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Justification and Sanctification ?

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Either condemned in Adam or justified in Christ.
Notice were sinners in the past when they were not saved.

Ephesians 2- favorite calvie passage, notice it’s their past not present state.

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

Col 3- same here past not present

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality,impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of Godis coming.[b] 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old selfwith its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.


1 Cor 6- 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. Butyou were washed, you were sanctified,you were justified, in the name of the LordJesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
 
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The entire world is divided up between the fallen spiritual elohim (sons of God) who govern the people of their respective territories. God laid claim to the Hebrew people as His own and even took territory away from the elohim to give His own a promised land, but even they would turn to fallen ways. God ups the game with Jesus, a new physical son of God who did not succumb to fallen ways, whom the elohim thought they could destroy, but could not. As previously mentioned their ace up the sleeve of death was defeated.

Hence we have a choice whether to follow the kingdoms of man and the elohim and their will, or the Kingdom of God and His will. Simply following the political activities of man or turning on the tv, shows that the majority including christians still follow the ways of the world living in the spirit of the fallen elohim. Jesus was right when He said the only gospel was the Gospel of the Kingdom for He established it as being apart from the other kingdoms in earth and a true chance for all to be born again away from the kingdoms of man and elohim and like He was spirit made flesh, we could now become flesh made spirit. Quite simple and an easy choice even through there will be repercussions in the world of man and elohim where even religion is made complicated in order to confuse and men argue rather than simply proclaim the good news that we have an option. It was all Jesus taught and where the rich, the powerful, and the religious 'intellect' did not flock to Him, but it was the slaves, servants and women who were oppressed, not the oppressors. The same applies today. The rest of us seem to think we have too much to lose that this world has to offer if we comply.
 
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Notice were sinners in the past when they were not saved.

Ephesians 2- favorite calvie passage, notice it’s their past not present state.

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

Col 3- same here past not present

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality,impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of Godis coming.[b] 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old selfwith its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.


1 Cor 6- 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. Butyou were washed, you were sanctified,you were justified, in the name of the LordJesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
God justifies the ungodly, then become saints.
 
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Notice were sinners in the past when they were not saved.

Ephesians 2- favorite calvie passage, notice it’s their past not present state.

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
Yes Paul is speaking that believers once walked this way, saying that no one is excluded from that depiction of sinful nature, for by nature our WERE children of wrath, and it's in this condition that God save us. Paul is driving a point home that no one is righteous, no seeks after God.
Col 3- same here past not present

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality,impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of Godis coming.[b] 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old selfwith its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
He speaks to believers here, Nick. Not those Paul depicts in Ephesians 2 who seek only the pleasures of mind and flesh, by nature are children wrath!

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

This new life of the believer in Christ flows the fruits and signs of our Union with Christ! But this is not the cause of our Salvation but the effects of it. Man always trying to seek his glory anywhere he can, which is a sin Nick, it's called human pride, trying to exalt yourself, like the Pharisee, who boasts about his praying and fasting twice a week, and praying thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. A man of God will be humble, and will only boast on the Cross of Christ, never trying to find trust inside, but only on the Cross. His good works will flow from his justification in Christ through Faith Alone!​
1 Cor 6- 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. Butyou were washed, you were sanctified,you were justified, in the name of the LordJesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
Conflating Justification with Sanctification, two distinct doctrines.
 
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Good Day,
Christ as mediator:


Mediator:

Thayer Definition:

1) one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant

2) a medium of communication, arbitrator

DA Carson covers some of the OT text as they relate to Melchizedek (Hebrews 7 ), you should get His book to better understand OT usage in the NT.

https://www.uu.edu/audio/ryancenter/wordwithintheword-0409/042509-DACarson-Plenary3.mp3


Because of His Meditation we have peace, and the covenant is ratified by him. In his role as mediator and priest he does not fail all he meditates for have peace and are restored to God. Saved to the uttermost, unless if you contend that Jesus is unable to serve as an effective mediator.

