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Repent & be baptized ISN'T the message for the Church today

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The phrase gospel of the kingdom & references to “the kingdom of God” and “the kingdom of heaven”

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: [ 1,,G932, basileia ] KINGDOM
"The fundamental principle of the Kingdom is declared in the words of the Lord spoken in the midst of a company of Pharisees, "the Kingdom of God is in the midst of you," Luke 17:21, marg., that is, where the King is, there is the Kingdom.

OT Gospel of the Kingdom: Israel only, message begins with John the Baptist 25-26AD Is retired 70AD/Temple destroyed. Will be redeployed after the caughting-up of the Church (Thes 4)

NT Gospel of the grace of God: Begins with Paul's return from Arabia (Gal 1) 35-37AD still operating. Will be retired at the catching up-up of the Church (Thes 4)

A glimpse of God's promised coming Kingdom to Israel:
2 Sam 7:12-13, 1 Chron 17:10-14, Isa 9:6-7,11:1-9, Dan 2:44,7:13-14, Mic 4:1-5, Zec 14:1-21, Lk 1:32-33.

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Matt 19:28 Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

All the above OT teaching's are kingdom promises God made to Israel's fathers (Rom 15:8). Are necessary context, in understanding Jesus kingdom teaching & preaching messaging. (Matt 3:2).

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Messiah was sent to minister to the circumcision/JEWS, To fulfil OT promises made to the Hebrew fathers)

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
(MY NOTE: This is after Stephens death (6 yrs after Jesus death & resurrection) these Jewish converts that had fled Israel. Running for their lives from law zealots like Saul. They are still only sharing Christ with other Jews!).

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(BTW: Jesus died on the cross 7 yrs before Peter tells Cornelius (an Italian/gentile) "IT'S UNLAWFUL" for a Jew to hang out with a gentile, Jesus faithfully kept the law)

Matt 15:26 Jesus said; It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
(MY NOTE Jesus calls this gentile woman of Canaan a dog. Jews often referred to Gentiles as "dogs" Matt 7:6 )

Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: God sent forth his Son """made under the law""" to """redeem those under the law/JEWS""")

Jesus's in the flesh mission was to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"" ONLY!

Gentiles were considered ungodly/unclean (living outside of covenant seals). Just being in their presence could make a Jew ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28)

A/the new covenant doesn't/can't begin until after Jesus dies.

Heb 9:
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(MY NOTE: Jesus kept, lived, taught & fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic laws. There can be no new covenant until after Jesus (the Testator) dies.

Study tips from a pro:
Myles Coverdale; Bible theologian/translator. He wrote the Coverdale Bible. Say's don't judge scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Who was preaching the repent & be baptized gospel of the kingdom message? JESUS, John & the 12!
Who was Jesus talking to? JEWS UNDER THE LAW! Reread Matt 15:24, Rom 15:8 above.
What's the timeframe? PRE-DEATH!
Where? ISRAEL!
To what intent? REDEEM THOSE UNDER THE LAW/JEWS! Reread Gal 4:4-5 above.

The gospel of the kingdom message Jesus preached was for Israel ONLY! This message is void of Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection. The OT God given Levitical animal sacrificial system dealt with (covered) Israel's sin.

Gentiles had NO PART in the All Jewish repent & be baptized gospel of the kingdom message.

Eph 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Pre-death & resurrection, gentiles were: ""strangers living outside covenant seals of promise"" ""having no hope"" living without God in the world)

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: But NOW post death & resurrection. The blood of Christ has brought you near.)

Acts 10 records dispensational message change. From the ALL JEWISH gospel of the kingdom promise. To the gospel of the GRACE of God.

The Lord thru Peter opens salvations door to gentiles! The NT good new/gospel of the GRACE of God (void Mosaic law adherence). Is open to ALL, Jew & gentile.

Acts 10, Seven years after the (Acts 2) Holy Spirit out pouring. Peter has a vision, it tells him to eat unclean creatures. Peter argues with the Lord 3 times & the Lord says. Peter, if I make/say it's clean, ITS CLEAN! Peter then goes with the unclean gentiles that had already been traveling to find Peter.

Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: These gentiles don't repent of anything, don't bring a animal sin offering or adhere to any Mosaic laws etc. They hear about Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection, believe it (nothing more, nothing less/FAITH) & Christ (who knows everyone true heart) baptizes them with His FOREVER indwelling (Jn 14:16) eternal salvation sealing (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 4:4) Holy Spirit. Also see Eph 1:13. They heard, believed & received Christ's FOREVER indwelling Holy Spirit)

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(MY NOTE: If any gentile had received the Holy Spirit 7 years ago at the Acts 2 Pentecost. These Jews (to include Peter) wouldn't have been astonished!)

Next the Risen Lord gives Saul/Paul the NT gospel of the GRACE of God message (Acts 20:24) and sends him to gentiles/all other nations (Acts 26:14-18)

The NT gospel of the GRACE of God message is: Jesus died for your sins, was buried & rose on the 3rd day (1 Cor 15:1-4) for your justification (Rom 4:25)

Salvation is offered by the GRACE of God & accessed by FAITH (Eph 2:8, Rom 5:1-2). Placed in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice.

If you'll read the Acts 10 account. They heard about Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection, BELIEVED, were saved/baptized by Jesus with His Holy Spirit & then partook in baptism. This public action was confirmation of their faith. An outwardly expression of the inner spiritual change.

Although salvation comes by Gods GRACE & is accessed by FAITH ALONE. There are some prerequisite understandings needed.

You must acknowledge God is, understand you've sinned (Rom 3:23) against a sovereign Creator God's rule & are under a death sentence (Rom 6:23) in need of rescue. That Jesus is the only path to pardon. You confess your sins & ask Him to come into/indwell your heart & forgive/rescue you from your sins. He has promised to accept all true confessions (1 Jn 1:9). Jesus knows every heart & is absolutely faithful.

Understand with your confession, you're agreeing to marriage union commitment. You become His BETROTHED, the Holy Spirit is His promise, your engagement ring (See link at bottom).

He accepts every true seeker that approaches with a contrite heart. At acceptance Jesus gives the convert GIFTS: His Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45, 11:17), A declaration of righteousness (Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18) & eternal life (Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24).

NT Gospel of Jesus Christ:

1 Cor 15:
1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

PARSING:
Vs 1, ""The good news of SALVATION"" preached to you, ""which you accepted by FAITH"". (NO H2O NEEDED!)

Vs 2, You were SAVED by FAITH & reborn from above, spiritually transformed, renewed & set apart for His purpose. (NO H2O NEEDED!)

Vs 3, The most ""important"" SALVATION information needed is: (Vs 3) Christ died for our sins (Vs 4) was buried & He was raised on the 3rd day.

Synopsis: The gospel/good news whereby you are SAVED by FAITH placed in: Christ' sin atoning sacrifice/offering/payment: He died/Shedding His sinless perpetually cleansing (Heb 10:14) God blood, was buried & rose on the 3rd day. (Father receipt, sins required payment received & accepted. (NO H2O NEEDED!)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(PARSING: You heard & BELIEVED about Jesus sin atoning payment & resurrection. Then (Matt 3:11, Mk 1:8, Lk 3:16) by Jesus, you were <PAST TENSE > SEALED with God's promised Gift of His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SALVATION SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) indwelling Holy Spirit.

Rom 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of FAITH, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou SHALT be SAVED. 1 Cor 15:
(PARSING Confess Jesus as Lord, BELIEVE He was Raised from the dead. For with the heart man BELIEVES unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Heb 9:22 In fact under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].
(MY NOTE: WATER BAPTISM doesn't/can't remit/pardon sin. Repentance doesn't/can't remit/pardon sin. Only FAITH in Jesus sin atoning BLOOD sacrifice/death & resurrection)

Eph 2:8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you HAVE BEEN SAVED [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through FAITH. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;
(MY NOTE: Salvation is accessed by GRACE thru FAITH.

