Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

[Jipsah]

Nobody knows what, if any life exists outside our world.

True.

To think that none exist is just unrealistic to say the least

It's equally unrelistic to say that any exist. No evidence is no evidence.

. We have not explored the universe. We dont know.

Either way.

 

[trophy33]

I wonder, what about viruses, bacteria? If an alien visits some other planet with billions of these, its practically not possible to survive, without an immune system developed in the environment of this planet.

Also, alien viruses/bacteria they carry could wipe us out quickly, without having any immune system response to them.

Also, its hardly that they breathe exactly the same air we have here, with its composition and percentage of oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide.

So, a perpetual necessity to be in some kind of a space suite.

Another thing is logistics - even if they have technology to travel here from some distant solar system, where do they have their base, facilities, mothership, communication signals, simply infrastructure for being here?

 

[Jipsah]

In the UFO narrative - aliens evolved - some suppose they (ufo-aliens) are concerned that mankind is going off the rails. Evolution is king in that narrative not the Bible account of origins - so the longer a given race of beings evolves the more advanced they are, in that story. According to them - in theory we could meet good beings, or bad ones or neutral ones as far as I know - there is no limit that they put in their stories in that regard.

Most importantly, the whole narrative about "aliens " is pure fiction. There is no evidence that any "aliens" exist.

And yes, Bob, there are angels and demons, which I prefer to refer to as angels and demons just for the sake of clarity if nothing else. Is there any evidence to make one believe that UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS are either angels or demons? None at all.

 

[Jipsah]

Since actual sightings (real ones not hallucinations from drugs or fakes) are demons

According to outfits like NICAP and MUFON, roughly 90% of UFO sightings turn out to be entirely mundane stuff; mostly airplanes. Of the 10% that remain unidentified, there's simply not enough data to say what they were. The odds are very good that the 10% is prosaic stuff as well, we just don't know enough to say. No demons necessary.

 

[Jipsah]

Respectfully, Jipsah, with everyone and their brother holding a camera and video recorder in their pockets... as cell phones... the number of UFO sightings and recordings has grown exponentially.

Same old blurry out of focus rubbish, though, innit? If they were clear, you'd be able to make out the name of the airline on the side.<Laugh>

 

[Jipsah]

turns out - the Navy did not make an official statement in September saying that "swamp gas is a form of UFO".

If it's seen, and believed to be a flying object,then it's a UFO.

And swamp gas has never been clocked accelerating to 20 times the speed of sound.

What has? Was if glowing from the heat of its passage through the atmosphere? Did it do right angle turns at >Mach 20? Did it "disappear"? Did it do instantaneous 180 course changes? Then somebody got spoofed. Unless you're talking magic, in which case why the fake flying machine?

Michio Kaku 3:49 burden of proof shifts to UFO denier.

Playing games with the term "UFO" again. I find that both annoying and, frankly, dishonest. Tell me what my 1963 UFO was, a demon or a Klingon. It was certainly a UFO, since no one had seen anything like it, so I presume you'd say if was a demon joy-riding in a hypersonic pulse jet. Right?

Michio Kaku says the burden of proof has shifted to the government to demonstrate UFOs don't exist

And of course, "UFOs" certainly exist. Some of them are even swamp gas.

0:54 “What has changed what is different now?

Technology, for one thing. Remember this: things that "defied the laws of physics", didn't. You'll have reason to remember that truism one of these fine days.

Ponder this - I saw a man saw a woman in half once, after having levitated her. Shortly after he'd done so, she disappered from the box she'd been in, and reappeared on stage wholly unharmed.

It appeared to be magic. It wasn't.

We are at a tipping point the burden of proof has changed” It is now on those who want to make the case that UFOs are not what we are seeing. (Sept 2019)

Word games again Bob. Wearisome at best.