Jesus says it best, unless you think that Jesus fails to fulfill the will of His Father. In His role as Mediator he can guarantee to lose that which the Father has given to him.

For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

In Him,

Bill

Your understanding of Lord Jesus' mediatory role does not harmonize with Lord Jesus' own understanding of his role as Mediator.
  • The Father gives to the Son those who believe in the Son, for that is the will of the Father.
  • Only believers in Lord Jesus will come to Lord Jesus for salvation.
  • Non- believers will not come to the Son to be saved.
  • All who believe in him are saved.
  • That is the will and the promise of God.
John 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. 40 {{{For}}} this is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

That is the Gospel Truth, that whosoever believes is saved (John 3:16).

Those who believe in Lord Jesus, evidenced by listening to and following him, will come to Lord Jesus to be saved. These are the sheep whom God gives to the Son to be saved, and of which no one can snatch from his hand.

John 10:27 My sheep hear (listen) my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give eternal life to {{{them}}}. {{{They}}} will never perish, and no one will snatch {{{them}}} out of my hand. 29 My Father who has given {{{them}}} to me is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

Who are the {{{them}}} and {{{they}}} whom the Father {{{gives}}} to the Son?

Answer: The Father gives to the Son those sheep who listen to and follow His Son. Those sheep who listen to and follow the Son are given eternal life and no one can snatch from his hand. The "Promise" is for those who believe; {{{for}}} that is the will of the Father (John 6:40).

By faith we are {{{made alive}}} in Christ Jesus, not before faith - that is "the Promise."

Galatians 3:21-22 (WEB) 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could {{{make alive}}}, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise {{{by faith}}} in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

To have faith, or to believe, is present and continuous. The believer is urged, commanded, admonished, and warned to remain in the faith to the end to inherit the Promise of God.

Hebrews 4:1 (WEB) {{{Let us}}} fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into His Rest.

Hebrews 6:11-12 (WEB) 11 We desire that each one of you may show the same diligence to the fullness of hope even to the end, 12 that you won’t be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and perseverance inherited the promises.

Romans 11:21-22 (WEB) 20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those {{{who fell}}}, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
 
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Your understanding of Lord Jesus' mediatory role does not harmonize with Lord Jesus' own understanding of his role as Mediator.
  • The Father gives to the Son those who believe in the Son, for that is the will of the Father.
  • Only believers in Lord Jesus will come to Lord Jesus for salvation.
  • Non- believers will not come to the Son to be saved.
  • All who believe in him are saved.
  • That is the will and the promise of God.
John 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me.

Good Day, Sets

Well thanks for sharing your thoughts maintain Jesús as the ever living mediator of the NC and in that role he does not fail ( we because of Him have Peace with God). Clearly your understanding of Mediation (function) in the OC and how it is better (functions) in NC is sorely lacking.

All those whom the Father gives me will come to me.

This verse contains one verb that God does, and a verbal construction (phrase) that has Modal verb. The dependent nature of the phrase to the main verb is clear.

The Giving of the Farther proceeds the coming , they come because they are given. Yes only believers come.

So you seem to assert that the giving (Main Verb) by the Father is dependent on another verb (believe) where is that in the text.

The sentence with all it grammatical structures makes perfect sense.... so where in the text is the other verb you assert?



He who comes to me I will in no way throw out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. 40 {{{For}}} this is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

That is the Gospel Truth, that whosoever believes is saved (John 3:16).

Those who believe in Lord Jesus, evidenced by listening to and following him, will come to Lord Jesus to be saved. These are the sheep whom God gives to the Son to be saved, and of which no one can snatch from his hand.

John 10:27 My sheep hear (listen) my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give eternal life to {{{them}}}. {{{They}}} will never perish, and no one will snatch {{{them}}} out of my hand. 29 My Father who has given {{{them}}} to me is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

Who are the {{{them}}} and {{{they}}} whom the Father {{{gives}}} to the Son?

Answer: The Father gives to the Son those sheep who listen to and follow His Son. Those sheep who listen to and follow the Son are given eternal life and no one can snatch from his hand. The "Promise" is for those who believe; {{{for}}} that is the will of the Father (John 6:40).

