Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

[USincognito]

*looks at post history*

Oh wow, I had no idea it had been that long. Nothing ever really changes around here, does it?

Yeah, I see So's Law is being violated as frequently as ever.

 

[Aldebaran]

There is no "claim" that the video shows a guy wearing a gas mask. There is a screenshot from the video of someone wearing a gas mask. The alternative facts folks in this thread seem to be having trouble accepting that fact.

which changes everything, how?

I realize I've been away for several years, but you can see by my post count that I have no trouble speaking of myself. If that was the point I wanted to make, I would have made it. Since I did not make that point, you should have concluded that was not the point I was making.

thanks for clearing that up.

No one in the statuary hall video was being "guided by capitol police". You might be conflating the video we're discussing (the statuary hall video) with the video where Chensley is being shadowed by CHP who are asking him to leave the building.

Really? You don't see any police standing there making sure everybody's stays between the ropes? Are you suggesting that the people walking in an orderly fashion were doing so because they were trying to peaceful on their own? The narrative says that they were violent insurrectionists. They sure don't look very violent.

As for Chansley being asked to leave by the police--where do you get that idea? There's no audio of that. So how are you hearing it?

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, I see So's Law is being violated as frequently as ever.

The word used was "Oh", not "so".

 

[Hans Blaster]

As for Chansley being asked to leave by the police--where do you get that idea? There's no audio of that. So how are you hearing it?

It's in the court filings. I posted them above. He failed to comply repeatedly.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's in the court filings. I posted them above. He failed to comply repeatedly.

Then the video doesn't prove it to be true. It's just on the word of what someone claimed, but is contradicted by the video.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Then the video doesn't prove it to be true. It's just on the word of what someone claimed, but is contradicted by the video.

It's on the sworn testimony of a police officer.

How does this contradict the video? The security footage HAS NO SOUND. You cannot hear what was said.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's on the sworn testimony of a police officer.

How does this contradict the video? The security footage HAS NO SOUND. You cannot hear what was said.

As has been pointed out earlier, chansley walked past nearly a dozen officers, none of which even tried to stop him. He was obviously being escorted by the two officers behind him as he walked by a group of others. If he was seen as an insurrectionist, or a threat, he would have been stopped. Obviously no attempt was made to do that.
Am I going to be told now that nearly a dozen officers made no attempt to stop him because they didn't feel they could succeed?

 

[Arcangl86]

Not that I question your general point, but those newspaper numbers only count print subscriptions, whereas digital (at least at NYT) outnumbers it more than 10:1.

The Times Reports 11% Increase in Revenue as Digital Subscriptions Climb (Published 2023)

The company said it added more than a million digital subscribers in 2022, bringing its total number of paying subscribers to 9.6 million.

www.nytimes.com

I thought about making that distinction, but didn't know how to chase down numbers. So thank you for pointing that out. So maybe I was wrong about the parity or near parity, but still the point stands that there are several extremely prominent conservative papers.

 

[USincognito]

which changes everything, how?

It doesn't change anything. I showed by virtue of the screenshot that the folks passing through Statuary Hall weren't a bunch of peaceful tourists simply, reverently visiting the Capitol. But then we've all known that all along. Some are just denying it.

thanks for clearing that up.

I trust that I shan't need to do so with you again in the future.

Really? You don't see any police standing there making sure everybody's stays between the ropes? Are you suggesting that the people walking in an orderly fashion were doing so because they were trying to peaceful on their own?

Let's play back he tape.
:09 The two officers walk toward the Senate side exit of Statuary Hall. They appear to be on cell phones.
:45 Several people have tried interacting with the officers, but they appear to be ignoring them.
1:00 They briefly exit into the Senate side.
1:10 They return and head to the Rotunda side exit and off camera.
2:34 The feed cuts to outside.
I don't know where the supposed officers were that were making sure everyone stayed between the ropes. For one thing, gas mask guy and 5 other people are outside the ropes. While the police are standing by and not making them get within the ropes.

Your narrative just doesn't match reality.

The narrative says that they were violent insurrectionists. They sure don't look very violent.

