My Gospel by Paul

[All Becomes New]

1 Cor 12:28 would suggest it was a dedicated role in the church in the NT, ie giving specific messages about future events, ie so when they spoke it was clear it was a prophetic message, ie foretelling the future.

That does not logically follow.

The other roles done by prophets in the OT was now done by other specific individuals

Not sure what you are saying here.

I believe prophet was a title in the early church. I believe prophets still exist today. What I do know is that a prophet will never appoint themselves as a prophet.

 

[Sorn]

That does not logically follow.



Not sure what you are saying here.

I believe prophet was a title in the early church. I believe prophets still exist today. What I do know is that a prophet will never appoint themselves as a prophet.

A false prophet will & can you tell them apart??

In any case if you see everything an apostle says as prophecy or the words of a prophet then you will not be able to distinguish between true prophecy and encouragement etc then when trying to understand the scripture you will tie yourself into knots, oh wait, you already have!

 

[All Becomes New]

A false prophet will & can you tell them apart??

In any case if you see everything an apostle says as prophecy or the words of a prophet then you will not be able to distinguish between true prophecy and encouragement etc then when trying to understand the scripture you will tie yourself into knots, oh wait, you already have!

I don't see everything an apostle does as prophetic. That is you putting words in my mouth. Paul was making a truth claim about the coming of Christ. Is Paul's statement about the coming of Christ wrong?

 

[d taylor]

Yes gospel is 'good news'.
If you prefer, BrotherJJ put it well when in his post above he said "One Gospel Several Dispensational Administrations". This is another way to see it. However, each of the several 'administrations' has a different instruction to follow.
Rather than titling the video 'The 7 administrations' or 'The 7 different sets of Good News' the author titles it 'The 7 Gospels'. Does not detract from the message to those eager to learn and grow. God has given different instructions on how to be saved to people down through the ages.
We are are currently in the 5th one in the videos list - The 'Dispensation of Grace' administration or gospel or instruction on how to be saved

watch the video.

There are no different ways to receive God"s free gift of Eternal Life. It has always been belief in Jesus. The only difference between Adam and a person today, is that Adam did not have the knowledge of the actual person of God in the flesh. But he (Adam) knew God promised to send a redeemer and that being restored to God was by faith in this coming person.

Adam had the knowledge of a coming Messiah, we have the knowledge that the promised coming Messiah is Jesus. But faith in God's promised Messiah has always be the only to receive Eternal Life.

 

[Sorn]

Not sure what you are saying here.

Just that possibly prophets did just 1 thing now, prophecy, ie future events & nothing else but just a speculation admittedly

 

[Sorn]

I don't see everything an apostle does as prophetic. That is you putting words in my mouth. Paul was making a truth claim about the coming of Christ. Is Paul's statement about the coming of Christ wrong?

No man knows the hour or the day so any time frames would be wrong. Again, Paul clearly speaks to the congregation as if it was going to happen in their lifetime, which may have been his genuine belief, anything less & he would have been deceiving them

 

[Sorn]

There are no different ways to receive God"s free gift of Eternal Life. It has always been belief in Jesus. The only difference between Adam and a person today, is that Adam did not have the knowledge of the actual person of God in the flesh. But he (Adam) knew God promised to send a redeemer and that being restored to God was by faith in this coming person.

Adam had the knowledge of a coming Messiah, we have the knowledge that the promised coming Messiah is Jesus. But faith in God's promised Messiah has always be the only to receive Eternal Life.

Messiah is a Jewish term only, it is not a gentile term. We do not need to believe in a messiah, we do not have a messiah, only the Jews do.
We have a Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ. Our faith is that He is the Son of God and died & was buried for our sins and rose again. This is the Gospel of Grace

The Jews need to believe Jesus is their Messiah, follow the commandments of the Law of Moses & that He (the Messiah) will return to establish the Jewish millennial kingdom. This is the Gospel of the Kingdom.

It should be said that currently only the Gospel of Grace is in operation, so no distinction between greek or Jew. After the rapture the Gospel of the Kingdom is in operation again, the Gospel of Grace having been completed, ie the fullness of the gentiles

 

[All Becomes New]

Again, Paul clearly speaks to the congregation as if it was going to happen in their lifetime, which may have been his genuine belief, anything less & he would have been deceiving them

Good. Then just own it that you think Apostle Paul was wrong about some things. Which ironically shoots your whole argument in the foot.

 

[Sorn]

Good. Then just own it that you think Apostle Paul was wrong about some things. Which ironically shoots your whole argument in the foot.

No it doesn't, it just acknowledges that he was a man and didn't know everything, least of all the hour or the day of Jesus's return.. Many scholars have acknowledged that the early church thought the 2nd coming was imminent just as many people still do today and have always done so

 

[All Becomes New]

least of all the hour or the day of Jesus's return.

