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the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

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Teutonic means Germans, who are also called the Aryans. There are many overlord kingdoms that came from these people. (The Mitanni and Hittites are the two you might be more familiar with. The Mitanni were the foreign overlords of the Hurrians. The Hittites took over the Hatti kingdom with whom the Egyptians had dealt.) But the Saxons were the Sacae from beyond Iran... they were Scythians. The Scythians chased the Cimmerians off the Caspian steppe into the Chersonesus. And the Cimbri are probably the Cimmerians. These Cimbri show up on Cirencester's map, here:

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See them? Cimbri are at KL and ED on the Cornish Peninsula. They weren't in Silurian Wales, but in Devon and Somerset... apparently a conquest is responsible for the name Cambrian farther north, and the addition of "Cymry" into Silurian history. The Cymry were never Silurians... they mention the Silurian Dialect as being what the Bardic ordinances were written in.

All of Wales was originally either Silurian or their dependent tribes, the Demetae and the Ordovices, and the Ordivices' dependent tribe seated on the Snowdon Range and on the island next to it. The older writers came to the conclusion that the Indigenous Silurians were an Iberian Tribe, and that the Druids were from these tribes. Modernists say the Celts of Caesar were the Druids, but it isn't true. The Celts had a very different religion from that...
and were big strawberry blondes, not small dark Welsh and Cornish.

People like to think Cirencester was a fraud because that's what they tend to call all inconvenient history, these days.

The Latins are originally Ligurians whom the ancient authors say lived on the southern coast of Portugal and were known as the Cynetes (in several different spellings). The whole Iberian Peninsula was called Ligurian, back in the day. But the Celts invaded. And then Augustus Caesar took some Ligurian tribes and switched them with two North African tribes who were called Iberian, etc.

Ligurian tribes were in France and Liguria and Italy. The legend of Marsailles says a Ligurian princess chose a Greek husband. Just above Marsailles was the Ligurian Nemeton (aka, Druid grove) whom the Romans burned down to support the Greeks.

The Lepontic Inscriptions are Ligurian, as proven by Whatmough. Celtic from the center is the theory that the Celtic language developed in Gaul... by Patrick Sims-Williams.

Peet is the archaeologist who pulled together previous Italian writings, and says that Italy was a Ligurian peninsula, in a book called the Stone and Bronze Ages in Italy and Sicily.

Ridgeway, in a paper called Who were the Romans?, pulls together the Greek writings that show the Indigenes of Rome to have been the Ligurians. And he says that the incoming Pelasgians worked with the Ligurians against the common enemy: Umbrians and Sabines... which were Gaulish tribes, similar to what we call Celts today. The Ligurians melded with the pre-Greek Pelasgians and together were called the Plebeians, while the Gauls became the Patricians of Rome by conquest.

It happens everywhere. The incoming invaders are overlords of the indigenous plebeian/peon. The Roman Empire wasn't being run by the Ligurians or the Pelasgians... it was run by the Gauls who ruled Rome.

So... where did the Gauls come from? What language did they speak before they learned Ligurian Latin? My guess would be that the people called Celts were the ones who made that jewelry. Halstatt wasn't Celtic, it seems to have been Slavic or Germanic. The same shield wikipedia used to call Celtic they used to call Scythian at the same time... they weren't wrong. Except German is not Celtic... so why do the Scandinavians speak Germanic?

People who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it.
No wonder the ruling people destroy histories and/or call them forgeries.

And yet Christian does not mean "Chosen race" in any way shape or form., so you might as well give that part up.


That was a brilliantly longwinded and informative post that in no way answered my question directed to you. So I shall repeat my question:
And tell me: what actually IS the difference between the Teutonic 'race' and the Latin 'race'? Since you seem to support the idea that they are different races, there must be some way to tell them apart. And no, language, culture and art are not indicative of race.


And this is just a massive non-sequitur comment on a post that already makes zero sense.

Oh well, at least it was an "informative post", right? ;)

Language, Burial-Rites/Religion, Archaeology and Literature were used to determine Ethnology, back in the day.
Now, there's a melting-pot-theory in the mainstream... so those who follow the mainstream are all the same.

You haven't noticed the terms "small dark" and "big blonde"
in my post to which you've replied,* or you might not
still be asking me how to tell "Latin race" from "Teutonic race".
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* End of the 3rd paragraph in the first quote above... I've colored it so you won't miss it again... you're welcome.
The difference between Celts and Germans: the Germans were more blonde than Caesar's Gauls/Celts.
 