This is the typical, rhetorical dishonesty that I've come to expect from insurrectionist apologists. Not every insurrectionist who made their way to the Capitol grounds was violent (see Ray Epps). Not every insurrectionist who made their way into the Capitol was violent (see these folks). The violent ones were the ones beating, spraying, spearing, tazing and stomping police officers clearing a path for these insurrectionists to enter.

As for Chansley being asked to leave by the police--where do you get that idea? There's no audio of that. So how are you hearing it?

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

On Jan. 6, 2021, about 140 police officers were assaulted during the Capitol riot, and 326 participants -- more than 100 armed with weapons -- have been charged. But Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson has used recently released video from that day to misleadingly minimize the violence at the...

www.factcheck.org

One of the officers seen walking with Chansley, Capitol Police Officer Keith Robishaw, who has red hair and was wearing glasses and a light blue face mask, explained his thinking in the 2021 HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol.”

In one of his first encounters with a group of rowdy protesters, including Chansley, who was armed with a spear affixed with an American flag, Robishaw said he knew he and his fellow officers had to try to get them to leave peacefully.

“We were standing on that line, and there was the six of us. Meeting violence with violence at this time would not be safe for me and my fellow officers,” Robishaw said about 36 minutes into the film. “The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew in my head there was no way that we could all get physical with them, so I took it upon myself to try and talk to them.”

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

Later, when Chansley had made his way to the Senate floor, Robishaw saw him and followed him inside, by himself, and tried to get Chansley and others already in the chamber to leave.

“I walk in behind him, and that’s when I realized I was alone now. I was by myself,” Robishaw told the documentarians. “I was like, ‘I can’t do anything.’ You know? I can only do is, you know, shout orders, and if they listen, great, if they don’t, I can’t force them. I’m all by myself.”

In video filmed by a New Yorker reporter, Robishaw is shown saying to the men: “Any chance I could get you guys to leave the Senate wing?” At one point, a protester says, “You should be stopping us.” Robishaw responds that he is outnumbered.

According to court documents, Chansley and others did not exit the chamber until additional law enforcement officers arrived to back up Robishaw.​

 

[USincognito]

The word used was "Oh", not "so".

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Aldebaran]

What in the world are you talking about?

As you can see from the quote, I was obviously talking about the post that you made just 41 minutes ago.

 

[Aldebaran]

It doesn't change anything. I showed by virtue of the screenshot that the folks passing through Statuary Hall weren't a bunch of peaceful tourists simply, reverently visiting the Capitol. But then we've all known that all along. Some are just denying it.

I trust that I shan't need to do so with you again in the future.

Let's play back he tape.
:09 The two officers walk toward the Senate side exit of Statuary Hall. They appear to be on cell phones.
:45 Several people have tried interacting with the officers, but they appear to be ignoring them.
1:00 They briefly exit into the Senate side.
1:10 They return and head to the Rotunda side exit and off camera.
2:34 The feed cuts to outside.
I don't know where the supposed officers were that were making sure everyone stayed between the ropes. For one thing, gas mask guy and 5 other people are outside the ropes. While the police are standing by and not making them get within the ropes.

Your narrative just doesn't match reality.
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This is the typical, rhetorical dishonesty that I've come to expect from insurrectionist apologists. Not every insurrectionist who made their way to the Capitol grounds was violent (see Ray Epps). Not every insurrectionist who made their way into the Capitol was violent (see these folks). The violent ones were the ones beating, spraying, spearing, tazing and stomping police officers clearing a path for these insurrectionists to enter.

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

On Jan. 6, 2021, about 140 police officers were assaulted during the Capitol riot, and 326 participants -- more than 100 armed with weapons -- have been charged. But Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson has used recently released video from that day to misleadingly minimize the violence at the...

www.factcheck.org

One of the officers seen walking with Chansley, Capitol Police Officer Keith Robishaw, who has red hair and was wearing glasses and a light blue face mask, explained his thinking in the 2021 HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol.”

In one of his first encounters with a group of rowdy protesters, including Chansley, who was armed with a spear affixed with an American flag, Robishaw said he knew he and his fellow officers had to try to get them to leave peacefully.

“We were standing on that line, and there was the six of us. Meeting violence with violence at this time would not be safe for me and my fellow officers,” Robishaw said about 36 minutes into the film. “The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew in my head there was no way that we could all get physical with them, so I took it upon myself to try and talk to them.”

