My Gospel by Paul

[Strong in Him]

In short, the Samaritans would have been an exception in the teaching of the Peter & John, not the rule.

Jesus offered living water to a Samaritan women and revealed to her that he was the Messiah.
Peter and John wanted to call down fire from heaven on Samaria - Jesus would not let them and said that whoever was not against him was for him. Of 10 lepers who were cleansed, the one who thanked Jesus and was commended, was a Samaritan. The 11 were sent as Jesus' witnesses to Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.
In Acts 8, Philip healed and preacjed in Samaria.

 

[Sorn]

Jesus offered living water to a Samaritan women and revealed to her that he was the Messiah.
Peter and John wanted to call down fire from heaven on Samaria - Jesus would not let them and said that whoever was not against him was for him. Of 10 lepers who were cleansed, the one who thanked Jesus and was commended, was a Samaritan. The 11 were sent as Jesus' witnesses to Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.
In Acts 8, Philip healed and preacjed in Samaria.

Though some gentiles, notably in Samaria may have been reached by Jesus and other apostles, the large bulk of Gentile Christendom was reached by the work of Paul, hence why he is the apostle to the gentiles

 

[Strong in Him]

[Peter] is to be a “Rock.” And one important function of a rock, as [Matt.] 7:24-27 has reminded us, is to provide a firm foundation for a building. So, on this rock Jesus will build his church, and it will be forever secure.

God help the church if it is built on a fallible human being.
Thank God that THE Church is built on THE Rock - Jesus - who has defeated sin and death themselves and who can never die nor be destroyed.

 

[Clare73]

Its a shame you turn to sarcasm instead of having a mind willing to learn more about the word of God & grow. Your list collapses to just 2 of the 7. 6 really because 1 repeats in the video which the author acknowledges but they operate at different time periods hence why they are counted as 2. Its not the title that counts but the actions that are commanded under that gospel that count.
To this end you should watch the video. If you prefer, BrotherJJ put it well when in his post above he said "One Gospel Several Dispensational Administrations". This is another way to see it. However, each of the several 'administrations' has a different instruction to follow.
Currently we are under the gospel or administration of Grace but in time (the rapture) it will end & a new one will be in operation then.

Neither Jesus nor Paul presented a gospel of "dispensational administrations."

That is an invention of man imposed on the word of God written.

"Do not go beyond what is written." (1 Co 4:6).

 

[d taylor]

If anyone would prefer not to go to hell, study Paul’s 13 Epistles and believe our Gospel in 1Cor15v1-4.

Ist Corinthians 15 is not about telling people how to not go to hell.

Ist Corinthians 15 is addressing believers who do not believe in they will be resurrected verse 12 plainly states this.

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

 

[Sorn]

Neither Jesus nor Paul presented a gospel of "dispensational administrations."

That is an invention of man imposed on the word of God written.

"Do not go beyond what is written." (1 Co 4:6).

ok i can see the analogy flew over your head, thats ok. Paul did however teach the Gospel of the Dispensation of Grace.

 

[Clare73]

ok i can see the analogy flew over your head,

Indeed. . .it's not in Scripture, it is of your own making.

thats ok. Paul did however teach the Gospel of the Dispensation of Grace.

"Gospel" is your addition to Paul's words.

Paul is referring to the "mystery" that the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members of one body, sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

Nor are those words a license to "dispensationalize" the whole Bible into dispensations of your own creation.

 

[d taylor]

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This is a great deception of satan, getting people to place their faith/belief in anything other than the person Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

The list is many, place your faith in a gospel, in Jesus death on the cross, in repenting of your sins, in being baptized, in being a member of a church, in saying a sinners prayer, obeying the 10 commandments, in obedience to God, etc....

But Jesus states.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

 

[Clare73]

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This is a great deception of satan, getting people to place their faith/belief in anything other than the person Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

The list is many, place your faith in a gospel, in Jesus death on the cross, in repenting of your sins, in being baptized, in being a member of a church, in saying a sinners prayer, obeying the 10 commandments, in obedience to God, etc....

