Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

[BPPLEE]

Not even close. Many of their commentary shows are derided by liberals for "both sides-ism" and not taking guests to task when they assert a falsehood.

They are obviously left leaning. From your post it seems they are not far enough to the left to suit liberals, but they do lean to the left.

 

[SimplyMe]

Ray Epps texted his nephew and said that he orchestrated the whole thing. The reason he went from being one of the top people of interest.. to of no interest... is because he was an FBI plant. An operative.. an paid instigator.


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I'm sorry, there is zero evidence (and some counter evidence) to suggest that Ray Epps had anything to do with the FBI, that is one of those Right Wing talking points that people have latched onto to justify what happened at the Capitol. And before you bring up that the FBI refused to comment on whether he was a "plant" is because that is FBI policy -- the Republican Congresspeople asked the question knowing that is how the FBI had to answer, and they could spin that answer into "see, they won't comment because he was."

Of course, this is exactly why the FBI won't comment on these types of things, because if they deny every time, except when someone is a "plant," then you very quickly can learn who is a plant. So, answering that they won't comment means absolutely nothing. The "evidence" we have on Ray Epps is his own testimony, under oath, that he was not an FBI informant (or "plant").

Last, as for why he hasn't been charged, what law did he break? Are you saying that he should be arrested based on things he said (speech)?

 

[USincognito]

Insurrectionist Apologist? Is that a term invented and thrown around by the Jan 6th committee?

Nah, It's a term I'm using in this thread to describe the insurrectionist apologists who are engaging in Olympic class mental gymnastics and gaslighting.

Or was it CNN or MSNBC reporters?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[USincognito]

How o. Earth can you claim Carlson is lying when he is showing us all of it.

45 Seconds of Chansley walking around before entering the Senate chamber and 20 seconds of him inside it is hardly "all of it".

Why that shaman was escorted around by the police who even opened doors for him. He even prayed for them.

He was not escorted. The prayer thing becoming the latest parroted talking point is just embarrassing.

I wonder what you and all the other leftists

You keep misusing that word.

would say if all you were shown was the peaceful side of things and the videos of the violent people were left out. And the media and Republicans all said it was a peaceful protest in the capitol.

When are you guys going to realize your efforts at gaslighting aren't going to work? The video of the folks walking through Statuary Hall is available on numerous websites and has been since January 6th. There's nothing new about video showing people doing things other than attacking CHP or breaking into the Capitol. Some were merely followers caught up in the moment. WE ALL ALREADY KNEW THAT. It's not a revelation.

It also doesn't change the fact that hundreds of people conducted themselves in a violent or destructive manner that day. They are the ones who committed the crimes and they are the ones upon which we focus.

 

[USincognito]

Well, I didn't see him do one act of violence or vandalism. He even gave a prayer to the police and their protection. In one video he gave a speach to the crowd about being peaceful and respectful of the police.

You mean the 45 seconds of highly edited video that Tucker showed he wasn't being violent? Shocking!
I don't think anyone has claimed he was violent. He was an agitator, he ignored police requests for him to leave and he criminally obstructed an official proceeding however.

Ray Epps texted his nephew and said that he orchestrated the whole thing. The reason he went from being one of the top people of interest.. to of no interest... is because he was an FBI plant. An operative.. an paid instigator.


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That is just embarrassing. As @essentialsaltes showed, he was bragging to his nephew. Again, and I don't know why this is so hard for apologists to grasp, we have thousands of messages posted to social media showing red hats had plans to enter the Capitol. Four Oathkeepers have been convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Four Oath Keepers Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach

Four members of the Oath Keepers were found guilty today by a jury in the District of Columbia of seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

www.justice.gov

The former leader of the Proud Boys pled guilty to seditious conspiracy.

Former Leader of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election

A former leader of the Proud Boys pleaded guilty today to seditious conspiracy for his actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. His and others’ actions sought to stop the transfer of power by disrupting a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain...

www.justice.gov

1000+ people have been charged with various crimes relating to the events on January 6th

Not a single one of them has used "Ray Epps made me do it" as a defense.

There are recorded news casts where the claim was made that it was a "deadly" insurrection and that a police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher.....

The only person who died was a Trump supporter, unarmed, shot in the neck.. in cold blood...

Four people died during the insurrection. That's a deadly insurrection by anyone's definition. No one claimed that Officer Sicknick was murdered in the Capitol on January 6th however. That is Tucker's dishonest historical revisionism.