No one is saying he did. He didn't give a time frame and I didn't give one either (but probably within 1,000 years).

 

[Sorn]

No one is saying he did. He didn't give a time frame and I didn't give one either (but probably within 1,000 years).

The Thessalonian congregation would have read it as happening in their lifetimes which it clearly didn't, as Paul did not clearly state if was prophetic, as in well future occurence.
I agree though the the next 1000 yrs or very shortly after should do it, ie 1100 max say

 

[Strong in Him]

This is our Gospel, of Grace by Faith, that we have had for the last 2000yrs. No one has been saved by the 1st Gospel of the Kingdom, found in Matt, Mark, Luke and John, since all those years ago.

The Kingdom of God is wherever God is proclaimed, and allowed to rule, as King.
No-one can enter the kingdom of God unless they have been born again by the Spirit, John 3:3. No-one can declare that Jesus is Lord unless they have received the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12:3.
The Holy Spirit was only sent to the disciples after Jesus had died, been raised and ascended.

So what is "The Gospel of the Kingdom"?

This was because it was for the Jews only, as a Gospel of works,

No.

Church is ekklesia in the Greek, meaning called out ones, so for most going along with your particular brand of Christianity, along with adherence to all the rules, and rituals, think again!

I don't like denominations, but someone can be committed to a denomination and still be a born again, Spirit filled Christian.

The whole bible was written for us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles were written to us!

None of the Bible was written TO us.
It is for us, can apply to us and the truth about God and the Gospel is just as true today as it was then.
But no-one sat down and thought "I am writing TO Christians in 2023". If they had done so, they would have used examples from our culture and which we can relate to.

Are you saying the Gospels aren't for us? That we can't learn from sermon on the mount, and shouldn't have the Lord's Prayer?
That Jesus didn't come to give his life as a ransom for many, Mark 10:45? That his blood was not poured out for the forgiveness of sins? That he is not the Way, the Truth and the Life, John 14:6? That he was not raised from the dead?
What is the Gospel, then?

 

[bling]

Wow, what part of that don't you understand!? I guessing that English is your 3rd or 4th language and you have a poor grasp of it. Good thing Google Translate is a thing, you should use it.
In any case to help you understand the Paul went to cities OUTSIDE of Israel where he would have most likely (as in most cases, if not all) gone to any Jewish communities there 1st if they had them, here is a list of CITIES OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL that he went too, geez!!!

Mapping the journeys of Paul the apostle

Paul the Evangelist traveled at least 10,000 miles during the first century to encourage the spread of Christianity. This article maps his journeys and explains why he was motivated to do them.

www.azbible.com

Damascus
Tarsus (Turkey)
Antioch (Turkey)
Seleucia (Turkey)
Salamis and Paphos (Cyprus)
Perga and Pamphylia (Turkey)
Pisidian Antioch (Turkey)
Iconium (now Konya)(Turkey)
Lycaonia, Lystra and Derbe (Turkey)
Pamphylia again
Attalia (now Antalya) (Turkey)
Phoenicia (now Lebanon)
Syria
Cilicia (Turkey)
Derbe and Lystra again
Phyrgia (Turkey)
Galatia (Turkey)
Mysia (Turkey)
Troas (Turkey)
Samothrace (Greece)
Neapolis (Greece)
Philippi (Greece)
Amphipolis, Apollonia (Greece)
Thessalonica (Greece)
Berea (now Veria)(Greece)
Athens
Corinth (Greece)
Cenchrea (Greece)
Ephesus (Turkey)
Galatia, Phrygia
Ephesus again
Macedonia
Greece
Macedonia
Philippi again
Troas (Turkey)
Assos (Turkey)
Mitylene (Greece)
Cos (Greece)
Rhodes (Greece)
Patara (Turkey)
Phoenecia again
Tyre (Lebanon)
Ptolemais (Lebanon)
Antipatris (Israel)
Sidon (Lebanon)
Myra (Turkey)
Malta
Syracuse (Sicily)
Rhegium (Italy)
Puteoli (Italy)
Rome

What I was trying to get across is the fact Paul preached to these Jews before going to the gentiles and preaching to them. He had Jewish converts who joined the gentiles Paul was preaching to, so did Paul preach one gospel or two different gospels?

 

[nightmares]

https://www.judaismvschristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/20-Facts-That-Prove-Paul-Was-a.pdf

 

[Sorn]

What I was trying to get across is the fact Paul preached to these Jews before going to the gentiles and preaching to them. He had Jewish converts who joined the gentiles Paul was preaching to, so did Paul preach one gospel or two different gospels?

Ok, can you provide the relevant passages please & I will have a look.

