Is the creation debate over?

[Job 33:6]

The stance among Gap Theorists is that the word create (bara) means a new thing from God. (I would expand this to a new design from God) and make (asah) meaning anything God works on he has made, so making 'create' a subset of 'made'

Genesis 1 uses the phrase 'it was so' 6 times and perhaps 7 with the modified 'it was so; to 'was' in Gen 1:3
I suggest the ‘it was so’ has a plain text and obvious meaning. I suggest it is a confirmation of Gap Theory as it is referring to life or the cosmos in the previous creation. ‘It used to be that way’ (in the first creation). Note the way ‘it was so’ is never used when the word created (‘bara’) is used. ‘Bara’ is used for man and whales and birds, all of which are not in the original creation in Gap Theory as I present it-more later. They cannot be subject to ‘it was so’ as they were not there.
This is consistent with ‘bara’ meaning a new creation from God. And explains the omission of ‘it was so ‘ from some days or from some day 6 statements. (Gen 1:20-23) (Gen 1:26-27) (Gen 1:28).
Genesi 1:29-30 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so
Note how animals are vegetarians and have an added ’it was so’ whereas. man also is described as a vegetarian but he does not get the ‘it was so’ added. Why?
In effect any reference to man or a new creation (bara) bars the use of 'it was so' as they are not in the original creation.

'It was so what' you say? Well, there is a double narrative running right through Genesis 1 and 2 that, IMO, confirms Gap Theory beyond any doubt, every word in every verse, The double narrative first identified by Paul the Apostle in 2 Cor 4;6 but being extendable to both chapters and the whole only works with Gap theory and I believe with all my heart I can prove it.

Genesis Similitudes

Genesis 29 is not describing vegetarian animals or people:

 

[jameslouise]

Genesis 29 is not describing vegetarian animals or people:

Hi thanks for the reply, i watched the video and found it interesting and considered but without a gap theory framework things soon fall apart. I do not agree wit him about teeth design( i am a dentist btw) as we are talking about plants 30 feet high and trees 300 feet high so very fibrous dense vegatation, So entirely plausible that these serrated teeth are needed.
29.And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat
30.And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so
i think the key to this is 'wherein there is life' ie animals with a neohesh chayyah spirit. Nothing in the text prevents non nephesh chayah eating each other. The scorpions (and all insects,microbes and plants for that matter) in the video.
A previous creation is perfect with no death of spirit filled animals , Satan fall and wreaks havoc death of nephesh chayyah animals occurs and predation enters the world. It is judged and remade some millions of years later and made perfect again.. The same happens again. every fossil layer explained and all in the bible here.

home-the history of everything 1

Here is a question for you why does verse 29 have an 'it was so' statement after it but verse 30 not? The answer is in the link

 

[jameslouise]

Genesis 29 is not describing vegetarian animals or people:

Hi thanks for the reply, i watched the video and found it interesting and considered but without a gap theory framework things soon fall apart. i dp not agree wit him about teeth design( i am a dentist btw) as we are talking about plants 30 feet high and trees 300 feet high. So, entirely plausible that these serrated teeth are needed
GEN 1 :29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Tthis is just man until the fall and there is vast amount of life before then and after the fall too. So just a small window
Gen 1:30
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so
wherein there is life is the key to this verse, this meanog animals wit ha spirit and soul. So none nephesh chayyh animals can eat each other.- they will not be vegetarian. The scorpion in the video
Like wise this text the same but the additional use of it was so means it will be applying to a previous creation too. Note the way verse29 does not have an 'it was so' statement but verse 30 does. I will give you a reason for this too. home-the history of everything 1

 

[Davy]

Thanks for the reply, your time is appreciated but i think your '100% certainty' might take a hammering. There is most definitely a prophetic tread that runs through Genesis 1 and 2, every verse every word. It is all scriptural-Paul the apostle referenced it as did our Lord Jesus Christ. This is NEW THING, you will not have heard it before. this is new insight, you just gotta read it.

Genesis Similitudes

Don't pay attention to the non-believers here about the Gap idea. You are correct to believe it, and by doing so with prayer God will reveal more about in His Word to you as you continue to do Bible study for yourself. Many of those who don't understand the Gap is because they don't want to, because they think it's an idea that Christ's enemies have come up with to debunk the idea of God's creation. It's not, as there's quite a bit of Scripture that covers the event. And the Bible student won't fully understand about Satan's original rebellion until they begin to understand it.

