Why did McCarthy Give Tucker Carlson Exclusive Access to J6 Footage?

[rjs330]

Nothing says "tourists" like a guy in a gas mask. View attachment 328951

You know no one said they were tourists. Stop spreading misinformation. They were behaving in an orderly fashion. They were throwing bricks and no one got gassed by them despite the dude in the mask. He probably wore cause he thought the cops might gas everyone. But you don't see him carrying a gun or busting anything. Most all of those that have been convicted were convicted of minor crimes. Some with felonies.

I seriously wish they would have put this much effort into finding and prosecuting all the BLM rioters.

These people were not insurrectionists. They were trespassers. You can't overthrow the government with flags and backpacks. You need weapons and serious coordination. And there was none of that.

This litany of mischaracterization, omission, red herings and Conservisphere tropes exemplifies just how far gone too many of our fellow Americans have become.

Claim: These 45 seconds of video proves there was no insurrection.

Some of the rioters walking through statuary hall or Chansley being shadowed as he wandered around the Senate side doesn't make the thousands of hours of video where insurrectionists were engaged in Medieval combat with police, where some went hunting for particular Congress members, where some claimed Donald invited them there, etc.

Claim: it was a peaceful protest that got out of hand.

These are photos of Eric Munchel, aka Zip Tie Guy, in the Senate chamber at the same time Chansley was in there and a "stack" of Oath keepers, two of whom were convicted of seditious conspiracy walking up the Capitol steps in full combat gear.
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They weren't peaceful, nor did they get out of hand. That gaslighting isn't going to work. They came for war.

Claim: nothing on J6 was like Antifa/BLM riots.

I can do a whole separate post on why the "Antifa/BLM riots" trope is another invention of the Conservisphere, so let's see if there is any evidence of red hats attacking officers with sticks, flag poles, bats, bear spray, etc.

Why yes there is.
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When I use the phrase Medieval combat, I mean it.

And you think using the medieval combat is going to overthrow democracy? I mean they didn't even bring weapons and instead used the barricades that were on site.

Oh there were a few real crazies like the zip tie dude but most people just wanted to protest by marching around inside the capital. You know trespassing.

Unlike the BLM riots which burned down things, did Billions of dollars in damage. Injured at least 2,000 cops. Killed around 20 people and injured countless others. Attempted murder of police officers.

Jan 6 had one person killed and that was a protestor. I actually have no issues with that bases in the circumstances surrounding it, so don't try and defend it. I'm fine with it.

But don't try and tell me it was an insurrection and government take over. They didn't have the tools, the planning or the organization to do any such thing.

They were riotous protestors and trespassers. Nothing more.

And those caught are being rightfully prosecuted of obstruction and trespassing.

 

[rjs330]

"Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes, taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.”

GOP Rep. Clyde defends ‘normal tourist visit’ comparison for Jan. 6

GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde (Ga.) defended his description of rioters walking through the Capitol on Jan. 6 appearing to look like a “normal tourist visit” during a committee meeting on Tuesday…

thehill.com

What do you think he is calling them?

He didn't say they were tourists. Pay attention. He said and I am paraphrasing, if you didn't know the time and place of what was going on you would think they were tourists.

If you showed that video with no context and asked someone what it was showing people would think they might be taking a tour of something.

He's right. You only know it's not tourists because you know the context. That's his point.

Glad to help clarify.

 

[Isilwen]

He didn't say they were tourists. Pay attention. He said and I am paraphrasing, if you didn't know the time and place of what was going on you would think they were tourists.

If you showed that video with know context and asked someone what it was showing people would think they might be taking a tour of something.

He's right. You only know it's not tourists because you know the context. That's his point.

Glad to help clarify.

You said that no one called them tourists. I proved that what you said is false. He equated them to tourists. So he pretty much called them tourists.


Glad to help clarify.

 

[USincognito]

You know no one said they were tourists. Stop spreading misinformation.

Ahem...

Perhaps he does not trust the MSM on this issue and thinks that FOX is the only network that will show everything, not just the things that will seem to incriminate Trump and innocent protesters and tourists. We all know how the MSM is biased against Trump and in favor of the Democrats.
I do not blame him.

Watch from the beginning to 2:30 on this video. This is what some people are referring to as rioting. Looks more like tourists to me, but I guess they didn't "riot correctly" like those of BLM did.

