the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

[Hans Blaster]

That's from 1933.

People did not hide their racist views as much back then.

Or now.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Or now.

Having just waded through this topic, it occurs to me that the one good thing about it is that it reminds us that there are still such people around. I can understand differing political and even moral viewpoints, but the denial (ignorance?) of basic biological facts is very sad.

 

[FireDragon76]

Nope, this is just early 20th century racist pseudoscience, which unfortunately wasn't uncommon.

There may be differences between Germanic peoples and Latin or Greek peoples, but this is mostly due to cultural differences due to the presence of deep-seated assumptions, typically owing to things like religion. It's been noted that English produced more advances in sciences that used instrumental reason (Newtonian physics, computer science), and that Germans excelled at chemistry, optics, astronomy, and other sciences dependent on empirical observations, as well as tolerating seeming paradoxes, as in particle and quantum physics. The differences may be due to the different emphases between Calvinism and Lutheranism, and are overall relatively small.

 

[Ligurian]

Quoting films and running off do not change facts.

You seem to be one of those people who say stuff without ever offering references... a sort of "time out, I forgot to bring ammo" thing. But maybe you're only that person around me.

 

[Ligurian]

Just to clarify - is your post an implicit piece of Holocaust denial? If not, what is your central point?

How many Germans are responsible for whatever happened at Auschwitz?
How many Russians are responsible for the Ukraine Holodomor?
How many people died world-wide during the World Wars? ... ... Cui Bono?

That's from 1933.

People did not hide their racist views as much back then.

"Paganism has broadly connoted the "religion of the peasantry".

 

[Ligurian]

Nope, this is just early 20th century racist pseudoscience, which unfortunately wasn't uncommon.

There may be differences between Germanic peoples and Latin or Greek peoples, but this is mostly due to cultural differences due to the presence of deep-seated assumptions, typically owing to things like religion. It's been noted that English produced more advances in sciences that used instrumental reason (Newtonian physics, computer science), and that Germans excelled at chemistry, optics, astronomy, and other sciences dependent on empirical observations, as well as tolerating seeming paradoxes, as in particle and quantum physics. The differences may be due to the different emphases between Calvinism and Lutheranism, and are overall relatively small.

"Cultural differences" brought about a change in hair- eye- and skin-color? Seriously?
It was culture that changed beefy Caledonians into wiry Silurians... not intermarriage?
There used to be a theory that a change in altitude and temperature would change these genetic traits. It may or may not be true... but man doesn't spend much time outdoors, these days... so it'd be hard to check and see if climate is a factor.
--But I'm doubting that "culture" has anything to do with race... or the DNA people are wasting time and should consider turning from science to sociology.

If "religion" is the cause of these differences, how many Lutherans and Calvinists are blonde?
The Holy Roman Empire of Germany... how did it change from the Mediterranean to Nordic type?
The difference between English and German is practically nil, which explains why they have the same scientific nature.

The Germans and Astronomy... that's a new one. Because it seems as though the nations which built temple observatories for the stars would have been called THE astro-nomos/logos of the nations... i.e., Egyptians and Babylonians, Persians and Britons: Pythagoreans taught by Briton's Druids.

"Tolerating paradoxes"... double-think?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You seem to be one of those people who say stuff without ever offering references... a sort of "time out, I forgot to bring ammo" thing. But maybe you're only that person around me.

You're the one who quoted films at me pretending you even had a point.

This coming from the guy who quotes nothing but antiquated and outdated rhetoric to justify something horrible. You are spouting racist rhetoric, and there is no two ways about it. You have no once shown that there is such a thing a 'Teutonic race' or a 'Latin race'. All you've done is horribly misconstrue ethnicity with race.

 

[Ophiolite]

How many Germans are responsible for whatever happened at Auschwitz?
How many Russians are responsible for the Ukraine Holodomor?
How many people died world-wide during the World Wars? ... ... Cui Bono?

I shall be happy to answer your questions when you have the courtesy to answer mine. FYI, asking questions as a way of answering a question is cute, but it is rather old school. As others have pointed out, that seems to be your trademark.

 

[Ligurian]

All you've done is horribly misconstrue ethnicity with race.

"ethnology

ĕth-nŏl′ə-jē

noun​

1. The branch of anthropology that analyzes and compares human cultures, as in social structure, language, religion, and technology; cultural anthropology.
2. The science of the races of men and of their character, history, customs, and institutions. See the extract.
3. The science which treats of the division of mankind into races, their origin, distribution, and relations, and the peculiarities which characterize them.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition."

 

[Ligurian]

Just to clarify - is your post an implicit piece of Holocaust denial? If not, what is your central point?

When did you stop beating your wife? is circular reasoning. And so is your question.

 

[Ligurian]

How many Germans are responsible for whatever happened at Auschwitz?
How many Russians are responsible for the Ukraine Holodomor?
How many people died world-wide during the World Wars? ... ... Cui Bono?

I shall be happy to answer your questions when you have the courtesy to answer mine.

See post 50 above.