By faith we are {{{made alive}}} in Christ Jesus, not before faith - that is "the Promise."

Galatians 3:21-22 (WEB) 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could {{{make alive}}}, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise {{{by faith}}} in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

To have faith, or to believe, is present and continuous. The believer is urged, commanded, admonished, and warned to remain in the faith to the end to inherit the Promise of God.

Hebrews 4:1 (WEB) {{{Let us}}} fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into His Rest.

Hebrews 6:11-12 (WEB) 11 We desire that each one of you may show the same diligence to the fullness of hope even to the end, 12 that you won’t be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and perseverance inherited the promises.

Romans 11:21-22 (WEB) 20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those {{{who fell}}}, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Sets

Well thanks for sharing your thoughts maintain Jesús as the ever living mediator of the NC and in that role he does not fail ( we because of Him have Peace with God). Clearly your understanding of Mediation (function) in the OC and how it is better (functions) in NC is sorely lacking.

You may have noticed that you have to reject almost the entire New Testament to hold onto your interpretation of isolated quotes.
  • The Scriptures do not teach that God gives life before believing.
  • The Scriptures do not teach that God gives life (regeneration) so you can irresistibly believe.
  • None of the Scriptures teach that God guarantees the faith of anyone; rather, the continuous theme of the Scriptures is that salvation is guaranteed to all who believe and remain in that faith to the end.
2 Timothy 2:12-14 (EWEB)
12 If we endure, we will also reign with him.
If we deny him, he also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless, he remains faithful; for he can’t deny himself.”
14 Remind {{them}} of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord

God is faithful to his promises, and we who believe must also remain faithful to inherit the promises, that is the promise of God.

Hebrews 4:1 (EWEB) Let us fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his Rest.

Hebrews 4:11 (EWEB) 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that Rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 6:11-12 (EWEB) 11 We desire that each one of you may show the same diligence to the fullness of hope even to the end, 12 that you won’t be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and perseverance inherited the promises.

The indwelling Spirit is the guarantee of salvation only to those who remain in the faith manifested by drinking (John 7:37-38), living (Romans 8:12-14), walking (Romans 8:3-4; Galatians 5:24-25), or sowing to the Spirit (Galatians 6:7-9):

John 7:37-38 (WEB) 37 Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! (present and continuous drinking) 38 He who believes (present and continuous believing) in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.

The Spirit leads to Life the believer who follows, putting to death the misdeeds of the body by the Spirit.

Romans 8:12-14 (NIV) 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation — but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. 14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

Romans 8:3-4 (WEB) 3 For what the law couldn’t do; in that, it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk (present and continuous walking) not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:24-25 (NIV) 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

The indwelling Spirit gives the believer eternal life if the believer sows to the Spirit without giving up.

Galatians 6:7-9 (WEB) Do not be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap destruction. But he who sows to the Spirit will {{{from the Spirit}}} reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we do not give up.

Continue on your way then.
 
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The NT does not attempt to present a logical order of the Holy Spirit's ministries in salvation.

Jn 3:3-5 makes clear the origin of it all. . .no one can even see, much less believe in, the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
Strawman. . .
See the kingdom of God is based on the fact that you are able to enter the Kingdom of God. Besides, there is no verse in Scripture that says you must be born again so as to believe. I already proven the Calvinistic timing of being born again to be false. Peter says we are born again by the Word of God (like Scripture).
 
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See the kingdom of God is based on the fact that you are able to enter the Kingdom of God. Besides, there is no verse in Scripture that says you must be born again so as to believe. I already proven the Calvinistic timing of being born again to be false. Peter says we are born again by the Word of God (like Scripture).

Very true. And John 3, when read in context, actually explains how we are born again, which, as you wrote, is by believing in Lord Jesus because of the Gospel Word.