Flags, banners, backpacks, and coats are a threat to democracy now?
Maybe they wouldn't have seemed as threatening if they wore masks, and carried bricks and fireworks to throw at the police. That way they'd simply be "peacefully protesting", right?
But how dare they walk between the ropes in a calm and orderly fashion, you know, like tourists do!

From that video, you can't even tell what type of mask that is, not that it really matters. You're simply trying to distract from the fact that the people in the video were peaceful and orderly, just like any tourist.
But at least it is obvious why certain people didn't want videos like this to be seen by the public. It doesn't support the narrative of people who hate Trump and those who supported him in the election. It also casts doubt on the claims made by them.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology.

I seriously wish they would have put this much effort into finding and prosecuting all the BLM rioters.

The myth of "all the BLM rioters" is a Conservisphere fiction. If you want I can explain why in a separate thread.

These people were not insurrectionists. They were trespassers. You can't overthrow the government with flags and backpacks. You need weapons and serious coordination. And there was none of that.

I humbly suggest going back and reading Post #485

 

[DaisyDay]

You know no one said they were tourists. Stop spreading misinformation. They were behaving in an orderly fashion. They were throwing bricks and no one got gassed by them despite the dude in the mask. He probably wore cause he thought the cops might gas everyone. But you don't see him carrying a gun or busting anything. Most all of those that have been convicted were convicted of minor crimes. Some with felonies.

I seriously wish they would have put this much effort into finding and prosecuting all the BLM rioters.

These people were not insurrectionists. They were trespassers. You can't overthrow the government with flags and backpacks. You need weapons and serious coordination. And there was none of that.


And you think using the medieval combat is going to overthrow democracy? I mean they didn't even bring weapons and instead used the barricades that were on site.

No, there were some who did bring weapons. Jacob was carrying a spear.

Oh there were a few real crazies like the zip tie dude but most people just wanted to protest by marching around inside the capital. You know trespassing.

Unlike the BLM riots which burned down things, did Billions of dollars in damage. Injured at least 2,000 cops. Killed around 20 people and injured countless others. Attempted murder of police officers.

Jan 6 had one person killed and that was a protestor. I actually have no issues with that bases in the circumstances surrounding it, so don't try and defend it. I'm fine with it.

But don't try and tell me it was an insurrection and government take over. They didn't have the tools, the planning or the organization to do any such thing.

They were riotous protestors and trespassers. Nothing more.

And those caught are being rightfully prosecuted of obstruction and trespassing.

The attempt at a coup failed, but the attempt is still illegal. Their failure does not exonerate them.

 

[Bradskii]

You know no one said they were tourists. Stop spreading misinformation.

Carslon: 'They were peaceful, orderly and meek. They were no insurrectionists. They were sightseers.'

At about 1'40" in this video.

The first minute or so which actually shows people being the exact opposite of peaceful, orderly and meek. It shows a lot of violence. And this video from a guy who has admitted that they will only show you what you want to see. I cannot comprehend how gullible people can be when those they refer to for their information actually admit to lying to you.

 

[Aldebaran]

It must be great when the video evidence for one part of your narrative isn’t “good enough” to refute another aspect of your evidence. But I understand and appreciate your jest, well done.

I'm not the one who made the claim that the video showed somebody wearing a gas mask.

 

[Aldebaran]

The Capitol was closed to the Public that day, seeings as there was the 2020 Presidential Election to formally end, and the Government openly declare to the world who would be the person to take the Oath of the Office of President of the United States of America on January 20, 2021.

It’d never been that much of a “big deal” before, now it is.
What changed?

And yet, the capitol police decided to open it up by waving the people in and guide them through the building. Perhaps your issue is with the capitol police rather than the taxpayers who actually paid these peoples' salaries and for the building itself, not to mention those who work there to represent us.

 

[Aldebaran]

Hey man, I get it. Your video evidence that they were peaceful tourists there to see Statuary Hall and politely petition their government for redress was debunked by one of them clearly wearing a police/military grade gas mask. You were embarrassed and decided to try and own the libs with an insipid Covid reference.

It failed.

One person supposedly wearing a gas mask while standing off to the side while other people peacefully tour the building suddenly makes everyone guilty of insurrection? Then I guess your argument here is that if anyone riots or causes any amount of violence or damage, then the peaceful protesters or tourists are all guilty of what even a single rioter does. Is that the narrative you are attempting to construct?