Now will you answer the first question I asked you:
How many Germans are responsible for whatever happened at Auschwitz?
_______________________
Answers to questions 2 and 3:

How many Russians are responsible for the Ukraine Holodomor?

Stalin (Ioseb Dzhugashvili) was a Georgian...

“Joseph Stalin and those around him committed genocide against the Ukrainians in 1932–1933.
... 3.9 million Ukrainians”
Holodomor | Facts, Definition, & Death Toll

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How many people died world-wide during the World Wars?

WWI: "8,500,000 soldiers ... 13,000,000 civilians"
--Britannica
WWII: "35,000,000 to 60,000,000"
--Britannica
_______________________

Question 4: ... ... Cui Bono?

"The War Guilt Clause meant Germany had to pay for all of the damage caused in the war. This figure was decided to be £6.6 billion in 1921, and was finally paid off in 2010."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z94cwmn/articles/zwj9cmn

The Treaty of Versailles was the cause of WWII.

"The treaty was drafted in the spring of 1919 during the Paris Peace Conference, which was conducted even as the world was in the grip of the influenza pandemic of 1918–19. The conference was dominated by the national leaders known as the “Big Four”—David Lloyd George, the prime minister of the United Kingdom; Georges Clemenceau, the prime minister of France; Woodrow Wilson, the president of the United States; and Vittorio Orlando, the prime minister of Italy. The first three in particular made the important decisions."
--Britannica, Treaty-of-Versailles-1919


But who really started WWI?

"[Gavrilo] Princip was sentenced to 20 years in prison – the maximum penalty for someone his age at the time..."
The man who started WWI: 7 things you didn't know | CNN

CNN calls him "history’s greatest teenage troublemaker". (snort)
But Britannia says Princip was a member of the Black Hand... so who were the Black Hand?
The 'Black Hand' Played a Huge Role in Twentieth Century History

"In the spring of 1914, Apis decided that Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austrian throne, should die. His reasons for his decision are not documented. The heir-apparent's planned reforms for the Austro-Hungarian empire certainly posed a threat to Pan-Slavism. When Franz Ferdinand scheduled a visit to Sarajevo in late June, plans for his murder were laid. Apis' chief aide, Major Tankosic, recruited three young Bosnian Serbs from the seamy coffee shops of Belgrade. Gavrilo Princip, Nedjilko Cabrinovic, and Trifko Grabez were trained and supplied from a base in Serbia. Princip was ultimately successful in carrying out their mission. The assassination became the spark that ignited a world war."
Dimitrijvic - World War I Document Archive

 

[Hans Blaster]

When did you stop beating your wife? is circular reasoning. And so is your question.

No. That's known as "Poisoning the Well". Circular reasoning is using the conclusion to demonstrate the evidence that proves the conclusion.

As for the claim you were replying to... I can't tell if that post was some sort of Holocaust denial because like many of your longer posts it is incoherent. But, I have my concerns...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"ethnology

ĕth-nŏl′ə-jē

noun​

1. The branch of anthropology that analyzes and compares human cultures, as in social structure, language, religion, and technology; cultural anthropology.
2. The science of the races of men and of their character, history, customs, and institutions. See the extract.
3. The science which treats of the division of mankind into races, their origin, distribution, and relations, and the peculiarities which characterize them.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition."

And yet you are using nothing of the sort. You are claiming that there is a Teutonic race and a Latin race, and yet you have presented nothing except outdated concepts and poor understandings of science on your part.

 

[Ligurian]

You are claiming that there is a Teutonic race and a Latin race

Have you ever filled out a census form?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D528/production/_109986545_censusform.jpg

Did you answer question 17?

 

[Ligurian]

No. That's known as "Poisoning the Well". Circular reasoning is using the conclusion to demonstrate the evidence that proves the conclusion.

"Strawman" "Leading the witness" "poisoning the well", "circular reasoning"... doesn't matter what you call it.
It's all done by those who start with their own personal bias and push it onto others... at best. At worst, it's done for the purpose of character assassination... to make their opponent back off/shut up/go away. It's all about manipulation, and tends to toss in hot-button phrases...

As for the claim you were replying to... I can't tell if that post was some sort of Holocaust denial because like many of your longer posts it is incoherent. But, I have my concerns...

But if their opponent sticks to the facts, and adds references...

"The Soviet Union even went so far as to include the Katyn Massacre
among the list of Nazi war crimes presented at the Nuremberg trials.
...
"Members of various counter-revolutionary spy and sabotage organizations, former landowners, factory owners, former Polish Army officers, government officials, and fugitives – [are] to be considered in a special manner with the obligatory sentence of capital punishment – shooting."{document translation}
...
While in the early ’90s Gorbachev’s successor Boris Yeltsin did take Stalin’s execution order to Warsaw to formally apologize on behalf of his country, it was not until a European Court of Human Rights ruling in 2012 that Katyn was officially recognized as a Soviet war crime."

The Katyn Massacre: When Stalin Ordered The Execution Of 22,000 Men, Then Blamed The Nazis

The full facts of the 1940 Katyn massacre were not officially and internationally recognized until 2012.

allthatsinteresting.com

The Truth Is Out There.