I worked with an engineer that was pretty heavy into science, but he was a Christian and he told me he had trouble with believing the history of this earth is only about 6,000 years old. I told him that 6,000 year old theory actually got started back after the 17th century with bishop Ussher's chronology of the history of the world. Ussher went backwards from the time of Jesus per all the Old Testament begats, and set the date of the man Adam formed in God's Garden at 4004 B.C. So many based on Ussher's chronology assumed the earth was only around 6,000 years old, when in reality Ussher had to stop at 4004 B.C. because there was no other historical record of anyone born earlier before Adam.

I also gave the engineer a copy of a study I once did on the Gap idea. He said nothing. Then about 2 years later, he came to me at work excited, and told me the Christian Church he goes to has a teaching Hebrew scholar. He said the guy preached about the Gap, translating from the Hebrew. So I asked my friend how did other folks there respond, and he said the majority appeared to have question marks on their faces. He said he nudged his wife and asked if she understood, and she said she didn't have a clue what the preacher was talking about.

What the Genesis Scripture actually reveals, even with a simple KJV translation, and going into the Hebrew, is that Genesis 1:1 was God's original 'perfect' creation in the beginning. Then Genesis 1:2 is a view of that original perfect earth in a state of destruction, with flood waters covering over all the earth. The Hebrew tohu va bohu translated to "without form, and void" actually means 'a waste and an undistinguishable ruin". The Jeremiah 4:23-28 Scripture is a further detail description of the state of the earth at Genesis 1:2.

Something happened in between the Genesis 1:1 verse of God's original creation, and Genesis 1:2 that shows the earth was in a waste condition by a flood. It was Satan's original rebellion in coveting God's throne.

In Romans 8:18-25, Apostle Paul is pointing to the idea of God having made the creation "subject to vanity", and placed into "bondage of corruption". Paul says the creature seeks a release from that, along with the manifestation of the sons of God (i.e. future glory of the world to come). It's important to really stop and think about Paul's idea there. Just 'when'... did God place His creation in this state? And how is today's creation appear to have been "subjected to vanity", and in "bondage to corruption"? Afterall, isn't today's creation that God made perfect?

NO! Today's creation is in bondage to corruption; that's why everything in this present world decays and dies. Although today's creation still is beautiful, Paul shows it still cannot be compared to the the world to come when it is released from bondage. Does that stir any ideas in your mind of how the creation might... have before... God placed it into "bondage of corruption"? It should, because when... was His creation NOT in corruption?

Jer 4:23-28
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJV

That is an explanation from God of the state of the earth at Genesis 1:2. That is a repeat of that Hebrew tohu va bohu of "without form, and void", being a state of destruction upon the earth, by God's fierce anger.

The idea that the "without form, and void" translation means the literal earth matter was not created yet, and it was just in a state of nothingness, or a gas ether, actually IS... a scientific theory, and NOT actually written in the Hebrew manuscripts! A simple lookup of the Hebrew word tohu in all the places where it was translated to English, one will discover in the majority of cases it's about something that originally was in a good state that went into a waste or nothing condition. That reveals the earth having already been created before Genesis 1:2.

Therefore, the Gap suggests in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 was an indeterminable amount of time, and Satan's original rebellion caused God's "fierce anger" to bring a destruction upon the earth back then, using waters of a flood.

Then at Genesis 1:6-7 God is taking some of the waters overspread upon the earth, and moving them up into the sky around the earth, creating the firmament (today's sky) around the earth. The rest of the waters remained still covering the whole earth. Then at Genesis 1:9-10, God moves those waters left upon the earth to make the dry land appear (actually re-appear). That left holes in today's sky...

When God said in Jeremiah 4:28, "For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black:", that is about this present creation's imperfect weather of storms, etc. What causes today's violent weather systems is because of the holes in the sky atmosphere around the earth. The sun beads down upon the earth through those sky holes and heats up the ground, and evaporates water, which goes upward into the sky, because hot air rises. Then the cold air up in the atmosphere drops and mixes with that warm air, causing turbulence and thus violent storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, etc.