 

[d taylor]

Messiah is a Jewish term only, it is not a gentile term. We do not need to believe in a messiah, we do not have a messiah, only the Jews do.
We have a Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ. Our faith is that He is the Son of God and died & was buried for our sins and rose again. This is the Gospel of Grace

The Jews need to believe Jesus is their Messiah, follow the commandments of the Law of Moses & that He (the Messiah) will return to establish the Jewish millennial kingdom. This is the Gospel of the Kingdom.

It should be said that currently only the Gospel of Grace is in operation, so no distinction between greek or Jew. After the rapture the Gospel of the Kingdom is in operation again, the Gospel of Grace having been completed, ie the fullness of the gentiles

Perfect example of why i did not waste 40:00+ minutes watching your video. Go read the gospel of John again, it was written specifically to people (all people Jew or gentile) who had not yet believe in The Messiah for Eternal Life.

 

[bling]

Ok, can you provide the relevant passages please & I will have a look.

Acts 11:19 Now those who had been scattered by the persecution that broke out when Stephen was killed traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, spreading the word only among Jews. 20 Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. 21 The Lord’s hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord…..they sent Barnabas to Antioch….25 Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch.

Read the sermon Paul preached in the synagogue to both Jews and Gentiles on his first Sabbath day there in Acts 13 and tell me how the Jewish Gospel is different from the Gentile gospel, since Gentiles were there also?

Acts 13: 46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

Paul is not saying he is preach anything different to the Gentiles, they might not have complained if Paul was preaching a different message to the gentiles.

Acts 14: 1 At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.

Acts 17: 1 When Paul and his companions had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah,” he said. 4 Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and quite a few prominent women.

Acts 17:10…On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

Acts 18: 2 There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla,

Acts 18: 5 Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching, testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah.

Acts 18: 7 Then Paul left the synagogue and went next door to the house of Titius Justus, a worshiper of God. 8 Crispus, the synagogue leader, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard Paul believed and were baptized.

 

[Der Alte]

By using petra, Matthew might have intended to keep a connection with other teachings from Jesus. In Matthew 7:24, Matthew records Jesus’ parable of the wise man who “built his house upon the rock [Greek, petra]” (v. 24), and when the winds blew and the floods came, the house did not fall, “because it had been founded on the rock [Greek, petra]” (v. 25). Perhaps Matthew intended to echo the parable: Jesus is the wise man building his house, the Church, on the rock (petra), which is Peter.
[Peter] is to be a “Rock.” And one important function of a rock, as [Matt.] 7:24-27 has reminded us, is to provide a firm foundation for a building. So, on this rock Jesus will build his church, and it will be forever secure.
I rest my case.

You have no case to rest nothing but speculation, "Matthew might have intended to keep a connection with other teachings from Jesus." It was NOT Matthew anything, Matt was quoting Jesus. "Petros" is masculine "Petra" is feminine. The name Jesus is transliterated from the Hebrew "Yeshua." But the "a" ending in Greek is feminine so in Greek it was transliterated "Iesous" with a final "s" which makes it masculine instead of "Iesoua" with "a" which would make it feminine. As I have shown from BDAG "Petra'" means bedrock, "Petros" means piece of stone.

 

[Strong in Him]

I also made the same mistakes having been baptised as a baby, signed with a cross by the bishop in the Anglican Church,

Being welcomed into God's family is a mistake??

all null and void, as it has been for millions of people for 2000yrs.

Nope.
John was called to baptise and baptised Jesus himself.
Jesus sent his disciples, and us, out to baptise, Matthew 28:19-20. The Apostles baptised, Philip baptised the Ethiopian Official.
Before they were baptised, believers were asked to make a declaration of faith - like Jesus is Lord - and give a testimony.
Since then, thousands of new believers have been baptised.
It is a holy sacrament and is not "null and void.

I have not set foot in a church for the last 15yrs,

With respect, I'm not surprised to hear that.

and will stay away

You want to cut yourself off from the Body of Christ - your choice.
But believers being the body of Christ is taught in 1 Cor 12 - and it was you who said that only Paul's letters are relevant to us.

and not join in with all the pagan festivals of easter, xmas etc.

They're only pagan if you worship Christmas trees/the Easter Bunny.
I don't know of any Christian who does that.

If anyone would prefer not to go to hell, study Paul’s 13 Epistles and believe our Gospel in 1Cor15v1-4.

I disagree with you - and I'm not going to hell.

 

[Strong in Him]

Paul is the apostle to the gentiles only. The other 11 apostles are the apostles to the Jews and they taught a slightly different gospel

No. There is NO other Gospel.
And where does it say that all other 11 Apostles were Apostles to the Jews? They were told to take the Gospel to Judea, Samaria and to the ends of the earth. Tradition says that Thomas went to India, and others were scattered when they fled persecution.