9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].
(MY NOTE: No SELF-WORKS needed or ALLOWED!)

All thanksgiving, praise, glory & honor belongs to Christ our Lord!
 
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"Repent & be baptized ISN'T the message for the Church today"

You made this statement so please back it up. How many Churches are in the world today and you know what "isn't" in the message? You don't know you don't have clue sorry. It is being preached and done all over the world.
 
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"Repent & be baptized ISN'T the message for the Church today"

You made this statement so please back it up. How many Churches are in the world today and you know what "isn't" in the message? You don't know you don't have clue sorry. It is being preached and done all over the world.
The proof can be found in the OP. The following 1 Cor 15:1-4 scriptures were shared in the OP

1 Cor 15:
1Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

PARSING:
Vs 1, ""The good news of salvation"" preached to you, ""which you accepted by FAITH"".

Vs 2, You were SAVED by FAITH & reborn from above, spiritually transformed, renewed & set apart for His purpose.

Vs 3, The most ""important"" SALVATION information needed is: (Vs 3) Christ died for our sins (Vs 4) was buried & He was raised on the 3rd day.

Synopsis: The gospel/good news for your SALVATION is: Christ died for your sins, was buried & rose on the 3rd.

Heb 9:22 In fact under the Law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].

(MY NOTE: Repentance doesn't/can't remit/pardon sin. Water baptism doesn't/can't remit/pardon sin. Only FAITH in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice can REMOVE/PARDON sin)

Eph 2:8For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God;

(MY NOTE: Salvation is accessed by GRACE thru FAITH)

Rom 5:
1Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

2Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].

(MY NOTE: Vs 1, Justified/acquitted of sin & declared blameless before God by FAITH. Vs 2, We access God's GRACE thru FAITH.)

If the correct new covenant message: The good news/gospel of the GRACE of God is accessed by FAITH. Placed in Jesus' sin atoning sacrifice brings SALVATION. Maybe the Church would quit shrinking & begin to grow.

You're free to believe & promote your beliefs, as am I. A simple, I disagree, would have been sufficient. In the spirit of forum debate I've respectfully addressed your reply. You're childish ""clueless accusation"" makes it clear respectful exchange is beyond your ability. I have no interest in any further dialog with you. Best wishes, JJ
 
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A glimpse of God's promised coming Kingdom to Israel:
2 Sam 7:12-13, 1 Chron 17:10-14, Isa 9:6-7,11:1-9, Dan 2:44,7:13-14, Mic 4:1-5, Zec 14:1-21, Lk 1:32-33.

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Matt 19:28 Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

All the above OT teaching's are kingdom promises God made to Israel's fathers (Rom 15:8). Are necessary context, in understanding Jesus kingdom teaching & preaching messaging. (Matt 3:2).

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Jesus was sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Messiah was sent to minister to the circumcision/JEWS, To fulfil OT promises made to the Hebrew fathers)

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
(MY NOTE: This is after Stephens death (6 yrs after Jesus death & resurrection) these Jewish converts that had fled Israel. Running for their lives from law zealots like Saul. They are still only sharing Christ with other Jews!).

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(BTW: Jesus died on the cross 7 yrs before Peter tells Cornelius (an Italian/gentile) "IT'S UNLAWFUL" for a Jew to hang out with a gentile, Jesus faithfully kept the law)

Matt 15:26 Jesus said; It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
(MY NOTE Jesus calls this gentile woman of Canaan a dog. Jews often referred to Gentiles as "dogs" Matt 7:6 )

Gal 4:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: God sent forth his Son """made under the law""" to """redeem those under the law/JEWS""")

Jesus's in the flesh mission was to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"" ONLY!

Gentiles were considered ungodly/unclean (living outside of covenant seals). Just being in their presence could make a Jew ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28)

A/the new covenant doesn't/can't begin until after Jesus dies.

Heb 9:
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(MY NOTE: Jesus kept, lived, taught & fulfilled the old covenant Mosaic laws. There can be no new covenant until after Jesus (the Testator) dies.

