Are we subject to the Old Covenant today?

[Gary K]

If you don't want to understand scripture dispensationally, you will have to build it.

OK. It will be my pleasure to do so. I thank God for my understanding of truth.

 

[Leaf473]

God spoke directly.to them, in a clear voice.

Please excuse my jumping in here, but I'm curious if God continued that practice to people throughout history who didn't have access to a Bible, in your view?

This came to my mind

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 19:1-2 - New American Standard Bible

The Works and the Word of God. - For the music director. A Psalm of David. The heavens tell of the glory of God; And their expanse declares the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Guojing]

Please excuse my jumping in here, but I'm curious if God continued that practice to people throughout history who didn't have access to a Bible, in your view?

This came to my mind

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 19:1-2 - New American Standard Bible

The Works and the Word of God. - For the music director. A Psalm of David. The heavens tell of the glory of God; And their expanse declares the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.

www.biblegateway.com

I believe God does that no more for this age, because of 1 Corinthians 13.

But once the Tribulation begins for Israel, God will do that again.

 

[Leaf473]

I believe God does that no more for this age, because of 1 Corinthians 13.

But once the Tribulation begins for Israel, God will do that again.

Okay... When did this age begin?

A random psalm

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 9:2 - New Century Version

I will be happy because of you; God Most High, I will sing praises to your name.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

I believe God does that no more for this age, because of 1 Corinthians 13.

But once the Tribulation begins for Israel, God will do that again.

The only way you can arrive at that understanding is to read your theology into 1Corinthians 13 for that is the "love" chapter.

 

[Guojing]

Okay... When did this age begin?

A random psalm

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 9:2 - New Century Version

I will be happy because of you; God Most High, I will sing praises to your name.

www.biblegateway.com

Different people will have different views.

1. At the birth of Christ
2. At the cross
3. At Pentecost Acts 2
4. After Paul was saved,
5. End of Acts 28

 

[Guojing]

The only way you can arrive at that understanding is to read your theology into 1Corinthians 13 for that is the "love" chapter.

Its a simple understanding of 1 Cor 13:13.

How would you understand that verse then?

 

[Cornelius8L]

Its a simple understanding of 1 Cor 13:13.

How would you understand that verse then?

I think that faith, hope, and love are how we respond to God in 1 Corinthians 13:13. It doesn't mean that all God has left us is faith, hope, and love. So, it doesn't seem to me that God will be silent. Also, Jesus' words (those promises) never pass away (Matthew 24:35, 1 Peter 1:25).

 

[Leaf473]

Different people will have different views.

1. At the birth of Christ
2. At the cross
3. At Pentecost Acts 2
4. After Paul was saved,
5. End of Acts 28

Well, those events are all long before the Canon of scripture was formed. Is the idea that God spoke directly to people in a clear voice in this age up until the canon was formed (385 sticks in my mind). Then once the canon was formed, God stopped speaking directly to people in a clear voice?

I'm just asking because it seems strange. Even after the canon, many people couldn't read, and Bibles were scarce because they were handwritten and therefore super expensive.

 

[Gary K]

Well, those events are all long before the Canon of scripture was formed. Is the idea that God spoke directly to people in a clear voice in this age up until the canon was formed (385 sticks in my mind). Then once the canon was formed, God stopped speaking directly to people in a clear voice?

I'm just asking because it seems strange. Even after the canon, many people couldn't read, and Bibles were scarce because they were handwritten and therefore super expensive.

You will hear many strange beliefs coming from dispensationalists, Their beliefs are taught in the Scofield Reference Bible and John Darby's version of the Bible. Both men were evil as they both abandoned their first families and Paul tells us that he that doesn't support his family is worse than an infidel.

Here is a link to an article on Scofield. There used to be a lot of information available on line about Darby too, but it has disappeared in the last several years because of the influence of their theology.

C. I. Scofield: Scoundrel, Shyster, and Scalawag

Blog about my journey out of religious fundamentalism. Film & book reviews. Biographical background on leading fundamentalists.

heresyintheheartland.blogspot.com

BTW, no church or denomination had ever published anything like dispensationalism before John Darby invented it in 1830.

 

[Guojing]

I think that faith, hope, and love are how we respond to God in 1 Corinthians 13:13. It doesn't mean that all God has left us is faith, hope, and love. So, it doesn't seem to me that God will be silent. Also, Jesus' words (those promises) never pass away (Matthew 24:35, 1 Peter 1:25).

You are of course free to see it that way.

That is why I phrased my statement with "I believe", and not "This is what scripture says". =)

 

[Guojing]

Well, those events are all long before the Canon of scripture was formed. Is the idea that God spoke directly to people in a clear voice in this age up until the canon was formed (385 sticks in my mind). Then once the canon was formed, God stopped speaking directly to people in a clear voice?

I'm just asking because it seems strange. Even after the canon, many people couldn't read, and Bibles were scarce because they were handwritten and therefore super expensive.

You were asking me "when the age begin".

That is a different question from "When did God stop speaking directly to people"?

Which question are you asking exactly?

 

[Guojing]

You will hear many strange beliefs coming from dispensationalists,

What about the belief that Genesis 6:14 was an instruction ONLY to Noah and no one else?

Would you consider that strange as well?

 

[Gary K]

What about the belief that Genesis 6:14 was an instruction ONLY to Noah and no one else?

Would you consider that strange as well?

No. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about all the stuff John Darby invented in 1830 and afterwards.

 

[Leaf473]

You were asking me "when the age begin".

Yes, because of your post earlier

I believe God does that no more for this age, because of 1 Corinthians 13.

That is a different question from "When did God stop speaking directly to people"?

Yes, they are different questions

Which question are you asking exactly?

Both! And possibly more to come

I'm curious about how this works. You're saying that from at least beginning of this age until the formation of the Canon of scripture, God spoke people directly to people in a clear voice.

Why do you say that God stopped at the formation of the canon?

 

[Gary K]

You are of course free to see it that way.

That is why I phrased my statement with "I believe", and not "This is what scripture says". =)

This is why I don't like dispensationalism. Too much I believe rather than scripture.

 

[Guojing]

Why do you say that God stopped at the formation of the canon?

That is what I believe in.

Of course, if I read or hear a Christian saying, "God be my witness, I heard him speaking to me an audible voice yesterday...", I will just smile and let it be. =)

 

[Guojing]

This is why I don't like dispensationalism. Too much I believe rather than scripture.

You misunderstood me.

Anyone can insist that what they believe is what scripture actually says.

Its take maturity to understand that we have a Egocentric bias in the way we understand scripture.

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[Guojing]

No. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about all the stuff John Darby invented in 1830 and afterwards.

So when a dispensationalist believe the same as you, you don't think those beliefs are strange?

 

[Leaf473]

That is what I believe in.

Of course, if I read or hear a Christian saying, "God be my witness, I heard him speaking to me an audible voice yesterday...", I will just smile and let it be. =)

Why do you believe that God stopped at the formation of the canon?