Jesus was crucified on Thursday

[BPPLEE]

I am not interested in listening to Chuck Missler. In my lifetime I have read many theologians and they often disagree on key issues. I read Missler's belief that Jesus was crucified on the day before the annual Sabbath (Nisan 15)) and I knew then he was wrong on that issue, what other issues is he incorrect in? But I would like to exchange posts with you on this matter.

Did you ever consider the possibility that you could be wrong? I mean it is possible isn’t it?

 

[BPPLEE]

People have been finding hidden codes in the Bible for a number of years and it seems that they all don't agree. If there are such codes why weren't they recorded by the earliest followers? Why didn't Matthew, Mark, Luke, John Peter, Paul etc. ever say anything about them or even hint about them?

I’m not much on Bible codes. From what I understand people have found similar hidden “codes” in the Koran and even Moby Dick.
I do like Chuck Missler but I think he got carried away with codes and UFOs

 

[Der Alte]

Did you ever consider the possibility that you could be wrong? I mean it is possible isn’t it?

PMFBI Don't you think the same advice applies equally to yourself?

 

[BPPLEE]

PMFBI Don't you think the same advice applies equally to yourself?

I know I could be wrong. I never claimed to be the only one whose view had merit. There’s a good case for a Friday crucifixion. I just think there’s a good case for a Wednesday or Thursday too

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I am not interested in listening to Chuck Missler. In my lifetime I have read many theologians and they often disagree on key issues. I read Missler's belief that Jesus was crucified on the day before the annual Sabbath (Nisan 15)) and I knew then he was wrong on that issue, what other issues is he incorrect in? But I would like to exchange posts with you on this matter.

The reason I view these Bible teachers on Youtube is that I believe we need a teachable spirit and that just because I believe something it doesn't mean that it is objectively true. Missler himself says not to believe him at face value, but to apply Acts 17:11 and search the Scriptures for ourselves to confirm whether his teaching is Scriptural or not.

There is no point on you and I having a discussion about this topic, because all I will be doing regurgitation Missler's teaching, which I think make better sense than the 2 day version with a Friday crucifixion, which doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

People have been finding hidden codes in the Bible for a number of years and it seems that they all don't agree. If there are such codes why weren't they recorded by the earliest followers? Why didn't Matthew, Mark, Luke, John Peter, Paul etc. ever say anything about them or even hint about them?

Well, he makes sense to me, and supports it in the Scripture. I did make the time to view both parts of his more extensive teaching on it, plus his 24 session commentary on Genesis. I viewed him without prejudice, which I can do because I haven't had a whole lot of religious clap trap drummed into me already. His whole point is to show that the Bible was of extraterrestrial design by a Person outside of our space-time reality.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, he makes sense to me, and supports it in the Scripture. I did make the time to view both parts of his more extensive teaching on it, plus his 24 session commentary on Genesis. I viewed him without prejudice, which I can do because I haven't had a whole lot of religious clap trap drummed into me already. His whole point is to show that the Bible was of extraterrestrial design by a Person outside of our space-time reality.

Missler is a good teacher. He was actually a rocket scientist at one time. I just don’t care for the codes and the speculation about UFOs having something to do with the Nephilim

 

[Der Alte]

Well, he makes sense to me, and supports it in the Scripture. I did make the time to view both parts of his more extensive teaching on it, plus his 24 session commentary on Genesis. I viewed him without prejudice, which I can do because I haven't had a whole lot of religious clap trap drummed into me already. His whole point is to show that the Bible was of extraterrestrial design by a Person outside of our space-time reality.

Why did it take 2000 years +/-? What about all those generations which have come and gone without those hidden codes? I believe this is why there are some of the religious groups we see today.

 

[Der Alte]

I know I could be wrong. I never claimed to be the only one whose view had merit. There’s a good case for a Friday crucifixion. I just think there’s a good case for a Wednesday or Thursday too.