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In the 1930's there was a lot of sympathy for the Nazis in some circles, sometimes by far right wing characters, and also by people who just thought Hitler was doing great things for Germany.

It took World War II and the concentration camps to disillusion the second group. Charles Lindbergh, the hero of the first Atlantic crossing by air, was one of them.

The English ran Boer Concentration Camps... before the World Wars.
There were Japanese in American Concentration Camps... during WWII.
Soviet Concentration/Labor Camps called Gulag... before, during and after WWII.
Eisenhower ran Concentration Camps on the Rhine... after WWII.

If "we the people" did it, then it must not have been wrong... right?
"until her conscience has been found"


There was a also a lot of sympathy for the Communists, again by far left wing characters, and by people who just thought Stalin was the working man's hero. In upper class circles in England, there was the Cambridge Five for example.

Cambridge Five spy ring members 'hopeless drunks'

It took the Cold War and the news of Gulags, the Holodomor, the KGB etc to disillusion the second group.

Even my old pastor fell prey to Soviet duplicity to some extent, and he wasn't easily fooled. I think he might have been in the "Ban the Bomb" movement way back when he was young. But an older pastor told him the Soviets were behind it.

He didn't believe him, but he noticed that as soon as the Soviets got the bomb, the "Ban the Bomb" movement vaporised like someone standing close to Ground Zero.

After that he was more cynical.

I suspect Mr. Carpenter may have had passing sympathy for Hitler's work in Germany.

You don't think the Americans, English and French, knew about what was happening to Russia when they all became Allies against the Germans? If you only heard one side of the story, then you only heard one side of the story. They carved up Europe and carried the pieces away (Operation Paper Clip, etc.). The German civilians were starved into the arms of the Communists in Russia... the real reason for the war? Care to know some of the things blamed on the Germans during the Trials that the Soviets had actually done? Katyn Forest, for starters...

Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
Why is Your Country at War and What Happens to You After the War, By Charles August Lindbergh
McCarthysim: the Fight for America, by Joseph McCarthy
1984 by George Orwell

And no, I'm still not German. I dislike any people coveting, then murdering, then stealing what belongs to someone else. You don't just expand into someone else's country... you migrate by their permission or you're robbing them, straight up.
 
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Who's arguing? The point I made was there was sympathy for both Nazis and the Communists during the 1930's. I said I suspected Rhys Carpenter had some sympathy to the Nazi or "Teutonic" mindset at the time as that was when he was writing, with the date of publication being 1933.

What happened during the Boer War fifty years before, or to German prisoners during and after World War II, or Katyn Forest in Poland when Polish officers were slaughtered by the Soviets doesn't have any relevance to the topic you raised in your original post.
 
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You haven't noticed the terms "small dark" and "big blonde"
in my post to which you've replied,* or you might not
still be asking me how to tell "Latin race" from "Teutonic race".

Except that those are not indicators of race, especially in Indo-European phenotype groups which can show the same thing. You can get blond Italians and dark haired Scandinavians. You can get short Germans and tall Spaniards. You can get blonde Indians and blonde Iranians.
That is not an indicator of race and to say otherwise is to show your own racist thinking.

You have not shown that there is such a thing as a Teutonic race or a Latin race because you cannot show such a thing.
 
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Who's arguing? The point I made was there was sympathy for both Nazis and the Communists during the 1930's. I said I suspected Rhys Carpenter had some sympathy to the Nazi or "Teutonic" mindset at the time as that was when he was writing, with the date of publication being 1933.

What happened during the Boer War fifty years before, or to German prisoners during and after World War II, or Katyn Forest in Poland when Polish officers were slaughtered by the Soviets doesn't have any relevance to the topic you raised in your original post.

I have a feeling it's a major case of "whataboutism".
 
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In the 1930's there was a lot of sympathy for the Nazis in some circles, sometimes by far right wing characters, and also by people who just thought Hitler was doing great things for Germany.

It took World War II and the concentration camps to disillusion the second group. [...]

I suspect Mr. Carpenter may have had passing sympathy for Hitler's work in Germany.

The English ran Boer Concentration Camps... before the World Wars.
There were Japanese in American Concentration Camps... during WWII.
Soviet Concentration/Labor Camps called Gulag... before, during and after WWII.
Eisenhower ran Concentration Camps on the Rhine... after WWII.