 

[Aldebaran]

Hans is more than capable of defending himself, but he said NOTHING about "not liking" said items. He was giving a list of items they carried which CLEARLY indicated they were not tourists as said items are unauthorized to be carried by tourists.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

The "I demand you defend this thing you didn't state" is the lamest shtick employed by dishonest interlocutors. That said, the insurrectionists in that video are walking into the atrium of the main entrance to the House chamber. Their very presence, and the need for the House to evacuate was an attempt to overthrow democracy by preventing the certification vote and the peaceful transfer of power.

All while being guided by the capitol police to do the very thing that you are referring to as insurrection. Perhaps your issue is really with the capitol police after all.

 

[Aldebaran]

Carlson can cherry-pick whatever footage he wants, there is more footage showing that he is absolutely wrong.

The Jan. 6th committee did way more cherry picking including the video where they cut off where trump said to peacefully and patriotically march down to the capital. That part didn't fit with their narrative, so they edited that part out.

 

[Bradskii]

One person supposedly wearing a gas mask while standing off to the side while other people peacefully tour the building suddenly makes everyone guilty of insurrection? Then I guess your argument here is that if anyone riots or causes any amount of violence or damage, then the peaceful protesters or tourists are all guilty of what even a single rioter does. Is that the narrative you are attempting to construct?

Here's someone's impression of what went down:

“What happened that day was a disgrace,” he said. “And it mocks decency to portray it any other way. For as long as I live, I will never, ever diminish the injuries sustained, the lives lost, or the heroism of law enforcement on that tragic day.”

Anyone what to take a shot at who said that yesterday?

 

[Aldebaran]

Here's someone's impression of what went down:

“What happened that day was a disgrace,” he said. “And it mocks decency to portray it any other way. For as long as I live, I will never, ever diminish the injuries sustained, the lives lost, or the heroism of law enforcement on that tragic day.”

Anyone what to take a shot at who said that yesterday?

Probably some guy who has a book to sell.

 

[BPPLEE]

Carslon: 'They were peaceful, orderly and meek. They were no insurrectionists. They were sightseers.'

At about 1'40" in this video.

The first minute or so which actually shows people being the exact opposite of peaceful, orderly and meek. It shows a lot of violence. And this video from a guy who has admitted that they will only show you what you want to see. I cannot comprehend how gullible people can be when those they refer to for their information actually admit to lying to you.

CNN controversies - Wikipedia click on Allegations of Bias and Individuals

 

[BPPLEE]

Here's someone's impression of what went down:

“What happened that day was a disgrace,” he said. “And it mocks decency to portray it any other way. For as long as I live, I will never, ever diminish the injuries sustained, the lives lost, or the heroism of law enforcement on that tragic day.”

Anyone what to take a shot at who said that yesterday?

I would guess Pence

 

[Arcangl86]

That's because they are the only one that is more right wing. Main stream media is where everyone else is. Which is leftist media that is far more prevalent. CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN etc etc al. And all the newspapers in the country and news magazines etc. That's all main stream and every single one of them is leftist.

So Fox shows up and doesn't fit within the parameters of everyone else. They are away from the main stream.

Do they have a large audience. I think so. But all this angst about Fox is ridiculous when compared to what everyone else is and has done on the left side.

Fox News has about 1.5 million views a day. It's two competitors in the cable news space are CNN and MSNCB. Those two channels have a combined viewership of around 1.3 million. So in it's actual industry, Fox News is not only in the mainstream but the dominant provider. Let's talk about network TV. Sinclair Broadcasting, which is the second largest operator of television channels in the country is famous for skewing right, to the point where the local news anchors were required to read statements based on conservative talking points. The biggest operator of television channels in the country is NexStar, and they appear to be trying to stay more center of the road when it comes to political reporting.

I will say that print media appears to be more liberal as a whole, but even there conservative publications do very well. Leaving aside USA Today which has a rather muddled political history, 3 of the top 6 papers are liberal and 2 of the top 6 are conservative. The two conservative papers, incidentally both owned by the same company, have a combined circulation of around 1.4 million people. Those papers are the Wall Street Journal and NY Post in case you are wondering. The three liberal papers, NYT, WP and LA Times, combine to have a circulation of around 1.1 million people. So again, the conservative papers are actually slightly dominate.