In response to being “born again” (John 3:8), Nicodemus’ question “How can these things be?(John 3:9), is answered by Lord Jesus in “John 3:13-18.” Lord Jesus would not deny Nicodemus an answer to his sincere question. Lord Jesus is teaching to Nicodemus, and to all of us, that the new birth of the Spirit is the eternal life of God, and is by faith.

Here is the context:

John 3:13-18 (EWEB) 9 Nicodemus answered him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and don’t understand these things? 11 Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don’t receive our witness. 12 If I told you earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 [Lord Jesus now explains the new birth of the Spirit] No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven. 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Regeneration (to pass from Death to Life) only occurs by Faith:

John 5:24 (EWEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has {{passed out of death into life}}.

God does not show favoritism or partiality. The Gift of God is offered to all, but is received and guaranteed to all who believe [continuous faith], for the gift of God, the Promise of God, is eternal life, and is by faith in Lord Jesus (John 3:16).
 
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See the kingdom of God is based on the fact that you are able to enter the Kingdom of God.
Who made that rule?
Besides, there is no verse in Scripture that says you must be born again so as to believe.
What do you think Jn 3:3-5 means when it says you can't even see, much less believe in, the kingdom of God unless you are born again?
 
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Who made that rule?

What do you think Jn 3:3-5 means when it says you can't even see, much less believe in, the kingdom of God unless you are born again?
Again, the context says “enter” the kingdom of God. If I enter a city, and I said I can “see” that city, you would not take that to mean that I was talking about watching or seeing the message that city was giving that day. The concept being expressed here is salvation and not enablement. You are trying to insert Calvinism into the text instead of letting the text speak for itself.

But again, what do you make of Peter saying we are born by the word of God?
 
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Who made that rule?

What do you think Jn 3:3-5 means when it says you can't even see, much less believe in, the kingdom of God unless you are born again?
Jesus marveled at the great faith of the centurion. Obviously, Jesus was not marveling at what the Father does but what the centurion did.
 
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Again, the context says “enter” the kingdom of God.
The text states "see," and nothing else in the text indicates that is a mistake.
But again, what do you make of Peter saying we are born by the word of God?
In the elect, hearing the word of God is the occasion for regeneration, faith, justfication, salvation.
 
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Jesus marveled at the great faith of the centurion. Obviously, Jesus was not marveling at what the Father does but what the centurion did.
No centurion in Jn 3:3-5 in my Bible.
 
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Without getting into a debate the vast majority of Christians agree on the following explanation ... :)
Justification means being declared righteous, "(just as if we'd never sinned); while sanctification means growing in righteousness.​

Some may differ on interpretation, but the purpose of this thread is your interpretation of Romans 7 - especially verses 17-20. Do you interpret Romans 7:17-20 that Paul is as much as saying that he finds it difficult to stop sinning even after (not before) his "born again" conversion (Titus 3:5).

17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.​

How does one grow in righteousness if they can't seem to stop their sinning ... "Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.” (John 5:14) and "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ... from now on sin no more." (John 8:10-11).

He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we have done, but because of His own compassion and mercy, by the cleansing of the new birth (spiritual transformation, regeneration) and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5)
I think the Protestant version of “Justification” is not really biblical (Important Note: To the general reader who is just joining our discussion: Please take note I am not Catholic or Orthodox; I am a Trinitarian non-denominational Christian who believes in the “Bible alone + the Anointing to Understand It“). Okay. So how does the Bible describe justified or Justification? Well, We are justified by Christ (Galatians 2:17). We are also justified freely by his grace (Romans 3:24). We are justified by His blood (Romans 5:9). We are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God (1 Corinthians 6:11). We are justified by faith (Romans 5:1). In fact, we are justified by faith without the deeds of the Law (Romans 3:28) or justified without the works of the Law (Galatians 2:16). But yet, the Bible also says we are also justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). We are also justified by our words (Matthew 12:37).

Yes, justified means to be declared righteous. But we have to live out our whole Christian life by faith (which includes the work of faith) to access the saving grace of God (Romans 5:2). While Hebrews 11:3 describes faith as a belief alone, it also describes faith as doing things, as well. “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;” (Hebrews 11:7). James 2:21 says, “Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” Yet, Hebrews 11:17 tells us that this same event was ”by faith.” For it is written in Hebrews 11, “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17).