The "any day but Friday crucifixion" ignores the fact that all 4 gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on Parasceue, i.e. "Preparation", which in N.T. time through current time is the Greek name for the day we call Friday. At least one ECF Justin Martyr supports the Friday crucifixion. I don't know of any ECF who supports any other day.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Missler is a good teacher. He was actually a rocket scientist at one time. I just don’t care for the codes and the speculation about UFOs having something to do with the Nephilim

I prefer the teaching of Dr. Hugh Ross on UFOs. He is recognised as a world expert on UFOs by the U.S. military, and NASA. His Youtube video on UFOs is very enlightening. He says that 90% of the sightings involve errors in identification of Venus, reflected lights, hoaxes, etc. But he says that 1% are true sightings. He also says that the ones who have sighted genuine UFOs are also heavily involved in the occult. He also says that when a person renounces the occult, the sightings cease. So he concludes that UFOs are demonic in origin. Anyway watch the video in the link and come to your own conclusion:

 

[BPPLEE]

I prefer the teaching of Dr. Hugh Ross on UFOs. He is recognised as a world expert on UFOs by the U.S. military, and NASA. His Youtube video on UFOs is very enlightening. He says that 90% of the sightings involve errors in identification of Venus, reflected lights, hoaxes, etc. But he says that 1% are true sightings. He also says that the ones who have sighted genuine UFOs are also heavily involved in the occult. He also says that when a person renounces the occult, the sightings cease. So he concludes that UFOs are demonic in origin. Anyway watch the video in the link and come to your own conclusion:

Ross is an astrophysicist so he would know more about it I would think. But he tries to make the Bible and science line up and sometimes it’s not a good fit.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Did you ever consider the possibility that you could be wrong? I mean it is possible isn’t it?

SABER TRUTH TIGER
Yes, of course I could be wrong. I used to believe that Nisan 15 was a Sabbath. It never occurred to me that I could be wrong because I was in a cult and I never questioned what I had been taught about certain doctrines. I have since discovered I was wrong about a lot of things. There is a possibility, but the probability is very small because I have invested so much time in studying on this issue. On a scale of 1-100, with one being the very smallest probability and 100 be absolute certitude, I would say I am at about 95. How certain are you that you have the truth? Do you ever consider the possibility that you could be wrong?

 

[BPPLEE]

The "any day but Friday crucifixion" ignores the fact that all 4 gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on Parasceue, i.e. "Preparation", which in N.T. time through current time is the Greek name for the day we call Friday. At least one ECF Justin Martyr supports the Friday crucifixion. I don't know of any ECF who supports any other day.

If I remember correctly in the first 3 gospels Jesus eats the Passover meal with the disciples before he is arrested and crucified but in John’s gospel he is crucified on the preparation day of the Passover

 

[BPPLEE]

SABER TRUTH TIGER
Yes, of course I could be wrong. I used to believe that Nisan 15 was a Sabbath. It never occurred to me that I could be wrong because I was in a cult and I never questioned what I had been taught about certain doctrines. I have since discovered I was wrong about a lot of things. There is a possibility, but the probability is very small because I have invested so much time in studying on this issue. On a scale of 1-100, with one being the very smallest probability and 100 be absolute certitude, I would say I am at about 95. How certain are you that you have the truth? Do you ever consider the possibility that you could be wrong?

I know I could be wrong I’ve already said so. I’m glad you got out of the cult

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

The reason I view these Bible teachers on Youtube is that I believe we need a teachable spirit and that just because I believe something it doesn't mean that it is objectively true. Missler himself says not to believe him at face value, but to apply Acts 17:11 and search the Scriptures for ourselves to confirm whether his teaching is Scriptural or not.

There is no point on you and I having a discussion about this topic, because all I will be doing regurgitation Missler's teaching, which I think make better sense than the 2 day version with a Friday crucifixion, which doesn't make much sense to me.

SABER TRUTH TIGER
I would not like to hear Chuck Missler's teaching on why he feels Nisan 15 is a Sabbath but I would like to hear yours. Why do you find Missler convincing that Nisan 15 was an annual Sabbath in the Hebrew Scriptures?

 

[Der Alte]

If I remember correctly in the first 3 gospels Jesus eats the Passover meal with the disciples before he is arrested and crucified but in John’s gospel he is crucified on the preparation day of the Passover

And all four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on Parasceue the day before the Sabbath.Very clearly since Jesus knew He was going to crucified on Parsceue, He observed the Passover early since the Passover lamb was only a symbol of Jesus, Himself.

