Biden DOJ sues Elon Musk

[Tropical Wilds]

Well I can’t seem to find pictures of any other.

Show me a photo of white Anglo-Saxon s rushing the Southern boarder and I’ll apologize.

I see we are doubling down on the grossness of the original statement.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not qualified for SpaceX (mainly because he's dead, but still)

Yeah, being dead would definitely disqualify you

 

[JustOneWay]

Why? Why do you want to see and autistic immigrant, who used his disabilities to become a genius want to lose what he has earned, or be imprisoned?

The US Justice Department has filed a lawsuit against SpaceX, the Elon Musk-run rocket and spacecraft company with extensive government contracts, for allegedly discriminating against refugees in its hiring practices.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/world/spacex-justice-department-lawsuit-hiring-scn/index.html

Elon was asked this 2016

Unfortunately, this is not up to us. U.S. government regulations make it hard to get a job in the U.S., but if you are working on rocket technology, that's considered advanced weapons technology.

So, even a normal work visa isn't sufficient unless you get special permission from the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of State. So, I want to be clear this is not out of some desire of SpaceX to just hire people with green cards.

The DOJ is suing Spacex for not hiring people that the DOJ specifically prevents from working on advanced weapons technology .

Welcome to 2023.

He is sued if he doesn’t and is imprisoned if he does.

The OP is misguided, and believes that the only jobs available at SpaceX is working on rocket technology

 

[Always in His Presence]

The OP is misguided, and believes that the only jobs available at SpaceX is working on rocket technology

The OP poster is former DOD connected to the Navy depart that realizes the even maintenance persons who mop the floor in secure areas need clearance to enter.

 

[JustOneWay]

"Out of about 10,000 hires between 2018 and 2022, only one person was an asylee and none were refugees, the Justice Department said."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/25/1196005433/space-x-justice-department-refugees-lawsuit

 

[iluvatar5150]

"Out of about 10,000 hires between 2018 and 2022, only one person was an asylee and none were refugees, the Justice Department said."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/25/1196005433/space-x-justice-department-refugees-lawsuit

From the article:

Rejected applicants with asylum or refugee status had apt experience for the roles, including one person who graduated from Georgia Tech and had nine years of engineering experience and another who the hiring manager said had "some impressive experience listed," the Justice Department said in its lawsuit.

 

[JustOneWay]

"In job postings and public statements over several years, SpaceX wrongly claimed that under federal regulations known as “export control laws,” SpaceX could hire only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, sometimes referred to as “green card holders.” Export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions."

Justice Department Sues SpaceX for Discriminating Against Asylees and Refugees in Hiring

The Justice Department filed a lawsuit today against Space Exploration Technologies Corporation (SpaceX) for discriminating against asylees and refugees in hiring. The lawsuit alleges that, from at least September 2018 to May 2022, SpaceX routinely discouraged asylees and refugees from applying...

www.justice.gov

 

[rjs330]

"Out of about 10,000 hires between 2018 and 2022, only one person was an asylee and none were refugees, the Justice Department said."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/25/1196005433/space-x-justice-department-refugees-lawsuit

My answer is so what!. Where I work we don't have any. How many exactly is he supposed to have? Do we have a number? Are we dealing in quotas again?

 

[Bradskii]

My answer is so what!. Where I work we don't have any. How many exactly is he supposed to have?

He is not supposed to have a specific number. But he is not allowed to discriminate against people who are legally entitled to a job. Didn't you read the article?

'The department alleges in the lawsuit filed Thursday that between September 2018 and May 2022, SpaceX violated the Immigration and Nationality Act by discouraging refugees and asylum recipients to apply for available positions in their marketing materials, rejecting or refusing to hire them and hiring only U.S. citizens and permanent residents.'

Which part of that do you not understand? It seems pretty clear to me.

 

[Landon Caeli]

He is not supposed to have a specific number. But he is not allowed to discriminate against people who are legally entitled to a job. Didn't you read the article?

'The department alleges in the lawsuit filed Thursday that between September 2018 and May 2022, SpaceX violated the Immigration and Nationality Act by discouraging refugees and asylum recipients to apply for available positions in their marketing materials, rejecting or refusing to hire them and hiring only U.S. citizens and permanent residents.'