 

[Hans Blaster]

"Strawman" "Leading the witness" "poisoning the well", "circular reasoning"... doesn't matter what you call it.
It's all done by those who start with their own personal bias and push it onto others... at best. At worst, it's done for the purpose of character assassination... to make their opponent back off/shut up/go away. It's all about manipulation, and tends to toss in hot-button phrases...

I happen to think facts matter. And that includes using the right names for particular logical fallacies.

But if their opponent sticks to the facts, and adds references...

"The Soviet Union even went so far as to include the Katyn Massacre
among the list of Nazi war crimes presented at the Nuremberg trials.
...
"Members of various counter-revolutionary spy and sabotage organizations, former landowners, factory owners, former Polish Army officers, government officials, and fugitives – [are] to be considered in a special manner with the obligatory sentence of capital punishment – shooting."{document translation}
...
While in the early ’90s Gorbachev’s successor Boris Yeltsin did take Stalin’s execution order to Warsaw to formally apologize on behalf of his country, it was not until a European Court of Human Rights ruling in 2012 that Katyn was officially recognized as a Soviet war crime."

The Katyn Massacre: When Stalin Ordered The Execution Of 22,000 Men, Then Blamed The Nazis

The full facts of the 1940 Katyn massacre were not officially and internationally recognized until 2012.

allthatsinteresting.com

I'm sorry what does this have to do with anything? Stalin was a monster. Did anyone argue otherwise?

The Truth Is Out There.

What truth is out there? My little ol' Teutonic brain is having problems understanding what you are trying to express.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Have you ever filled out a census form?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D528/production/_109986545_censusform.jpg

Did you answer question 17?

I see no listed races of Teutonic or Latin in that.

Your whole post hinges on your claim that there is such a thing as a Teutonic race and a Latin race, and yet you have not presented a single shred of evidence to show that.

 

[Ophiolite]

When did you stop beating your wife? is circular reasoning. And so is your question.

My question is not akin to "When did you stop beating your wife?". It is equivalent to "Did you ever beat your wife?"

Consequently, you have not answered my question. I repeat it for you - is your post an implicit piece of Holocaust denial?

It reads like an implicit piece of holocaust denial. I am giving you the opportunity to say whether it is, or isn't. It's not a difficult question.

As to your lengthy post #51, what is your point. For the record:
1. I am aware that war is a nasty business.
2. I am aware that many people, military and civilians, die in war.
3. I am aware that the causes of war are deep and complex.
Your post #51 simply illustrates those three points. If you were trying to say something other than that then you need state your point clearly instead of vacillating and equivocating.

 

[Ligurian]

It reads like an implicit piece of holocaust denial. I am giving you the opportunity to say whether it is, or isn't. It's not a difficult question.

"On January 27, 1945, Soviet troops enter Auschwitz, Poland..."
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviets-liberate-auschwitz

Personally, I can't tell what really happened... can you?

As for the claim you were replying to... I can't tell if that post was some sort of Holocaust denial because like many of your longer posts it is incoherent. But, I have my concerns...

I don't trust the Soviets. For those who do, I have my concerns...

"The Soviet Union even went so far as to include the Katyn Massacre
among the list of Nazi war crimes presented at the Nuremberg trials..."

"DR. STAHMER: With reference to the events at Katyn, the Indictment contains only the remark: "In September 1941 11,000 Polish officers, prisoners of war, were killed in the Katyn woods near Smolensk." The Russian Prosecution only submitted the details at the session of 14 February 1946. Document USSR-54 was then submitted to the Tribunal. This document is an official report by the Extraordinary State Commission, which was officially authorized to investigate the Katyn case. This commission, after questioning the witnesses. . ."
The Avalon Project : Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 17

"When the Allied Powers of World War II founded the post-war International Military Tribunal to examine war crimes committed during the conflict by Nazi Germany, with officials from the Soviet Union taking an active part in the judicial processes, there was no examination of Allied Forces' actions and no charges were ever brought against its troops, because they were also an undefeated power which then held Europe under military occupation, marring the historical authority of the Tribunal's activity as being, in part, victor's justice."
Soviet war crimes - Wikipedia

"For politicians and historians who helped create the classic narrative of Nuremberg, the role of the Soviets in the International Military Tribunal (IMT) was, and remains, an awkward fact. Most English-language accounts describe Soviet participation in Nuremberg as “the Achilles’ heel” of the trials: regrettable but unavoidable, a Faustian bargain that the U.S. and Britain made in order to bring closure to the war and bring the Nazis to justice.2 Popular works that have shaped conventional wisdom about the trials give little attention to the substantive role that the Soviets had in all aspects of the IMT.3
https://media.law.wisc.edu/s/c_360/jmdjk/francine_nuremburg.pdf

The book in the link below was written by a woman who went looking for the "worker's paradise"... yep, she's bitter, alright. Read Gulag Archipelago and The White Sea Canal and you might see a bit more about why that is.

The high cost of vengeance : Utley, Freda

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

All this time, and they've still not show how there's a Teutonic race and a Latin race.

It's almost as if... they can't.