1 Corinthians 5:7-8​

(7) Clean out the old yeast so that you may be a new batch of dough – you are, in fact, without yeast. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.​

(8) So then, let us celebrate the festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of vice and evil, but with the bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.​

Mark 14:1​

(1) Two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the chief priests and the experts in the law were trying to find a way to arrest Jesus by stealth and kill him.​

John 19:14​

(14) (Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover, about noon.) Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!”​

John 18:28​

(28) Then they brought Jesus from Caiaphas to the Roman governor’s residence. (Now it was very early morning.) They did not go into the governor’s residence so they would not be ceremonially defiled, but could eat the Passover meal.​

John 18:39​

(39) But it is your custom that I release one prisoner for you at the Passover. So do you want me to release for you the king of the Jews?”​

 

[Der Alte]

The reason I view these Bible teachers on Youtube is that I believe we need a teachable spirit and that just because I believe something it doesn't mean that it is objectively true. Missler himself says not to believe him at face value, but to apply Acts 17:11 and search the Scriptures for ourselves to confirm whether his teaching is Scriptural or not.
There is no point on you and I having a discussion about this topic, because all I will be doing regurgitation Missler's teaching, which I think make better sense than the 2 day version with a Friday crucifixion, which doesn't make much sense to me.

I wonder why Chuck Missler does not take his own advice vs finding "hidden" codes which contradict scripture?

Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] First Apology Chap LXVII ​

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day [Sunday] rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); [i.e. Friday] and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.​

Constitutions of the Apostles - Book 5 Chapter XVII​

But do you observe carefully the vernal equinox, which occurs on the twenty-second of the twelfth month, which is Dystros (March), observing carefully until the twenty-first of the moon, lest the fourteenth of the moon shall fall on another week, and an error being committed, you should through ignorance celebrate the passover twice in the year, or celebrate the day of the resurrection of our Lord on any other day than a Sunday.​

 

[FireDragon76]

Jesus became our Passover Lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7), and He was crucified at the exact required time of the Old Testament passover lamb. That had to be on Wednesday evening, the preparation day.

Mark 15:42
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
KJV

John 19:30-31
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
KJV

You're correct that starting at sunset (beginning Thursday, a high day) was a different sabbath than the regular weekly sabbath. There were 2 sabbaths that week, the first one the "high day" required per the feast.

Wednesday, the preparation the passover to be sacrificed at evening = the time Lord Jesus was crucified and died on the cross. They then rushed to bury His body before sunset, because at sunset would begin (Thursday) a high day, a sabbath.

3 days and 3 night count required per Jesus:
Thursday sunset to morning = 1st night
Thursday morning to sunset = 1st day
Friday sunset to morning = 2nd night
Friday morning to sunset = 2nd day
Saturday sunset to morning = 3rd night
Saturday morning to sunset = 3rd day
End of 3 days and 3 nights.
Sunday began at sunset Saturday = sometime after sunset Jesus rose, and then was seen while it was still dark.

Jesus was killed around the time of the Passover but that doesn't mean he had to die on the exact date of the Passover for Christians to identify the OT story with him, as such. Ancient peoples did not think in such exacting terms when looking for significance.

The Gospels don't suggest Jesus died at sunset. They suggest he died in the afternoon. The ninth hour would have been around 3 pm.

Likewise, the traditional "three days" does not refer to a 72 hour period. People in the Mediterranean did not count in the manner we do today.

 

[FireDragon76]

The Jews do inclusive counting. the 1st day since would be the day on which the events occurred.

Romans did this as well. I learned this in Latin class in highschool (we also studied basic Latin maths and counting). It seems to have been ubiquitous to the region.

 

[BPPLEE]

Jesus was killed around the time of the Passover but that doesn't mean he had to die on the exact date of the Passover for Christians to identify the OT story with him, as such. Ancient peoples did not think in such exacting terms when looking for significance.

The Gospels don't suggest Jesus died at sunset. They suggest he died in the afternoon. The ninth hour would have been around 3 pm.

Likewise, the traditional "three days" does not refer to a 72 hour period. People in the Mediterranean did not count in the manner we do today.

Jhn 11:9 - Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
12 hours in a day and 12 hours in a night. 3 days equals 72 hours