If all those holes in the sky atmosphere were plugged, then the earth's temperatures would be even all around the earth, even at the earth's poles. There's actually evidence that suggests that's how this old earth was before, with tropic vegetation and tropic animal life found at both the earth's poles. This is how scientific evidence suggests the earth once was, even with the woolly mammoth found frozen buried in ice still with undecayed buttercups in its mouth and stomach. It had been caught grazing in a open lush green field, and buried suddenly by a flood of waters which then froze instantly. Scientists are puzzled about that. But those who understand what happened with God ending that old 1st world earth age when Satan rebelled, it all makes sense.

All the seas and oceans on the earth today used... to originally be up in the sky atmosphere plugging all those holes in the sky. The whole... earth was originally like a Paradise in God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1. There was NO waters upon the earth except the rivers being fed from God's River out from His throne. Revelation 21 reveals a return of God's River, and no more sea, meaning the waters and seas and oceans upon today's creation have to go somewhere (back up into plugging those sky holes of this 2nd world earth age creation). Revelation, and Ezekiel 47, suggests God is going to return... His original PERFECT creation like it was, and probably even better, in the world to come (i.e., the new heavens and a new earth of 2 Peter 3).

 

[GenemZ]

The stance among Gap Theorists is that the word create (bara) means a new thing from God. (I would expand this to a new design from God) and make (asah) meaning anything God works on he has made, so making 'create' a subset of 'made'

Genesis 1 uses the phrase 'it was so' 6 times and perhaps 7 with the modified 'it was so; to 'was' in Gen 1:3
I suggest the ‘it was so’ has a plain text and obvious meaning. I suggest it is a confirmation of Gap Theory as it is referring to life or the cosmos in the previous creation.

What the Gap folks failed to see is that even though the Hebrew will render "it was so." Its expressed with the understanding of "it became."
Gap proponents try to make it say "it became" when the Hebrew does not literally say it overtly.


At present I am not able to locate my reference. In it it was noted that it is stated in the Masoretic Text that a Hebrew notation is there to show that one must take a pause between Genesis 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

Why that pause? (for dramatic effect)

The Torah was always read publicly by Moses to the many hearers. They did not read along with the speaker. It was like the days of radio when the listener was to use their imagination to picture a scene being acted out with sound only. The pause was a dramatic effect like we see done in certain movies to fade out, and then fade back into another scene. The next scene that is introduced could transport you to another time, or place.

The classic movie " A Christmas Carol" is a wonderful example of this "fade out" technique. For when Scrooge would be visited by the ghosts of Christmas past - Christmas present - and Christmas future? There was always a fade out scene between the ghosts taking him to what was needed to be seen.

Good example: Ghost of Christmas past. After the fade out into the next scene you would find yourself witnessing to a past Christmas. Everyone was younger and doing what they di in the past. But? It was viewed from a position as if it were taking place in the present. That is what the Hebrew intended for Genesis 1:2. It took place in the past, but was being shown as if you were present when it took place.

That is in effect what is found in Genesis 1:2. For the Hebrew thinking listener had to know that God would not have created the earth in the destroyed chaotic state the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 indicates. It states it as if you were there and viewing it in the present.

There lies the dilemma. For the Hebrew speaking listener would know that God could not have created the earth that way, and it had to become that way. But the way it became in the past? Was shown as taking place in the present. The oral teaching of the account was presented as dramatic presentation to capture the imagination of the hearers.

grace and peace ...............................

 

[Davy]

What the Gap folks failed to see is that even though the Hebrew will render "it was so." Its expressed with the understanding of "it became."
Gap proponents try to make it say "it became" when the Hebrew does not literally say it overtly.


At present I am not able to locate my reference. In it it was noted that it is stated in the Masoretic Text that a Hebrew notation is there to show that one must take a pause between Genesis 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

Why that pause? (for dramatic effect)

The Torah was always read publicly by Moses to the many hearers. They did not read along with the speaker. It was like the days of radio when the listener was to use their imagination to picture a scene being acted out with sound only. The pause was a dramatic effect like we see done in certain movies to fade out, and then fade back into another scene. The next scene that is introduced could transport you to another time, or place.

The classic movie " A Christmas Carol" is a wonderful example of this "fade out" technique. For when Scrooge would be visited by the ghosts of Christmas past - Christmas present - and Christmas future? There was always a fade out scene between the ghosts taking him to what was needed to be seen.