Who's arguing? The point I made was there was sympathy for both Nazis and the Communists during the 1930's. I said I suspected Rhys Carpenter had some sympathy to the Nazi or "Teutonic" mindset at the time as that was when he was writing, with the date of publication being 1933.

What happened during the Boer War fifty years before, or to German prisoners during and after World War II, or Katyn Forest in Poland when Polish officers were slaughtered by the Soviets doesn't have any relevance to the topic you raised in your original post.

If you didn't want it talked about, then you shouldn't have brought it up. If you mention Disillusionment because of one set of camps... you should expect to hear the other side of the story. ... ... ... So, if it took Some Concentration Camps to disillusion some people during The War, didn't they know about the Other Concentration Camps... some of which had already been done before "The War to End All Wars"?

Did the War Crime Trials actually prove anything... since Katyn Forest was done by the same Communists who were busy pointing the finger at the Germans... and now we have the paper authorizing the kills signed by a Communist in Russia? How much else was fabricated at the show-trials? Maybe the automatic spanking machine wasn't real either.

You also brought up The Trials when you mentioned concentration camps. Wasn't the Fire-Storm of Dresden a War Crime? Wasn't the Eisenhower death camp a War Crime... or rather, an after-the-War Crime? (Do people still like Ike?)
When will the disillusionment begin because of these War Crime Trials? Because the libraries have been opened and their books unsealed, so we can know about Orwell's Ministry of Truth in both Soviet Russia and England. People who really want to become disillusioned need to go read there. Much of this is already in book form, along with the copies of cables about Pearl Harbor's Day of Deceit. (Do people still like Roosevelt?)

From what I've read, the Germans were keeping Geneva Convention law by moving concentration-camp-people away from the War Zones happening on two fronts, simultaneously. The railways were being bombed which stopped medicine and food from getting to anyone in the camps. It's hard to believe that the War-mongers didn't know that their saturation-bombing was causing Typhus and Starvation at the camps.

----Edited to change UN law to Geneva Convention law----
 
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From what I've read, the Germans were keeping UN law by moving concentration-camp-people away from the War Zones happening on two fronts, simultaneously.

You should re-read some things then:

1. The UN doesn't make law in the normal sense.
2. The UN didn't exist during WW II. The agreement to form it was signed about 2 weeks before Germany surrendered and didn't come into operation until later that year.
 
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Oh well, at least it was an "informative post", right? ;)

Language, Burial-Rites/Religion, Archaeology and Literature were used to determine Ethnology, back in the day.
Now, there's a melting-pot-theory in the mainstream... so those who follow the mainstream are all the same.

You haven't noticed the terms "small dark" and "big blonde"
in my post to which you've replied,* or you might not
still be asking me how to tell "Latin race" from "Teutonic race".
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* End of the 3rd paragraph in the first quote above... I've colored it so you won't miss it again... you're welcome.
The difference between Celts and Germans: the Germans were more blonde than Caesar's Gauls/Celts.

Except that those are not indicators of race, especially in Indo-European phenotype groups which can show the same thing. You can get blond Italians and dark haired Scandinavians. You can get short Germans and tall Spaniards. You can get blonde Indians and blonde Iranians.
That is not an indicator of race and to say otherwise is to show your own racist thinking.

You have not shown that there is such a thing as a Teutonic race or a Latin race because you cannot show such a thing.

The way to get "blonde Italians" is by race-mixing. For Example, mixing Umbrian-Gauls with the Ligurians and Pelasgians of the Mediterranean Race.

Your "Indo-European phenotype" seems made up. Some Germans were theorizing about Indo-Germanic languages... they added Celtic to that and created Indo-European out of whole cloth. (Indians and Germans have very little in common. The Indians are now saying that there never was a German-invasion among them. Ancient Egyptians were probably Indians.)

Tacitus's big burly strawberry-blonde Caledonians don't look like the short swarthy Iberians. And when they did a blood-group test in 1965 on Welsh miners and their supervisors... they didn't match, either. In that report, the body types of the two groups were noted: the Welsh men standing 5'6". The Welsh were blood type O, and their supervisors were blood type A. Archaeologist Boyd Dawkins noticed that same body type of Welshmen when he wrote The Place of the Welsh in the History of Britain.

But you might as well be saying that we all came from the same blood...
then we'd all have to wonder which people bred with lower primates to get the other two blood types.
 
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You should re-read some things then:

1. The UN doesn't make law in the normal sense.
2. The UN didn't exist during WW II. The agreement to form it was signed about 2 weeks before Germany surrendered and didn't come into operation until later that year.