Study tips from a pro:
Myles Coverdale; Bible theologian/translator. He wrote the Coverdale Bible. Say's don't judge scripture by what is spoken, or written only.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.

Who was preaching the repent & be baptized gospel of the kingdom message? JESUS, John & the 12!
Who was Jesus talking to? JEWS UNDER THE LAW! Reread Matt 15:24, Rom 15:8 above.
What's the timeframe? PRE-DEATH!
Where? ISRAEL!
To what intent? REDEEM THOSE UNDER THE LAW/JEWS! Reread Gal 4:4-5 above.

The gospel of the kingdom message Jesus preached was for Israel ONLY! This message is void of Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection. The OT God given Levitical animal sacrificial system dealt with (covered) Israel's sin.

Gentiles had NO PART in the All Jewish repent & be baptized gospel of the kingdom message.

Eph 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: Pre-death & resurrection, gentiles were: ""strangers living outside covenant seals of promise"" ""having no hope"" living without God in the world)

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
(SCRIPTURE PROCLAIMS: But NOW post death & resurrection. The blood of Christ has brought you near.)

Acts 10 records dispensational message change. From the ALL JEWISH gospel of the kingdom promise. To the gospel of the GRACE of God.

The Lord thru Peter opens salvations door to gentiles! The NT good new/gospel of the GRACE of God (void Mosaic law adherence). Is open to ALL, Jew & gentile.

Acts 10, Seven years after the (Acts 2) Holy Spirit out pouring. Peter has a vision, it tells him to eat unclean creatures. Peter argues with the Lord 3 times & the Lord says. Peter, if I make/say it's clean, ITS CLEAN! Peter then goes with the unclean gentiles that had already been traveling to find Peter.

Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: These gentiles don't repent of anything, don't bring a animal sin offering or adhere to any Mosaic laws etc. They hear about Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection, believe it (nothing more, nothing less/FAITH) & Christ (who knows everyone true heart) baptizes them with His FOREVER indwelling (Jn 14:16) eternal salvation sealing (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 4:4) Holy Spirit. Also see Eph 1:13. They heard, believed & received Christ's FOREVER indwelling Holy Spirit)

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(MY NOTE: If any gentile had received the Holy Spirit 7 years ago at the Acts 2 Pentecost. These Jews (to include Peter) wouldn't have been astonished!)

Next the Risen Lord gives Saul/Paul the NT gospel of the GRACE of God message (Acts 20:24) and sends him to gentiles/all other nations (Acts 26:14-18)

The NT gospel of the GRACE of God message is: Jesus died for your sins, was buried & rose on the 3rd day (1 Cor 15:1-4) for your justification (Rom 4:25)

Salvation is offered by the GRACE of God & accessed by FAITH (Eph 2:8, Rom 5:1-2). If you'll read the Acts 10 account. They heard about Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection, BELIEVED, were saved/baptized by Jesus with His Holy Spirit & then partook in baptism. This public action was confirmation of their faith. An outwardly expression of the inner spiritual/indwelling change.

Although salvation comes by Gods GRACE & is accessed by FAITH ALONE. There are some prerequisite understandings needed.

You must understand, you've sinned against a sovereign Creator God (Rom 3:23), are under a death sentence (Rom 6:23) & in need of rescue. That Jesus is the only path to pardon. You confess your sins & ask Him to come into/indwell your heart & forgive/rescue you from your sins. He has promised to accept all true confessions (1 Jn 1:9). Jesus knows every heart & is absolutely faithful.

Understand with your confession, you're agreeing to marriage union commitment. You become His BETROTHED, the Holy Spirit is His promise, your engagement ring (See link at bottom).

He accepts every true seeker that approaches with a contrite heart. At acceptance Jesus gives the convert GIFTS: His Holy Spirit (Acts 10:45, 11:17), A declaration of righteousness (Rom 4:5 & 5:17-18) & eternal life (Rom 6:23, Jn 5:24).