But Jesus states.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

Keeping in mind that salvation by Jesus' atonement is also through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25); i.e., trust on his sacrifice to remit your sin.

 

[Sorn]

Paul is referring to the "mystery" that the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members of one body, sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

We are not 1 body with Israel, Israel is a separate entity. Currently under the Dispensation of Grace period there is no difference between Jew & Greek bu this ends at the Rapture when God will again deal with Israel under the Law of Moses and will take them from unbelief to belief though 2/3 will die as it will also be during the 7 year tribulation period. At the end of this period Jesus returns and established the 1000yr long Jewish kingdom

 

[d taylor]

Keeping in mind that salvation by Jesus' atonement is also through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25); i.e., trust on his sacrifice to remit your sin.

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We have had this discussion before and it is belief in the person Jesus that gives a person Eternal Life and not His blood. If want to believe how you do fine, i do not share your belief.

 

[Lost4words]

You have no case to rest nothing but speculation, "Matthew might have intended to keep a connection with other teachings from Jesus." It was NOT Matthew anything, Matt was quoting Jesus. "Petros" is masculine "Petra" is feminine. The name Jesus is transliterated from the Hebrew "Yeshua." But the "a" ending in Greek is feminine so in Greek it was transliterated "Iesous" with a final "s" which makes it masculine instead of "Iesoua" with "a" which would make it feminine. As I have shown from BDAG "Petra'" means bedrock, "Petros" means piece of stone.

Nope, Petros means rock. Not 'piece of stone'.

 

[Strong in Him]

Though some gentiles, notably in Samaria may have been reached by Jesus and other apostles, the large bulk of Gentile Christendom was reached by the work of Paul, hence why he is the apostle to the gentiles

Yes, I'm not disputing that.
But that is not proof that all the other 11 were apostles to the Jews. They were commissioned to go to Samaria and the ends of the world where did Jesus say anything about going to Jews only?

 

[Clare73]

We are not 1 body with Israel, Israel is a separate entity.

You'll have to take that up with Paul, for he says that we are (Eph 3:6).

Currently under the Dispensation of Grace period there is no difference between Jew & Greek bu this ends at the Rapture

According to NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, everything ends at the rapture,
for the NT teaches that the rapture, second coming and judgment all occur in the same time frame.

Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Th 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Mt 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Mt 25:31-33).

when God will again deal with Israel under the Law of Moses and will take them from unbelief to belief through 2/3 will die as it will also be during the 7 year tribulation period. At the end of this period Jesus returns and established the 1000yr long Jewish kingdom

NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, as distinct from prophetic riddles ("dark sayings," hidden meanings, Nu 12:1-8) not spoken clearly, allows for nothing after the rapture but Jesus' return to earth and the final judgment.

That interpretation of the prophetic riddles not spoken clearly in Rev is not in agreement with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church.

 

[Clare73]

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We have had this discussion before and it is belief in the person Jesus that gives a person Eternal Life and not His blood. If want to believe how you do fine, i do not share your belief.

What do you think Ro 3:25 means?

 

[d taylor]

What do you think Ro 3:25 means?

When Adam sinned God stated as the way back to God was by blood that is seen where God made coverings from an animal who life had to be taken, for Adam and Eve. Because it is seen that God rejected their own bloodless efforts by making a covering from fig leaves.

Now in Romans 3:25 Paul is referencing back to the Tanakh and the mercy seat where the high priest entered the Holy of Holies to meat God annually by means of the blood that was sprinkled on the mercy seat. So the blood sprinkled mercy seat was a point of contact between God and sinful man.

Now after Jesus successful blood sacrifice and resurrection, a person who through faith in the person Jesus who now has replaced the mercy seat.