IMO... nothing he did merited 41 months in prison... He was made an example of because the fury of the left wanted him shot.

I posted this the other day. I really wish insurrectionist apologists would read it and take it to heart.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1352916/download

COUNT TWO

On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, JACOB ANTHONY CHANSEL Y, also known as "Jacob Angeli," attempted to, and did corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, by committing an act of civil disorder, and threatening Congressional officials, and unlawfully remaining in a restricted building without lawful authority, and engaging in disorderly and disruptive conduct.

(Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(c)(2))​

Sentencing guidelines for that offense are:

18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

www.law.cornell.edu

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.[/indet]​

 

[USincognito]

There was hardly anyone that got charged with violent crimes. I think most of them were charged with property/trespassing/obstructing crimes. I'm sure a few were charged with assault or so.

26 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

www.justice.gov

• Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
  • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
• Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  
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[SimplyMe]

1000+ people have been charged with various crimes relating to the events on January 6th

Not a single one of them has used "Ray Epps made me do it" as a defense.

By way of contrast, many of them did use a "Donald Trump made me (told me to) do it" defense.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Oh okay, however ABC CBS AND NBC are all left wing and left leaning in their news coverage.

Not really, no. MSNBC definitely is, but that's not the same thing as your local NBC affiliate. Affiliate stations license the name and logo and a certain amount of syndicated content, but the local news desk has their material determined (at least in part) by the station's owner. If you're watching the 6-o'clock news on your local NBC station, unless it's actually owned and operated by NBC, NBC corporate has no input on what they say.

An example from a few years ago:

 

[BPPLEE]

Not really, no. MSNBC definitely is, but that's not the same thing as your local NBC affiliate. Affiliate stations license the name and logo and a certain amount of syndicated content, but the local news desk has their material determined (at least in part) by the station's owner. If you're watching the 6-o'clock news on your local NBC station, unless it's actually owned and operated by NBC, NBC corporate has no input on what they say.

An example from a few years ago:

True but if you watch the networks’ news it does lean towards the left.

 

[Saucy]

The Democrat inquisition was a partisan hack job where Trump wasn't allowed to have a single defense throughout the entire process. It was all opponents and videos edited specifically to back up their claims, including when Trump said to protest PEACEFULLY. So why wouldn't the other side get a chance at looking at the footage? Tucker made some good points. I don't understand how Democrats always claim Republicans having a right to defense or even sharing their point of view on things is a threat to Democracy, which is hypocritical because attempting to shut down the other side from having a voice is the real threat to Democracy.

 

[Saucy]

In what way do they make that attempt?



You mean like the president being born in Kenya? Hillary's operatives killing people? Democrats are using children in blood rituals? That kind of truth?


I don't like fox because they are proven malicious liars and their own defense is that no one should take them seriously and yet people still do for some reason. Yet you have the audacity to tell us it is all in our head?


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No, you say they are malicious liars because they do not back up your view on things. I can point out many, many lies from the left-leaning networks, like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc, etc, etc, but you buy their drivel because you want to believe it.

 

[Belk]

No, you say they are malicious liars because they do not back up your view on things.

No, I say they are liars because they are documented liars about what they believe. Do not presume to put your words in my mouth.

I can point out many, many lies from the left-leaning networks, like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc, etc, etc, but you buy their drivel because you want to believe it.

Very well. Point out some of these "many, many lies" for me.

 

[rjs330]

Ok I'm done. It's obvious nothing can convince you that Fox is not in the mainstream regardless of viewership numbers or how many other people and entities share the same views.

Good cause they are not. They are outside mainstream and thats why they have good viewership. People got tired of the leftist junk they were getting from the mainstream media.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, I say they are liars because they are documented liars about what they believe. Do not presume to put your words in my mouth.



Very well. Point out some of these "many, many lies" for me.

CNN controversies - Wikipedia. Be sure to click on allegations of bias and individuals. Also see. MSNBC controversies - Wikipedia. And don’t forget Brian Williams, Dan Rather, Chris Coumo and Don Lemon

 

[rjs330]

Do you think the Select Committee, which did include two Republicans of integrity, should have shown all 44,000 hours of video? Or just the relevant parts which were about the insurrection?

They should have been honest about the entire incident and not manipulated the public by only showing what they wanted to show to prop up the narrative that this was an insurrection. When you see all the footage it's pretty obvious it wasn't. It was a bunch of people doing stupid things. And a awful lot of them just walking around.