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

Later, when Chansley had made his way to the Senate floor, Robishaw saw him and followed him inside, by himself, and tried to get Chansley and others already in the chamber to leave.

“I walk in behind him, and that’s when I realized I was alone now. I was by myself,” Robishaw told the documentarians. “I was like, ‘I can’t do anything.’ You know? I can only do is, you know, shout orders, and if they listen, great, if they don’t, I can’t force them. I’m all by myself.”

In video filmed by a New Yorker reporter, Robishaw is shown saying to the men: “Any chance I could get you guys to leave the Senate wing?” At one point, a protester says, “You should be stopping us.” Robishaw responds that he is outnumbered.

According to court documents, Chansley and others did not exit the chamber until additional law enforcement officers arrived to back up Robishaw.​

Insurrectionist Apologist? Is that a term invented and thrown around by the Jan 6th committee? Or was it CNN or MSNBC reporters?

 

[Hans Blaster]

As has been pointed out earlier, chansley walked past nearly a dozen officers, none of which even tried to stop him. He was obviously being escorted by the two officers behind him as he walked by a group of others. If he was seen as an insurrectionist, or a threat, he would have been stopped. Obviously no attempt was made to do that.
Am I going to be told now that nearly a dozen officers made no attempt to stop him because they didn't feel they could succeed?

Post #529 covers much of the details of Chansley's interactions with a particular officer that appears in those videos.

I looked at a bodycam video that caught Chansley going up the stairs after his 30 minute stand-off with officers in the corridor.
A few things that were evident from the video:

1. Cops outnumbered rioters in the Senate wing during that period.
2. In the early part of the video (during Chansley's stand-off) there was only a few concentrations of rioters in the Senate wing on the chamber levels (2&3): one in the hallway near the old Senate chamber and the other in the Senate chamber.
3. There were a *lot* of rioters on the 1st (ground) floor, but they were contained by the stairwells.
4. Other than protecting select sensitive points, the cops were letting the randos wander about if they weren't doing anything additional wrong. (Until they could clear things out.)

The officer with the bodycam went to the Rotunda to clear it while Chansley was in the Senate Chamber and other officers cleared the Senate Chamber.

 

[Pommer]

And yet, the capitol police decided to open it up by waving the people in and guide them through the building. Perhaps your issue is with the capitol police rather than the taxpayers who actually paid these peoples' salaries and for the building itself, not to mention those who work there to represent us.

“We the people” have never overrun our legislative branch during business hours to change the outcome of an election before, it was “new territory” for everyone.

 

[Pommer]

Then the video doesn't prove it to be true. It's just on the word of what someone claimed, but is contradicted by the video.

Maybe he had an incompetent attorney?
He should appeal…his guilty plea.

 

[Pommer]

Post #529 covers much of the details of Chansley's interactions with a particular officer that appears in those videos.

I looked at a bodycam video that caught Chansley going up the stairs after his 30 minute stand-off with officers in the corridor.
A few things that were evident from the video:

1. Cops outnumbered rioters in the Senate wing during that period.
2. In the early part of the video (during Chansley's stand-off) there was only a few concentrations of rioters in the Senate wing on the chamber levels (2&3): one in the hallway near the old Senate chamber and the other in the Senate chamber.
3. There were a *lot* of rioters on the 1st (ground) floor, but they were contained by the stairwells.
4. Other than protecting select sensitive points, the cops were letting the randos wander about if they weren't doing anything additional wrong. (Until they could clear things out.)

The officer with the bodycam went to the Rotunda to clear it while Chansley was in the Senate Chamber and other officers cleared the Senate Chamber.

Taken as a “college movie” this would be where the scrappy fraternity with the outcast misfits steal the mascot of the hoity-toity trust fund frat.
But no, it’s our reality.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Taken as a “college movie” this would be where the scrappy fraternity with the outcast misfits steal the mascot of the hoity-toity trust fund frat.
But no, it’s our reality.