Good example: Ghost of Christmas past. After the fade out into the next scene you would find yourself witnessing to a past Christmas. Everyone was younger and doing what they di in the past. But? It was viewed from a position as if it were taking place in the present. That is what the Hebrew intended for Genesis 1:2. It took place in the past, but was being shown as if you were present when it took place.

That is in effect what is found in Genesis 1:2. For the Hebrew thinking listener had to know that God would not have created the earth in the destroyed chaotic state the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 indicates. It states it as if you were there and viewing it in the present.

There lies the dilemma. For the Hebrew speaking listener would know that God could not have created the earth that way, and it had to become that way. But the way it became in the past? Was shown as taking place in the present. The oral teaching of the account was presented as dramatic presentation to capture the imagination of the hearers.

grace and peace ...............................

The English rendering to "was" in Genesis 1:2 is the LEAST... of Scripture proofs that supports the Gap idea. So dwelling too much just on that one word reveals suspicious Bible scholarship.

 

[GenemZ]

The English rendering to "was" in Genesis 1:2 is the LEAST... of Scripture proofs that supports the Gap idea. So dwelling too much just on that one word reveals suspicious Bible scholarship.

Here is something to take some time to contemplate,,,,

Jeremiah was called by God to prophesy against the degenerated rebellious Jews in his day.
They were performing ritual sex orgies to other gods in the "high places," and were sacrificing their children into fire to raise up their eroticism level! The Lord was furious with them.

The Lord gave them through Jeremiah a prophecy of horrendous judgment.

What was used by Jeremiah to indicate the kind of destruction they were to face from God? "Genesis 1:2"

Genesis 1:2, as the Hebrew meant it, was speaking of utter destruction and ruin.

Don't believe it?

Jeremiah 4:23 was spoken in the Hebrew to the rebellious Jews about to come under God's fierce judgement.
The Jews were to know how severe the judgment on their land was to be.
Modern translations water it down and turn it into something misleading. "Empty and void."

Those who adhere to the Gap understanding know the intent of the Hebrew.
Those who reject it run to some modern translation which obscures its true Hebrew intensity and meaning!

Here is Jeremiah's prophecy containing Genesis 1:2 in its context:

23 I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone. (Genesis 1:2!)
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the Lord, before his fierce anger.

27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."​

The last verse - 27 - was given to tell the Jews that unlike Genesis 1:2, their land would not end up being like Genesis 1:2 as it fully means in the Hebrew!

For that reason they had to be told that their people and land would not be utterly destroyed and ruined as found in Genesis 1:2!

Those Jews understanding Jeremiah's Hebrew knew that Genesis 1:2 was speaking of a total ruin and destruction of the old earth.

27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.

​

After hearing Genesis 1:2 cited by Jeremiah they needed to be told that their judgment would not be as severe as what happened to the earth in Genesis 1:2! "tohu wa bohu!"

.​

 

[Davy]

Here is something to take some time to contemplate,,,,

Jeremiah was called by God to prophesy against the degenerated rebellious Jews in his day.
They were performing ritual sex orgies to other gods in the "high places," and were sacrificing their children into fire to raise up their eroticism level! The Lord was furious with them.

The Lord gave them through Jeremiah a prophecy of horrendous judgment.

What was used by Jeremiah to indicate the kind of destruction they were to face from God? "Genesis 1:2"

Genesis 1:2, as the Hebrew meant it, was speaking of utter destruction and ruin.

Don't believe it?

Jeremiah 4:23 was spoken in the Hebrew to the rebellious Jews about to come under God's fierce judgement.
The Jews were to know how severe the judgment on their land was to be.
Modern translations water it down and turn it into something misleading. "Empty and void."

Those who adhere to the Gap understanding know the intent of the Hebrew.
Those who reject it run to some modern translation which obscures its true Hebrew intensity and meaning!

Here is Jeremiah's prophecy containing Genesis 1:2 in its context:

23 I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone. (Genesis 1:2!)
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the Lord, before his fierce anger.

27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."​

The last verse - 27 - was given to tell the Jews that unlike Genesis 1:2, their land would not end up being like Genesis 1:2 as it fully means in the Hebrew!

