept of “
eternal inheritance” mentioned in the Bible (See Hebrews 9:15). Do you believe that you will keep receiving your inheritance every day througout all eternity or do you think you will receive your inheritance one-time and it will have eternal consequences?
In other words, Matthew 25:46 is saying that the punishment is a one-time punishment that has everlasting consequences.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 defines this “everlasting punishment” in Matthew 25:46 as…. “everlasting destruction.” So the punishment is destruction. When you think about destruction and what that word means… it means that something is destroyed whereby it is no more.
The Wicked Shall Be No More:
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Was Jesus annihilated??? No. So I guess his punishment wasn't enough to save us since he didn't get annihilated?
Jesus died, and that is the form of the punishment was done in our place.
The wicked faces the
second death (Revelation 21:8), and not eternal torment in fire for all eternity.
So dying is the punishment. Jesus died in our place.
The wicked will one day die again a second time (just like the first death).
Jesus said fear not the one who can kill the body but fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.
So Jesus can and will destroy the soul. it will be no more just as he destroys the body (See Matthew 10:28).
You take death to be metaphorical in regards to the Second Death.
I believe it is literal because the “first death” is literal.
This is why your belief in ECT does not add up.
ECT is all over the Bible .
There are only five to six major verses that appear to teach ECT.
So no. It’s not all over the Bible.
Again, do you believe the “everlasting mountains” are still everlasting if they have been scattered or shattered?
Also, 1 Corinthians 15:26 says the last enemy to be destroyed is death.
This assumes that there are other enemies of God that are destroyed before death is destroyed.
Also, Revelation 21 says there is no more death, sorrow, pain, etcetera. So how can you have sorrow, and pain going on when the Scriptures say the former things (like these) have passed away?
Plus, Isaiah 66 says,
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
shall remain before me, saith the Lord,
so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look
upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:
for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched;
and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Okay. Let's go over this passage in more detail. So Isaiah says that “they (referring to the ‘all flesh’ mentioned in
Isaiah 66:23) shall go forth, and look upon the CARCASES (not ‘immortal living souls’) of the men that have transgressed against me: for their WORM (the maggot that feeds on those ‘carcases’) shall not die, neither shall their fire (the fire that burns up those ‘carcases’) be quenched: and they (the people that have transgressed against God) shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”
So the fire can be eternal or everlasting and not be quenched but that does not mean that what is inside the fire is not destroyed.
We clearly see that they are carcases.
Webster’s 1913 Dictionary:
Carcass
1. n. A dead body, whether of man or beast; a corpse;
If we are to believe words in our own dictionary, we must believe that when
Isaiah 66:24 talks about carcases, he is simply referring to dead bodies or corpses, and not immortal souls.
Matthew 25, Revelation 14:11 , Revelation 20:10,
These verses are explained in my thread here:
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This is talking about the place of Hades (Hell) and not the Lake of Fire.
Death and hell (Hades) will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
But death will be destroyed according to 1 Corinthians 15:26 and so the Lake of Fire is indeed a place of death.
It is called the Second Death and not torture in fire for all eternity.
The word annihilate is not in the Bible .
But “destroy,” “death,” “destruction,” and “shall not be” is.
Destroy and Annihilate are not the exact same thing .
This is not true.
According to the 1828 Websters Dictionary at KingJamesBibleDictionary it defines destroy as annihilate.
Destroy, King James Bible Dictionary
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