 

[Jipsah]

The problem with the man-made option is that these sightings by our military are cases where the objects are in or near military air space, are "on display" for days or weeks at a time and exhibit characteristics in flight centuries beyond our own. So why would a top-secret Russian or Chinese project want to constantly "out itself" specifically in front of our military for the past 20 years?

Misdirection. Read Sun-Tzu,

When we ourselves have not yet "discovered" the top secret program that our adversaries have?

Looking for the wrong thing,

Which then leads to the OP videos. if the non-Christian accepts the narrative as "science fact" then what is their incentive to accept Christianity and declare that UFO fact to "be of the devil" when it is supposedly accepted science observation fact?

What in fact does either scenario have to do with the Christian Faith?

 

[Jipsah]

I've never actually met a person who thought that. Maybe it's more common over on your side of the world.

Most UFOs are just that - UNIDENTIFIED. Could be anything. Some, I guaran-dang-tee you, are military tech.

 

[Jipsah]

Unless it was an experimental air craft from like Area 51 that they are tesitng exotic stuff! Dromnes can do almost a 180 near instantaneously.

Ponder this (and I'm hoping I'm not wandering into FBI-at-the-door territory now) they're not aircraft at all. Carried by aircraft, maybe, maybe not. Satellite controlled/propagated? I don't think so... but then again. Drones more likely. One stealth drone, or maybe a small swarm, lots of impossibly-high-performance bogies. Infra-red and RF (microwave?) spoofing... Visual? Dunno how that would work, but my tech knowledge was all civilian stuff, and it's all 20 years out of date now. Duct fan drones, no visible drive, disposable. Electric, no thermal sig, super small RCS, hostile aircraft sees what you want it to see.

Doable? Oh yes. Practical? Beats me; I just designed stuff for civilian PSTN phone systems, what do I know?

But seriously, flying saucers? Are we grown folks here?

But like I said- it doesn't disturb me in the least if there is life on other planets.

Ditto. But until they show up, I'm not gonna blame them for anything that's probably coming from right here.

 

[Jipsah]

K, this guy say's the maneuvers would rip apart an aircraft and kill the pilot.

But since these bogies have no mass, they can Defy The Laws of Physics,

He does say it could be Russians or Chinese

Chinese. The Russians are years behind. One stealth drone, dozens of magic bogies. Briliant! Gotta be the PRC, or US, or both.

 

[Jipsah]

Well like I said, in the unlikely event it is not a weapons system, it is demonic activity.

Now that I'm actually thinking about it, I'd lay 10 to one odds it's a large scale ECM system. The magic bogies are the key. Customizable based on whatever the boss thinks will best put the enemy off his game, having the bad guys wasting their expensive ordnance on phantoms.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

UFOs exist, aliens from some other star systems may not. We, as yet, have no evidence for such beings.

 

[Jipsah]

UFOs exist, aliens from some other star systems may not. We, as yet, have no evidence for such beings.

It's a matter of faith for many. "The universe is soooooo big...".-sigh-

 

[Sword of the Lord]

No. For two reasons.

1. God very well could have created other worlds and beings. The Scriptures we have, and the revelation we have, is for us.

2. The people telling us UFOs/Aliens are real, are the same people who lie about literally everything.

 

[FireDragon76]

No. For two reasons.

1. God very well could have created other worlds and beings. The Scriptures we have, and the revelation we have, is for us.

2. The people telling us UFOs/Aliens are real, are the same people who lie about literally everything.

Most UFO reports are obviously simple misidentification of airplanes, satellites, and birds, but there are more than a few reports from credible witnesses that don't seem to have mundane explanations. Like the 1964 Socorro, New Mexico incident. A police officer, Lonnie Zamora, reported he saw a craft land in a dried riverbead outside Socorro, New Mexico, and saw two occupants come out of it, then it took off once they noticed him. He was a trained police officer and a well-respected member of his community. Air Force investigators found physical traces on the ground of the arroyo, suggestive that the ground had been melted under very high heat. Vegetation was also scrorched in the area.