For that reason they had to be told that their people and land would not be utterly destroyed and ruined as found in Genesis 1:2!

Those Jews understanding Jeremiah's Hebrew knew that Genesis 1:2 was speaking of a total ruin and destruction of the old earth.

27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.

​

After hearing Genesis 1:2 cited by Jeremiah they needed to be told that their judgment would not be as severe as what happened to the earth in Genesis 1:2! "tohu wa bohu!"

.​

Well, that's been my point exactly, the Jeremiah 4:23-28 Scripture is God explaining to rebellious Jerusalem about the destruction upon the earth He did back at Genesis 1:2 with the original earth He created back at verse 1 laying in a state ruin and destruction. That is... what the Gap idea is about. It reveals an unknown Gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and that starting at Genesis 1:3 is God re-creating this 2nd world earth age that is imperfect and made to be destroyed (see 2 Peter 3).

 

[Davy]

2 Peter 3 is important in covering the 3 world earth ages. With Peter's first example, pointing to a flood of old, most think Peter was pointing to the time of Noah. But he wasn't; he was pointing to the state of the earth from God's destruction per Jeremiah 4:23-27, and the way the earth sat at Genesis 1:2 with waters overspread upon all of it.

2 Peter 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Peter is pointing to God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1 with, "by the word of God the heavens were of old". God spoke and His original creation came into existence, which is what Peter means with "by the word of God" (see Psalms 33:6).

That "the earth standing out of the water and in the water" is a reference to Genesis 1:6-9 with God moving the waters overspread upon the earth to create today's sky atmosphere and also moving the rest of those waters upon the earth to make the dry land appear (re-appear). That is what Peter means about the earth standing out of the water and in the water, and Peter linked that state upon the earth with the previous phrase that points out that this flood state upon the earth was God's destruction of His original creation He did by The Word of God back at Genesis 1:1...

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

There it is, Peter's description of God's destruction of His original perfect creation by a flood of waters. Not the flood of Noah's day, because this flood happened sometime in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. By the time of Genesis 1:2, it is describing the 'result'... of that ancient flood. The flood of Noah's day came much, much later in history. This flood here was even before Adam and Eve. Thus there have actually been 2 world-wide flood destructions upon this earth. The first one ended Satan's original rebellion against God, and the second one was to destroy the hybrid-giant race which Satan's angels had created upon the earth.

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This 2nd world earth age is the one we are in now. It began at Genesis 1:3 with God putting back His creation, but in a 'limited' imperfect condition (see Romans 8:18-25). We have been raised to think that God's creation for today is perfect, but it is not, because Apostle Paul showed that He made today's creation subject to 'vanity', and is in 'bondage of corruption'. It cannot be compared to God's future new heavens and a new earth, is what Paul shows.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It is God's will that all... come to repentance. This reveals He has given man free will to choose Him and His Son, or not.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The coming destruction by God's consuming fire is what will end this present 2nd world earth age. This present world condition is temporary, and is NOT His Salvation.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Peter is saying that now you know this present 2nd world earth is destined to perish by God's consuming fire, then how should we as Christ's Church act and have our conversations? He's kind of pointing out that need to take The Gospel to those who have not heard, help the poor, protect the widow and homeless, etc.

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
KJV

Instead of living it up with the things of this present world, those in Christ are to be looking for God's future new heavens and a new earth when wickedness is no more.

Thus there are 3 world earth ages written:
1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"

 

[Blaise N]

Well technically it’s been over from the start.God doesn’t need to be proven,there’s already enough evidence to demonstrate his existence.Romans even says that! (Romans 1:20) and I’m stating God the only God,the Lord God Jehovah.Not the false hindu,Islam,Zoroastrian,or Sikh Gods.The real and only God (Isaiah 45:5).All of us Believers from the beginning have been right and unfortunately people who don’t believe have tried for centuries to desperately prove that God isn’t real,when all their efforts fail.

Stephen Hawking,Richard Dawkins,and many others like them fail(ed) to disprove God.He cannot be disproven.