Final thought:
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (Also see Lk 3:4)

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Matt 26:53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will immediately provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?
(MY NOTE: A roman legion had about 6,000 soldiers)

The kingdom message fulfilling OT promises is made to Israel! Is still on the horizon.

Their promised King (cited by John the Baptist) was in their midst. One angel slays 185,000 Assyrians in 1 night (2 Kings 19:35). Jesus has 70,000 plus (Matthew 26:53) angels in theater, ready for deployment on His command. Had Israel accepted their King, HIS long promised earthly rule (from Jerusalem) could have begun. Leadership rejected Him & had Him Killed.

After the catching-up of the Church (Thes 4:16 the age/dispensation of GRACE ends). Jesus will return & set up (in Jerusalem) the government promised in Isa 9:6-7. And fulfill all the other verses cited at the beginning in the OP. Soon very soon!

Engagement ring link: Earnest (Noun) - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Well , one can not be in the "Church" until one repents from unbelief to belief so that they may recieve His Holy Spirit Baptism. So, it is not the message for the Church but rather, it is the message from the Church to the world.
Blessings.
 
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Well , one can not be in the "Church" until one repents from unbelief to belief so that they may recieve His Holy Spirit Baptism. So, it is not the message for the Church but rather, it is the message from the Church to the world.
Blessings.
You are correct repent from unbelief to belief.

In the All Jewish gospel of the kingdom repent & be baptized . The repent part isn't applied to from unbelief to belief. They ALL knew/believed in the Lord their God. At the time Jesus was ministering the Nation was walking he wrong way.

John's BAPTISM of REPENTANCE:

Repentance: Strong's Hebrew (H7725:שׁוּב ) turn back, return, a wholehearted turning to God. Note the different way repent translates in Hebrew vs Greek, John wasn't speaking Greek. When John was preaching, turn back/return to God. His message is only applicable to Jews at that time. Gentiles didn't have any relationship with God, see Eph 2:12)

Return/turn back to God, purify/wash/clean yourself-up, outside & inside (Jews of Jesus day understood this practice) in PREPARATION of meeting your long time promised Messiah. Through whom will remiss/forgive/pardon your sins will be realized (Acts 19:4).
 
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Is it wrong to repent and be baptized?
Did the prodigal son come to his senses and repent (turn to his father), before being renewed?
And water baptism was given to Israel as written in John 1:31 and not given to Gentiles .

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Is it wrong to repent and be baptized?
Did the prodigal son come to his senses and repent (turn to his father), before being renewed?

Israel had to repent of killing their promised Messiah in Acts 2:36 so it is not the same repentance that you can do now.

After all, you did not even exist at that time period.
 
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And water baptism was given to Israel as written in John 1:31 and not given to Gentiles .

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Have you read these vss.?
Matthew 28:19-20
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(20) teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
 
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Matt 28:19-20, The OP explains the repent & be water baptized to receive the Holy Spirit message for/to Jews ONLY.

Acts 10:45-49 records an inversion (where gentiles receive the H/S by FAITH & then get water baptized. An outwardly expression confirming the inner new birth/spiritual change) A change from repent & be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit. To Believe to receive the Holy Spirit & then partake in baptism (Also see Eph 1:13, They HEARD about Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection BELIEVED & RECEIVED H/S.

Post #8 accurately describes repent context in Acts 2:36

Post #5 gives a more general contextual application. For the kingdom repent message that starting with John the Baptist in the Judean wilderness.

Many people today define & relate repent with personal sin. They had a God given sacrificial system for dealing with personal sin.
 
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Repentance doesn't mean what people think it means. It has to do with the mind, not good works. "Repentence" is a word from a mistranslation of the Greek word into Latin based on the concept of penance, enforced ecclessiastic penalties for wrongdoing. It's not the same as what Jesus actually was talking about, which is more or less what St. Paul was talking about in the "renewing of the mind".
 
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Matt 28:19-20, The OP explains the repent & be water baptized to receive the Holy Spirit message for/to Jews ONLY.