Lonnie Zamora incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FredVB]

Mistrust of science and trusting belief in conspiracies that are not proven is also deception, that has spread, and all that is not harmless either. It is involved preceding the fall and collapse of Mystery Babylon.

only in cases where science is accurate. one key feature of science is the agility to admit to huge blunders over time and turn from them. Those who marry their religion to some past or present blunder in science only to have science admit to the flaw at a later point - have a very "plastic" religion. That works well for science but not well at all for religion.

Mistakes are made with science, but it is not as likely as mistakes with trusting belief in conspiracies that are not proven, and marrying religious faith to trusting belief in conspiracies that are not proven will not work well. If it seems there is something in science that is a mistake find out what basis there is to say it is a mistake other than with claims that there is a conspiracy, without that being proven.

 

[Jipsah]

2. The people telling us UFOs/Aliens are real, are the same people who lie about literally everything.

UFOs are real. Anything, ANYTHING, be it animal, vegetable, mineral, fish, fowl, or what-have-you, that you see, that is apparently flying, and that you can't identify, IS A DADGUM UFO! That's what UFO means. If it's a bird, and you can't tell that it's a bird, IT'S A UFO! Same if it's an airplane, or a satellite, or the moon, or a shooting star, or whatever.

If you mean space ship or flying saucer, then for crying out loud say so!

 

[FredVB]

UFOs are real. Anything, ANYTHING, be it animal, vegetable, mineral, fish, fowl, or what-have-you, that you see, that is apparently flying, and that you can't identify, IS A DADGUM UFO! That's what UFO means. If it's a bird, and you can't tell that it's a bird, IT'S A UFO! Same if it's an airplane, or a satellite, or the moon, or a shooting star, or whatever.

If you mean space ship or flying saucer, then for crying out loud say so!

That is how I understand that. With that meaning I would say I saw a UFO. It was before dawn on the first workday of the year 2000. I never saw any space ship or flying saucer though. I do not believe that aliens from another planet will ever get here. We really do not know how we could go to another inhabited planet and I am sure we would never have technology that would make it possible, and so any on another inhabited planet would never be able to reach our world in any way. Wherever they would be it would be too far away. It would not be in this solar system or any star system near it. Any others on another inhabited planet would have to have their own lives without ever having our involvement ever.

What I say was just for a moment or so, brightly streaking through the sky and going quickly, it was like a missile, but without me hearing a sound. It was before I ever came on the internet and I never found any news about it, so it really is an unknown for me. I can only figure that it was a huge meteor that just skimmed the atmosphere high up and never hit the earth. But strangely there was never news that I saw about that which I really saw.

 

[Bobber]

C'mon, mate, nobody wants a boring mundane explanation of spooky phenomena. They want signs and wonders from Satan his own self. If it turns out that it was some prosaic workaday thing misidentified, or a glitch in the technology, or some kind of yawned like that, who want to believe it? We want aliens!

Undoubtedly this would be true for some or many. But it seems you're no different but you're maybe in the other extreme. You're wanting everything to fit into a materialist earthly mode.

 

[Jipsah]

Undoubtedly this would be true for some or many. But it seems you're no different but you're maybe in the other extreme. You're wanting everything to fit into a materialist earthly mode.

I'm not wanting to imagine stuff that isn't bloody there. You accept "aliens" on faith? I haven't the faith to spare on critters that I have no reason to believe exist at all. If you want to make aliens or chupacabras or boogermen part of your religious beliefs because it's somehow "spiritual", wear yourself out. I have no time for it. The Christian faith has not a doggone thing to say about aliens, at all, so AFSAIC I don't care a fig whether exist or not. If that's "materialist", sue me. Do steal a line from my brother ViaCrucis, "I'm religious, not spiritual". Saves me a lot of time worrying about stuff that isn't there.

(BTW - before you ask me about what I believe,read the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. They're short, they're on-line everywhere, ansd they'll give you a wonderfull concise explanation of my beliefs.)