For example,many unbelievers claim that the universe spontaneously “created itself” with “gravity and cold temperature” when simply,when they say that there was nothing in the beginning,they fail to acknowledge you have to take nothing into the exact deepest most literal definition of nothing,that means absolutely nothing at all,that means ABSOLUTELY NO gravity,temperature,light,sound,smell,space,energy,matter,absolutely nothing.An empty nothing void.But they explain explain how a universe of countless stars,galaxies,nebulas, planets and all sorts of space matter simpl exploded into existnce.What unbelievers fail to rationalize is that simply the “big bang” never happened and couldn’t have happened.Truth be told there HAS to be an eternal cause,That’s God!

Nothing+Nothing≠Something.

A massive immeasurable explosion couldn’t have created LIFE from inanimate matter.Rock isn’t living and for bacteria to form it needs to be living and exist.Think about this as well,how absolutely absurd and ridiculous is it to think human beings came from single cell organisms that lived in water?,it’s ridiculous and completely absurd.Same with monkeys,apes never evolved into humans.Evolution is a myth,and no that’s not an arrogant statement.Genesis stated exactly word for word,deed for deed how the universe came into existence,The Lord God.

I’d rather believe flying monkeys from Jupiter gave us agriculture than evolution and atheism!

I despair and cry over unbelievers how they can live a life thinking they’re a mistake and have no purpose,and when they die they simply cease to exist.How hopeless of a state!,how depressing of a life!,how sad a soul!
Just like the Lord weeped over his peoples abandonment of him and the prophets of the Old testement weeped over their people,I weep for unbelievers,how can they live day to day hopeless and empty?

 

[Davy]

....
For example,many unbelievers claim that the universe spontaneously “created itself” with “gravity and cold temperature” when simply,when they say that there was nothing in the beginning,they fail to acknowledge you have to take nothing into the exact deepest most literal definition of nothing,that means absolutely nothing at all,that means ABSOLUTELY NO gravity,temperature,light,sound,smell,space,energy,matter,absolutely nothing.An empty nothing void.But they explain explain how a universe of countless stars,galaxies,nebulas, planets and all sorts of space matter simpl exploded into existnce.What unbelievers fail to rationalize is that simply the “big bang” never happened and couldn’t have happened.

Nothing+Nothing≠Something.

Exactly.

And there's an easy way to prove God's existence by His Word.

In Hebrews 11:3 we are told that things of this world that are seen were not made of things that appear.

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

That's a very simple statement, yet a very profound statement.

One of the laws of science in physics declares that material matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but only changes its state (solid, liquid, gas, vapor). That proves that material matter did not create itself. And more importantly, and more profound, it proves that this material dimension of matter had... to have been created from a 'different' type of dimension of existence.

In John 4, John said that "God is a Spirit". And per God's Word, we are shown the existence of another dimension not made of material matter, but made up of Spirit.

So just by the fact that science knows matter cannot create nor destroy matter, that automatically points to God as The Creator. This why also I believe that as pseudo-science lies about evolution, they also do with black hole and anti-matter theories.

 

[AgapeBible]

I am wondering when during creation did Lucifer fall and rebel against God? There are 2 creation stories in Genesis. God at first tells Adam he can eat all of the vegetation on Earth and in Eden, he does not tell Adam the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden, I think it is after Eve is created the the fruit of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden. It just says the serpent is more crafty than all other creatures, it does not say the serpent is evil or that he is Satan/Lucifer the devil. It is said that after Noah and the flood, there is a new earth. Why are there two creation stories, the first one with the 6th day creation period, then the one with the springs coming up from the earth watering Eden?

Oh, and in the beginning, God says "Let there be light" and that is the big bang. He brings light, fire, power, energy, life, air, love, faith and hope into the world.

In the end, infinite love will rule. That love is called Jesus Christ. He will answer all the questions in my mind and heal the pain in my heart, snow us mercy and compassion. I look forward to that day. I know I am not perfect and I do not deserve to go to heaven, but thank the Lord, Jesus Christ died for me on the cross because of His great love and mercy and that is why I forgive, because my savior forgave me.

 

[GenemZ]

The English rendering to "was" in Genesis 1:2 is the LEAST... of Scripture proofs that supports the Gap idea. So dwelling too much just on that one word reveals suspicious Bible scholarship.

Found that reference showing that the Hebrew of Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 are punctuated with an indicator telling the reader to 'pause' between the two verses to show a fading out, and fading back in a present tense of another time.

Here!