...Man and God can now meet, The Messiah has now become the permanent mercy seat replacement, who was a superior sacrifice and does not need to be repeated again and again like the old mercy seat. Jesus one time sacrifice was perfect and perfectly satisfied God's justice for mans sin.

God accepted Jesus back into heaven so anyone who has faith/belief in Jesus is also welcomed back by God.

 

[Der Alte]

Nope, Petros means rock. Not 'piece of stone'.

Again I remind you, you are quoting an anonymous online source which supports what you have chosen to believe. I have shown you from BDAG a well known highly respected scholarly source supported by about 120-160 years of combined scholarship which included 30+ historical sources the scholars consulted determining the correct definition. BDAG is used in major theological seminaries. See entry "② a piece of rock," my post #32 this thread. But you go ahead on and believe what you want to believe.

 

[Soyeong]

There are some important differences. Probably the most important is the Gospel of the Kingdom requires works to show faith whereas the Gospel of Grace does not require works. Paul makes that clear in Ephesians 2:8-9 & Galatians 2:16

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of first having done works, our salvation nevertheless still requires us to do works. Likewise, in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we do not need to first have done those works in order to result in our salvation and we do not need to first have been said in order to result in doing those works, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, which again means that it requires us to do those works.

They are different Gospels, Galatians 2 makes that clear, this is why Paul goes to Jerusalem in Galatians 2:1-2 where Paul makes a distinction between what he teaches & what the apostles taught.

Paul's gospel is the gospel of the uncircumcision. The apostles taught the gospel of the circumcision. Galatians 2:7-9

Watch the video from the timestamp i have linked at 30:40 for about 5 minutes.

In Galatians 2:1-9, Paul checked to make sure that his Gospel was the same as the one that they were teaching. It has been my universal experience that people who overemphasize the need to rightly divide the word of truth use that as a smoke screen to try to hide that they are by far the worst offenders of wrongly dividing it.

Acts 21:20 refers to the Law of Moses, something that gentiles are NOT required to keep, we are not under the Law, it was NOT given to the gentiles (heathen, uncircumcission etc) ever.

Acts 21:20 is an example of Jesus correctly responding to what Jesus accomplished in Titus 2:14. It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and Gentiles are required to refrain from sin (Romans 6:16). God is sovereign, so the whole world is under His law and obligated to refrain from sin.

 

[Sorn]

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of first having done works, our salvation nevertheless still requires us to do works. Likewise, in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we do not need to first have done those works in order to result in our salvation and we do not need to first have been said in order to result in doing those works, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of salvation, which again means that it requires us to do those works.

The Gospel of the Kingdom requires works to prove faith and be saved.
The Gospel of Grace requires faith to be saved, which should then result in good works being fruit, there is a difference.

In Galatians 2:1-9, Paul checked to make sure that his Gospel was the same as the one that they were teaching. It has been my universal experience that people who overemphasize the need to rightly divide the word of truth use that as a smoke screen to try to hide that they are by far the worst offenders of wrongly dividing it.

They are not the same, in Gal 2:7 Paul is saying there is a distinction with the Jewish apostles teaching the gospel of the circumcision and Paul teaching the gospel of the uncircumcision

 

[Soyeong]

The Gospel of the Kingdom requires works to prove faith and be saved.
The Gospel of Grace requires faith to be saved, which should then result in good works being fruit, there is a difference.

You're trying to create a distinction where there is none. Again, Titus 2:11-14 does not say that we are saved first and that then results in those works as the fruit, but rather it describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do those works. Again, our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, living in obedience to is the content of the gift of being saved from not living in obedience to it. For example, honoring our parents is the way that Jesus is saving us from not honoring our parents, so not the case salvation or works comes first and then results in the other.

They are not the same, in Gal 2:7 Paul is saying there is a distinction with the Jewish apostles teaching the gospel of the circumcision and Paul teaching the gospel of the uncircumcision

That refers to a difference in the target audience, not to a difference in the content of the message.