So it's hard to claim that Fox News is some kind of radical outsider when the numbers show that conservatives media outlets are just as much in the mainstream as liberal outlets.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Fox News has about 1.5 million views a day. It's two competitors in the cable news space are CNN and MSNCB. Those two channels have a combined viewership of around 1.3 million. So in it's actual industry, Fox News is not only in the mainstream but the dominant provider. Let's talk about network TV. Sinclair Broadcasting, which is the second largest operator of television channels in the country is famous for skewing right, to the point where the local news anchors were required to read statements based on conservative talking points. The biggest operator of television channels in the country is NexStar, and they appear to be trying to stay more center of the road when it comes to political reporting.

I will say that print media appears to be more liberal as a whole, but even there conservative publications do very well. Leaving aside USA Today which has a rather muddled political history, 3 of the top 6 papers are liberal and 2 of the top 6 are conservative. The two conservative papers, incidentally both owned by the same company, have a combined circulation of around 1.4 million people. Those papers are the Wall Street Journal and NY Post in case you are wondering. The three liberal papers, NYT, WP and LA Times, combine to have a circulation of around 1.1 million people. So again, the conservative papers are actually slightly dominate.

So it's hard to claim that Fox News is some kind of radical outsider when the numbers show that conservatives media outlets are just as much in the mainstream as liberal outlets.

Not that I question your general point, but those newspaper numbers only count print subscriptions, whereas digital (at least at NYT) outnumbers it more than 10:1.

The Times Reports 11% Increase in Revenue as Digital Subscriptions Climb (Published 2023)

The company said it added more than a million digital subscribers in 2022, bringing its total number of paying subscribers to 9.6 million.

www.nytimes.com

 

[USincognito]

I'm not the one who made the claim that the video showed somebody wearing a gas mask.

There is no "claim" that the video shows a guy wearing a gas mask. There is a screenshot from the video of someone wearing a gas mask. The alternative facts folks in this thread seem to be having trouble accepting that fact.

One person supposedly wearing a gas mask while standing off to the side while other people peacefully tour the building suddenly makes everyone guilty of insurrection? Then I guess your argument here is that if anyone riots or causes any amount of violence or damage, then the peaceful protesters or tourists are all guilty of what even a single rioter does. Is that the narrative you are attempting to construct?

I realize I've been away for several years, but you can see by my post count that I have no trouble speaking of myself. If that was the point I wanted to make, I would have made it. Since I did not make that point, you should have concluded that was not the point I was making.

All while being guided by the capitol police to do the very thing that you are referring to as insurrection. Perhaps your issue is really with the capitol police after all.

No one in the statuary hall video was being "guided by capitol police". You might be conflating the video we're discussing (the statuary hall video) with the video where Chensley is being shadowed by CHP who are asking him to leave the building.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I realize I've been away for several years,

*looks at post history*

Oh wow, I had no idea it had been that long. Nothing ever really changes around here, does it?

 

[USincognito]

That's because they are the only one that is more right wing. Main stream media is where everyone else is. Which is leftist media that is far more prevalent. CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN etc etc al. And all the newspapers in the country and news magazines etc. That's all main stream and every single one of them is leftist.

I'm going to offer an opinion that the conservative members commenting will immediately reject, but Fox isn't out of the mainstream and it's not right wing. Fox has well known contributors, has high profile interviews and Peter Doocey has a regular seat in the White House Press room. When Senators and the President appear on your channel, you're not out of the mainstream. I'd also say they're not right wing. They certainly are well to the right and have spent 5 of the last 7 years in the thrall of Donald, but that doesn't quality as right wing. Newsmax, OAN and RSBN are right wing.

That said, calling rest of the media "leftist" is just silly. For one thing, while conservatives have started using it as their latest epithet for anyone left of center, it's not accurate to do so. Leftists are (actual) communists, socialists and left-wing anarchists. The networks listed are above all corporate media (just as Fox is, which we learned from the Dominion Fox Files texts). That's why Chris Licht was brought in to change CNN. He's there to raise ratings and revenue. The big three are primarily entertainment networks with news divisions.

The only actual leftist media I can think of are Free Speech TV and Mother Jones.