Which part of that do you not understand? It seems pretty clear to me.

Does your country have similar laws? Forcing employers who build space rockets and satellites to hire non-citizens?

What if these non-citizens don't actually have our best interests in mind? How do we know they can be trusted?

 

[FireDragon76]

Does your country have similar laws? Forcing employers who build space rockets and satellites to hire non-citizens?

What if these non-citizens don't actually have our best interests in mind? How do we know they can be trusted?

Rocketry isn't exactly something you'ld usually consider a national secret. Lots of countries have space programs.


One of the most popular, and realistic, depictions of rocketry and spaceflight right now on the PC was made by an indie studio in Mexico .

couple of indie developers in Mexico:

 

[Bradskii]

Does your country have similar laws? Forcing employers who build space rockets and satellites to hire non-citizens?

Please don't reverse the argument. It doesn't work. Nobody is being forced to take on anyone. They are being told that they have to obey US law regarding employment.

And the laws in Australia are quite similar to those in the US. If you are 'a legal worker', that is, if you have permission to work in Australia without necessarily being a citizen, then you are entitled to apply for jobs and not be discriminated against.

If the job requires top secret security clearance then non citizens wouldn't be able to get clearance except in very specific situations. That applies in both countries. Now if Musk is saying that he cannot employ non-citizens for security cleared employment then he's right. But he's not saying that. He's saying 'US law requires at least a green card to be hired at SpaceX'.

In the first instance, export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions. And in the second, refugees and immigrants are eligible for green cards. So he is obliged not to discriminate against immigrants and refugees. Thems the rules. He has to follow them. It appears that he hasn't.

 

[rjs330]

He is not supposed to have a specific number. But he is not allowed to discriminate against people who are legally entitled to a job. Didn't you read the article?

'The department alleges in the lawsuit filed Thursday that between September 2018 and May 2022, SpaceX violated the Immigration and Nationality Act by discouraging refugees and asylum recipients to apply for available positions in their marketing materials, rejecting or refusing to hire them and hiring only U.S. citizens and permanent residents.'

Which part of that do you not understand? It seems pretty clear to me.

Oh how did they discourage them?

 

[Pommer]

Does your country have similar laws? Forcing employers who build space rockets and satellites to hire non-citizens?

What if these non-citizens don't actually have our best interests in mind? How do we know they can be trusted?

The xenophobia is strong in this one.
Non-citizen works 10 years in rocket-field before becoming Naturalized American

 

[Bradskii]

Oh how did they discourage them?

Here's an idea. If you respond to a post by @JustOneWay which included a link to an article which explains how they did it, it might be worth you reading it like the rest of us did so that you'd know as well.

I mean, this isn't rocket science. Oh, wait...

 

[Gene2memE]

Oh how did they discourage them?

Did you read the filing in post #17? It spells it out there.

 

[JustOneWay]

Does your country have similar laws? Forcing employers who build space rockets and satellites to hire non-citizens?

What if these non-citizens don't actually have our best interests in mind? How do we know they can be trusted?

Prove that each potential employee discriminated against applied to actually build rockets and satellites.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Prove that each potential employee discriminated against applied to actually build rockets and satellites.

I can't.

...Because there were no legal immigrants who were discriminated against at SpaceEx. The ones who didn't get the job weren't chosen because there were better candidates, so they simply didn't get hired.

 

[JustOneWay]

I can't.

...Because there were no legal immigrants who were discriminated against at SpaceEx. The ones who didn't get the job weren't chosen because there were better candidates, so they simply didn't get hired.

It is nice to know that you have all the facts regarding the case to proclaim that nobody was discriminated against.

BETTER candidates....that is always what is said.

 

[Bradskii]

I can't.

...Because there were no legal immigrants who were discriminated against at SpaceEx.

That's not true according to the DoJ. From one of the articles:

'It also alleges that in postings SpaceX put on job hunting sites and online forums, SpaceX employees specified available positions were only open to U.S. citizens. On applications, potential employees had to check a box indicating their citizenship status, which was then input into a database that managers and recruiters marked with rejection codes, such as "not authorized to work/ITAR ineligible," "does not meet basic qualifications" and "not U.S. citizen/green card." '