There was a point where the officer went back down the stairs towards the 1st floor and encountered a man in a panda head. The panda got arrested a few weeks ago and was indicted last week on charges that included civil disorder and other acts of violence.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Tucker's little deception has stirred up some dust in the Proud Boy's sedition trial. One of the defendants moved for dismissal or mistrial based on failure to reveal exculpatory evidence. Here is the government's response referring to the Chansley part of Tucker's show. (Pezzola [the window breaker] and Biggs are two defendants in the case.)

Chansley piggybacking on Pezzola’s violent breach of the Capitol provides more than enough evidence of his corrupt intent to interfere with Congress that day. But there is much more evidence of his and others’ conduct. The televised footage shows Chansley’s movements only from approximately 2:56 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. Prior to that time, Chansley had, amongst other acts, breached a police line at 2:09 p.m. with the mob, entered the Capitol less than one minute behind Pezzola during the initial breach of the building, and faced off with members of the U.S. Capitol Police for more than thirty minutes in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials, including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber. Chansley then entered the Senate Gallery, where he proceeded to scream obscenities while other rioters rifled through the desks of U.S. Senators on the floor below. All these actions were captured by Senate floor and/or CCTV cameras. In sum, Chansley was not some passive, chaperoned observer of events for the roughly hour that he was unlawfully inside the Capitol. He was part of the initial breach of the building; he confronted law enforcement for roughly 30 minutes just outside the Senate Chamber; he gained access to the gallery of the Senate along with other members of the mob (obviously, precluding any Senate business from occurring); and he gained access to and later left the Senate floor only after law enforcement was able to arrive en masse to remove him. It is true that a sole officer, who was trying to de-escalate the situation, was with Chansley as he made his way to the Senate floor after initially breaching the Chamber, as the televised footage reflects.6 But the televised footage fails to show that Chansley subsequently refused to be escorted out by this lone officer and instead left the Capitol only after additional officers arrived and forcibly escorted him out.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009.689.0.pdf

It also says this about the choices made by police:

Pezzola’s argument seems to be that the snippets of Chansley’s movements that were televised by Carlson establish that there was no emergency necessitating the suspension of proceedings. The televised footage lacks the context of what occurred before and after the footage. Chansley entered the building as part of a violent crowd that gained access as a result of Pezzola’s destruction of a window and he traveled with Pezzola during the initial breach. And just as Defendant Biggs had recounted in a recorded statement after January 6, 2021, by the time Pezzola forcibly breached the Capitol and Chansley rode his coattails, the mob—through the sheer force of its size and the violence of those within it—had wrested control of portions of the Capitol grounds and the Capitol itself from a vastly outnumbered U.S. Capitol Police force.5 As a result, for a period that afternoon, those defending the Capitol were in triage mode—trying to deal with the most violent element of those unlawfully present, holding those portions of the Capitol that had not yet been seized by rioters, and protecting those Members and staffers who were still trapped in the Capitol.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The defense attorney has publicly said that footage was withheld from him.

Let's see if he's willing to say the same in a court document.

Prosecutors say that apart from 10 seconds that “implicated an evacuation route,” the rest of the video played by Carlson was released to Pezzola and Chansley by September 24, 2021

Federal prosecutors on Sunday pushed back against claims that a video of so-called “█████ Shaman” Jacob Chansley that was shown by Fox News’s Tucker Carlson exonerated anyone in the mob at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021.

In court filings Sunday, federal prosecutors said that video did not show Chansley, who was sentenced to 41 months in prison for his actions on January 6, facing off with officers for half an hour outside the Senate chamber or when Chansley refused to be escorted out of the Capitol by an officer and only left after being forcibly removed.

The prosecutors were responding to a request to throw out the case against five members of the Proud Boys for their alleged actions on and around January 6. Defense attorney Roger Roots, who represents Dominic Pezzola, had asked the judge to throw out the case – citing [Tucker Carlson's] clips of Chansley walking around parts of the Capitol with officers, calling the video “exculpatory.”

 

[rjs330]

You said that no one called them tourists. I proved that what you said is false. He equated them to tourists. So he pretty much called them tourists.


Glad to help clarify.

You didn't clarify you just repeated the same thing.

And you didn't counter my point at all.

In fact you proved my point. They look like tourists and acted like tourists. The only reason you know they weren't is because you know the context.