Yes, believers are first saved by God’s grace without works in their inital salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9).
But believers also need to sow to the Spirit in “well doing” (good works) to reap everlasting life, too (Galatians 6:8-9).
Believers do need to live holy lives after they are saved by God’s grace and mercy; For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). We are told to be not deceived in that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

For quick review and not as an exhaustive study: Sanctification or Being Sanctified has two major different usages in the Bible.

#1. Believers are Sanctified or washed (made holy, regenerated, born again) by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5) (1 Corinthians 6:11) after they are first saved initially by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior.​
#2. Believers are to enter the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life over the course of their whole life (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Galatians 6:8-9) (Romans 8:13) (2 Corinthians 7:1).​

Believers cannot justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved by using Romans 7:14-24, 1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15 as an excuse to sin. Jude 1:4 warns against those who turn God’s grace into a license for immorality (or lasviiousness).

Anyways, I hope this write up edifies you, and may the Lord Jesus bless you, and your family.
 
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Side Note on Sanctification (in my above post):

Yes, I do realize that “sanctify” or “sanctified” does have other applications in the Bible, but I mentioned to the two top big ones we need to focus on in this life. Yes, we do need to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:” (1 Peter 3:15) and perhaps I should have included that. But I see the two greatest sanctifications of God are of key importance for our lives. Perhaps in another upcoming post I will provide the other different types of Sanctification (Lord willing) as more of an complete list.

May God’s abundant grace and mercy shine upon you all this fine day that He has made.

Praise the Lord Jesus for His goodness.
 
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I think the Protestant version of “Justification” is not really biblical (Important Note: To the general reader who is just joining our discussion: Please take note I am not Catholic or Orthodox; I am a Trinitarian non-denominational Christian who believes in the “Bible alone + the Anointing to Understand It“).
By that do you mean its more beholding to Calvin's theology ... who was most influenial in the 16th century "forensic" thinking?

Yes, we do need to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:” (1 Peter 3:15). ... "need the sanctification of" ....
 
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Side Note on Sanctification (in my above post):

Yes, I do realize that “sanctify” or “sanctified” does have other applications in the Bible, but I mentioned to the two top big ones we need to focus on in this life. Yes, we do need to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:” (1 Peter 3:15) and perhaps I should have included that. But I see the two greatest sanctifications of God are of key importance for our lives. Perhaps in another upcoming post I will provide the other different types of Sanctification (Lord willing) as more of an complete list.
Would 1 Peter 3:15 read better as ... "but (justify) Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;"

IF not would that be because Christians for the most part have been indoctrinated as to the meaning of "justification" but not so much when it comes to "santification".?​
 
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By that do you mean its more beholding to Calvin's theology ... who was most influenial in the 16th century "forensic" thinking?

Yes, we do need to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:” (1 Peter 3:15). ... "need the sanctification of" ....
Good Day, Abba

It seems from an Historical prospective the view expressed here would be consistent with post Trent Roman Catholic theology.

Roman Catholic View of Justification (Part 1): Luther and the Reformation with R.C. Sproul


Part 2



The historical Protestant view is that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to his children and their righteous is a divine declaration (Just) by ( the means) of faith alone which is granted by God to adopted children. That Faith always find it's object to be Christ.

Being justified by faith, we have peace with God.

Sanctification is something that is done to you by God though His Sprit and the word we are being conformed to the image of Christ.

If there is no sanctification then there was never any Justification.

Murray does a great Job here: "Definitive Sanctification" by John Murray

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Bill
 
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By that do you mean its more beholding to Calvin's theology ... who was most influenial in the 16th century "forensic" thinking?

Yes, we do need to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:” (1 Peter 3:15). ... "need the sanctification of" ....
Good Day, Abba

Here is a good overview of Calvin's thoughts by Chuck Colson.



This is also good:


You can read His institutes here:


In Him,

Bill
 
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