Without Form and Void - Chapter 1


Clearly this reflects the tradition under lying the translation which
appears in the Targum of Onkelos to be noted below.
Furthermore, in the Massoretic Text in which the Jewish scholars
tried to incorporate enough "indicators" to guide the reader as to
correct punctuation there is one small mark which is technically
known as Rebhia which is classified as a "disjunctive accent" in-
tended to notify the reader that he should pause before proceeding to
the next verse. In short, this mark indicates a "break" in the text.
Such a mark appears at the end of Genesis 1.1. This mark has been
noted by several scholars including Luther. It is one indication
among others, that the initial waw (

) which introduces verse 2
should be rendered "but" rather than "and", a dis-junctive rather
than a con-junctive.

 

[Davy]

I am wondering when during creation did Lucifer fall and rebel against God? There are 2 creation stories in Genesis. God at first tells Adam he can eat all of the vegetation on Earth and in Eden, he does not tell Adam the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden, I think it is after Eve is created the the fruit of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden. It just says the serpent is more crafty than all other creatures, it does not say the serpent is evil or that he is Satan/Lucifer the devil. It is said that after Noah and the flood, there is a new earth. Why are there two creation stories, the first one with the 6th day creation period, then the one with the springs coming up from the earth watering Eden?

Oh, and in the beginning, God says "Let there be light" and that is the big bang. He brings light, fire, power, energy, life, air, love, faith and hope into the world.

In the end, infinite love will rule. That love is called Jesus Christ. He will answer all the questions in my mind and heal the pain in my heart, snow us mercy and compassion. I look forward to that day. I know I am not perfect and I do not deserve to go to heaven, but thank the Lord, Jesus Christ died for me on the cross because of His great love and mercy and that is why I forgive, because my savior forgave me.

The thing to notice is "that old serpent" in God's Garden tempting Eve means he had already rebelled and fallen at some time before, just because of the fact that he is there tempting Eve.

 

[Davy]

Found that reference showing that the Hebrew of Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 are punctuated with an indicator telling the reader to 'pause' between the two verses to show a fading out, and fading back in a present tense of another time.

Here!


Without Form and Void - Chapter 1


Clearly this reflects the tradition under lying the translation which
appears in the Targum of Onkelos to be noted below.
Furthermore, in the Massoretic Text in which the Jewish scholars
tried to incorporate enough "indicators" to guide the reader as to
correct punctuation there is one small mark which is technically
known as Rebhia which is classified as a "disjunctive accent" in-
tended to notify the reader that he should pause before proceeding to
the next verse. In short, this mark indicates a "break" in the text.
Such a mark appears at the end of Genesis 1.1. This mark has been
noted by several scholars including Luther. It is one indication
among others, that the initial waw (

) which introduces verse 2
should be rendered "but" rather than "and", a dis-junctive rather
than a con-junctive.

But that's still not enough to go on in support of the Gap idea. The many Scripture examples that I covered as they are linked according to the Gap is what really reveals it.

E. W. Bullinger's note on "was" in Genesis 1:2:

"Genesis 1:2
was = became. See Gen 2:7; 4:3; 9:15; 19:26; Ex 32:1; Deut 27:9; 2 Sam 7:24, &c. Also rendered came to pass Gen 4:14; 22:1; 23:1; 27:1; Josh 4:1; 5:1; 1 Kings 13:32; Isa 14:24, &c. Also rendered be (in the sense of become) Gen 1:3, &c, and where the verb "to be" is not in italic type. Hence, Ex 3:1, kept = became keeper, quit = become men, &c. See Ap. 7."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)



"Appendix 7
ITALIC TYPE IN THE REVISED VERSION
The Revisers ill-advisedly decided that "all such words, now printed in italics, as are plainly implied in the Hebrew, and necessary in English, be printed in common type."

One of the consequences of this decision is that the verb "to be" is not distinguished from the verb "to become", so that the lessons conveyed by the A. V. "was" and "was" in Gen 1:2; 3 and 4; 9 and 10; 11 and 12, are lost. See the notes on Gen 1:2."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

 

[GenemZ]

But that's still not enough to go on in support of the Gap idea. The many Scripture examples that I covered as they are linked according to the Gap is what really reveals it.