 

[rjs330]

You can't handle the truth.

Lol it appears you guys are the ones who can't handle the truth when it's shown, which destroys your whole insurrection narrative.

Yes some people did some bad things. They behaved badly and those that did should be held accountable. But an insurrection? Nah.

 

[Saucy]

No, I say they are liars because they are documented liars about what they believe. Do not presume to put your words in my mouth.



Very well. Point out some of these "many, many lies" for me.

Perhaps the biggest lie was that Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election, which turned out was just lies from the Clinton campaign. Talk about a BIG LIE denying election results and claiming your opponent stole the election is right up there with Trump's lies. Yet, someone Democrats pretend they're all morally superior and don't do that sort of thing for themselves. Yet, every Democrat in here was 100% sure Trump colluded and was going to jail for it because they believed the media's lies.

A federal grand jury on Thursday handed up an indictment requested by special counsel John Durham — and it’s fresh proof that the entire Russiagate “scandal” was manufactured by Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Durham, the federal prosecutor tasked with investigating the origins of the investigation, is targeting lawyer Michael Sussmann for lying about his client when he met with an agent to share dubious suspicions of a link between the Trump Organization and Kremlin-connected Alfa Bank.

The FBI later disproved the claim during the endless Russiagate investigation, as special counsel Robert Mueller’s team found itself unable to verify anything from the much-hyped allegations after two years of work.

Fresh proof the Russiagate ‘scandal’ was created by the Hillary Clinton campaign

A federal grand jury handed up an indictment requested by special counsel John Durham — and it’s fresh proof that the entire Russiagate “scandal” was manufactured by Hillary Clinton’s campaign.…

nypost.com

Here's a nice article from The Washington Times, picked up by Real Clear Politics on the 10 biggest lies told by Democrats and the MSM:

No. 1. The Capitol Hill riot on Jan. 6 was an “armed insurrection” in which five people were killed, including a U.S. Capitol officer hit by a fire extinguisher in the head. Reality: The rioters had no firearms or even knives. Two of the five died from a stroke and heart attack. The officer, Brian Sicknick, was not hit by a fire extinguisher, did not die from “blunt trauma,” and his death the next day was from “unknown causes,” as The New York Times eventually admitted.

Of the two young women Trump supporters who died in the riot, one was shot by an unnamed police officer (the media are, to say the least, incurious) and the other may have had a medical emergency and was trampled. The deaths, plus injuries to many officers, are tragic. But the media narrative is false: “Five killed in armed insurrection.”

No. 2. President Trump “incited” the riot. Despite the House impeachment managers falsifying evidence by doctoring his remarks in an inflammatory video, none of what Mr. Trump said could be construed as “incitement.” Evidence indicates that instigators planned the riot long before the Trump rally.

No. 3: President Trump referred to Nazis and White supremacists as “very fine people.” Joe Biden made this a centerpiece of his campaign. It is patently false. After the Charlottesville riot, Mr. Trump on Aug. 15, 2017, said, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America.”

No. 6. BLM/Antifa protests were “mostly peaceful.” In 2020, 48 of the 50 most populous cities in the nation had protest-related riots, with dozens murdered, hundreds of police injured and billions in damages to businesses. Democrats demand an inquiry only into the Capitol Hill riot, which threatened them, not the hundreds of other riots that they openly encouraged.

There are lots more here: Democrats’ disgraceful lies keep on giving

It's clear the vast majority of media outlets are in the pocket of the Democrat party and frame things the way they want them framed. The fact that you cannot even see the liberal bias in media speaks volumes about the average Democrat voter who just hears these lies constantly and instantly believes them because it fits the narrative they want to believe.

 

[rjs330]

No, he pretty much did show only 4 mins of an hour long encounter. He did not show the shaman shouting out obscenities on the Senate floor or the threatening note he left Pence, who was forced to flee the scene.

So, he cursed in the capitol? That's a big deal? I bet Senators curse in the capital all the time along with their staff. And the note? Really? That's a big deal? So some dude wearing a buffalo hat and carrying a shamans staff is a danger to overthrow the government? All he did was trespass in the capital and walk around. Charge him with that and obstructing if he was ordered to leave and didn't.

 

[rjs330]

Because there was nothing else to add. They were called tourists.

I'm sure you know the difference between looking like and actually being.

 

[NxNW]

The only person who died was a Trump supporter, unarmed, shot in the neck.. in cold blood...

She was shot while violently trying to break through a window and murder elected officials.