Acts 10:45-49 is where/when (gentiles being grafted in) the message is inverted to Believe to receive the Holy Spirit & then partake in baptism.
Not correct.
  • The first Christian baptism occurred in Jerusalem, with 12 apostles to do the administration. Jewish people only.
  • The second Christian baptism occurred in Sameria with Phillip, Peter and John present to administrate baptism. Samaritians were not strictly of Jewish descent.
  • The third baptism was of a GENTILE the origin an Ethiopian. With Phillip only present. This is the last time it is recorded any of the 12 baptized.
  • The fourth baptism was when Ananias baptized Paul. No apostle present.
  • The fifth baptism was for the baptism of the gentiles. Peter was present but didn't baptize (10:48). Thus the apostolic pattern of the administration of baptism began. The apostles preached and assistants administered baptism.
 
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the message is inverted to Believe to receive the Holy Spirit & then partake in baptism.
There is no normative order of the Holy Spirit and baptism in the book of acts.

The gift of the HS may come immediately before baptism (Cornelius, Acts 10) immediately after baptism (Acts 8 & 19) or during baptism (Acts 2, 9:17).
 
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There is no normative order of the Holy Spirit and baptism in the book of acts.

The gift of the HS may come immediately before baptism (Cornelius, Acts 10) immediately after baptism (Acts 8 & 19) or during baptism (Acts 2, 9:17).
Do you agree or disagree with the OP. Is repent & be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit the message for today's Body of Christ?

Acts 2 & 9:17 are before the cited change in Acts 10.

Finally, would you be king enough to tell us when the Acts 8 convert received the H/s?
 
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Acts 2 & 9:17 are before the cited change in Acts 10.
What? What about Acts 22:16? The parallel passage of 9:17 is Acts 22:16 as it is the same event. Acts 9:17, 2:38 and 22:16 are similar. How can this 'CHANGE' occur for all times in Acts 10, when 22:16 states that no "change" occurred.

Credobaptists cite Acts 10 as normative due to their biased assumptions. YOU PROVE TO ME ACTS 10 is normative for all times and you can't.

All these instances of baptism in the book of Acts are purely descriptive. St. Luke gives us no clear example of this "change" you assert. If Scripture "clearly" did state there was a "change" and is prescriptively binding for all Christian everywhere to obey, then it would have been commented on in the early church and commented on clearly in the Reformation era.

Baptists don't have the market on interpretation of Scripture here.
 
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What? What about Acts 22:16? The parallel passage of 9:17 is Acts 22:16 as it is the same event. Acts 9:17, 2:38 and 22:16 are similar. How can this 'CHANGE' occur for all times in Acts 10, when 22:16 states that no "change" occurred.

Credobaptists cite Acts 10 as normative due to their biased assumptions. YOU PROVE TO ME ACTS 10 is normative for all times and you can't.

All these instances of baptism in the book of Acts are purely descriptive. St. Luke gives us no clear example of this "change" you assert. If Scripture "clearly" did state there was a "change" and is prescriptively binding for all Christian everywhere to obey, then it would have been commented on in the early church and commented on clearly in the Reformation era.

Baptists don't have the market on interpretation of Scripture here.
You didn't answer the questions I asked you.

Do you agree or disagree with the OP. Is repent & be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit the message for today's Body of Christ?

And would you be king enough to tell us when the Acts 8 convert received the H/s?

I'll try to address this reply after you address mine.
 
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And would you be king enough to tell us when the Acts 8 convert received the H/s?
Please do intense research on this passage in Acts 8, and inform members of CF if it is to be considered normative for all time.
 
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Israel had to repent of killing their promised Messiah in Acts 2:36 so it is not the same repentance that you can do now.

After all, you did not even exist at that time period.
I am not off the hook. If I had lived my life fulfilling my earthly objective without sinning Christ would not have had to die for me.
 
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Please do intense research on this passage in Acts 8, and inform members of CF if it is to be considered normative for all time.
Again, you won't answer my questions. Best wishes, JJ
 
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