E. W. Bullinger's note on "was" in Genesis 1:2:

"Genesis 1:2
was = became. See Gen 2:7; 4:3; 9:15; 19:26; Ex 32:1; Deut 27:9; 2 Sam 7:24, &c. Also rendered came to pass Gen 4:14; 22:1; 23:1; 27:1; Josh 4:1; 5:1; 1 Kings 13:32; Isa 14:24, &c. Also rendered be (in the sense of become) Gen 1:3, &c, and where the verb "to be" is not in italic type. Hence, Ex 3:1, kept = became keeper, quit = become men, &c. See Ap. 7."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)



"Appendix 7
ITALIC TYPE IN THE REVISED VERSION
The Revisers ill-advisedly decided that "all such words, now printed in italics, as are plainly implied in the Hebrew, and necessary in English, be printed in common type."

One of the consequences of this decision is that the verb "to be" is not distinguished from the verb "to become", so that the lessons conveyed by the A. V. "was" and "was" in Gen 1:2; 3 and 4; 9 and 10; 11 and 12, are lost. See the notes on Gen 1:2."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

I showed you why it could have become that way, yet when placing us on the scene it would be worded as "was."

As I documented with a link... There was a pause, and a fading out of Genesis 1:1 into a next scene.

In that scene we are finding ourselves presented to see an event as if we were being presented in the present! Just like the ghost of Christmas past took Scrooge into a past Christmas and had him look at the event all over again. Placing Scrooge into as past event as if Scrooge was seeing it taking place as if it were in the present!

Anyone who knows what the Hebrew 'tohu wa bohu' means? Would have to know that God did not create the earth to be in utter ruin with an eerie sense of emptiness and desolation around it. That's why some try to inject "became" into the translation while being unaware why that *need to pause* was there! It was a scene fade out, and in. Fading in to another time and place!

Understanding that will allow a believer to see that the fossil world was judged and destroyed.. Not, evolved out of!

The meaning of frustration in the Greek and Hebrew might prove useful in trying to explain these truths...

 

[Job 33:6]

Hi thanks for the reply, i watched the video and found it interesting and considered but without a gap theory framework things soon fall apart. i dp not agree wit him about teeth design( i am a dentist btw) as we are talking about plants 30 feet high and trees 300 feet high. So, entirely plausible that these serrated teeth are needed
GEN 1 :29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Tthis is just man until the fall and there is vast amount of life before then and after the fall too. So just a small window
Gen 1:30
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so
wherein there is life is the key to this verse, this meanog animals wit ha spirit and soul. So none nephesh chayyh animals can eat each other.- they will not be vegetarian. The scorpion in the video
Like wise this text the same but the additional use of it was so means it will be applying to a previous creation too. Note the way verse29 does not have an 'it was so' statement but verse 30 does. I will give you a reason for this too. home-the history of everything 1

Seems like you have just repeated the YEC position without acknowledgement of the rebuttal. God commands mankind to subdue and rule over wild fish and birds. Plants were simply given for consumption, in addition.

 

[Job 33:6]

Gap Theory is summarized in the first half hour of this video:

 

[lismore]

Hi aaron thanks for the comment but there was a previous creation the bible tells me so

Hello James. Were there any Theologians who said they perceived a gap theory in God's word before the era when academia found the fashion in declaring long time periods for the earth and before this external pressure was placed on the church?

It may be similar to the LGBTQI issue, some church leaders say they have found support for SSM in the bible. But no-one said this before the church came under extreme pressure to follow society on this issue. God Bless You

 

[lismore]

Yet in Creation, in History, in God's Word,
there is nothing, not even a hint at all, nothing that confirms anything false. ---- except of course the frequent confirming in God's Word and throughout History of mankind of man being false and devising many schemes.

Hello Aaron. You're right about humans devising many schemes. “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9)

Take for example 'scientists' in our day. Used to be they said there were biological differences between male and female, males had an X and Y chromosome, females two X chromosomes. Now society says people can change gender if they feel like it and from 'science' is a deafening silence. Trans could be knocked on it's head in an afternoon. Used to be people who said that due to bias scientists were sitting on evidence of creation while manufacturing evidence for evolution were treated as conspiracy theorists. But now we clearly see that scientists can ignore truth when it suits them, due to ambition, peer pressure, or guile, whatever the reason. God Bless