Thanks so much for the help!

I was actually thinking of the Geneva Convention.

"After World War I, it was clear the 1906 Convention and The Hague Convention of 1907 didn’t go far enough. In 1929, updates were made to further the civilized treatment of prisoners of war.
The new updates stated all prisoners must be treated with compassion and live in humane conditions. It also laid out rules for the daily lives of prisoners and established the International Red Cross as the main neutral organization responsible for collecting and transmitting data about prisoners of war and the wounded or killed."

There's a picture of the Auschwitz swimming pool in one of those Red Cross magazines.

As for the rules of these War Crimes Trials...
Nuremberg Charter

"Article 19: The tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value."

So the jurors themselves decided what was called "proof". Were the jurors unbiased? And why the rush?

Nontechnical procedure, given what happened, meant not giving the accused any time to defend themselves.
Technical rules of evidence, given what happened, meant the "witnesses" were not at the trial, etc., etc.

Would you want to be judged by these rules?
 
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The way to get "blonde Italians" is by race-mixing. For Example, mixing Umbrian-Gauls with the Ligurians and Pelasgians of the Mediterranean Race.

Your "Indo-European phenotype" seems made up. Some Germans were theorizing about Indo-Germanic languages... they added Celtic to that and created Indo-European out of whole cloth. (Indians and Germans have very little in common. The Indians are now saying that there never was a German-invasion among them. Ancient Egyptians were probably Indians.)

Tacitus's big burly strawberry-blonde Caledonians don't look like the short swarthy Iberians. And when they did a blood-group test in 1965 on Welsh miners and their supervisors... they didn't match, either. In that report, the body types of the two groups were noted: the Welsh men standing 5'6". The Welsh were blood type O, and their supervisors were blood type A. Archaeologist Boyd Dawkins noticed that same body type of Welshmen when he wrote The Place of the Welsh in the History of Britain.

But you might as well be saying that we all came from the same blood...
then we'd all have to wonder which people bred with lower primates to get the other two blood types.

Except that Germans and Italians are not separate races! You have not once shown how they separate races.

If you don't know what Indo-European means then you're not as well educated as you make yourself out to be.

Blood group and height and hair colour alone do not determine what makes a racial group. It never has and it never will.

All you are doing is spouting racist rhetoric, the same type used by the Nazis, and you think you're being clever? How are you this blind?
 
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you might as well be saying that we all came from the same blood...
then we'd all have to wonder which people bred with lower primates to get the other two blood types.

Except that Germans and Italians are not separate races! [snip]

don't know what Indo-European means [snip]

Blood group and height and hair colour alone do not determine what makes a racial group. [snip]

racist rhetoric, the same type used by the Nazis [snip]

"Time out, I brought the wrong bullets."--The Survivors
"The only winning move is not to play."--War Games
 
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But you might as well be saying that we all came from the same blood...
then we'd all have to wonder which people bred with lower primates to get the other two blood types.

I actually missed this comment, but again, all you're doing is showing that you really do not actually understand a single thing about biology.

You have had no leg to stand on throughout this whole thread, and all you've done is parrot racist rhetoric in the guise of 'enlightenment', is all too common a thing nowadays.
 
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The way to get "blonde Italians" is by race-mixing. For Example, mixing Umbrian-Gauls with the Ligurians and Pelasgians of the Mediterranean Race.

Your "Indo-European phenotype" seems made up. Some Germans were theorizing about Indo-Germanic languages... they added Celtic to that and created Indo-European out of whole cloth. (Indians and Germans have very little in common. The Indians are now saying that there never was a German-invasion among them. Ancient Egyptians were probably Indians.)

Tacitus's big burly strawberry-blonde Caledonians don't look like the short swarthy Iberians. And when they did a blood-group test in 1965 on Welsh miners and their supervisors... they didn't match, either. In that report, the body types of the two groups were noted: the Welsh men standing 5'6". The Welsh were blood type O, and their supervisors were blood type A. Archaeologist Boyd Dawkins noticed that same body type of Welshmen when he wrote The Place of the Welsh in the History of Britain.

But you might as well be saying that we all came from the same blood...
then we'd all have to wonder which people bred with lower primates to get the other two blood types.

I actually missed this comment, but again, all you're doing is showing that you really do not actually understand a single thing about biology.

You have had no leg to stand on throughout this whole thread, and all you've done is parrot racist rhetoric in the guise of 'enlightenment', is all too common a thing nowadays.

aka...
"Time out, I brought the wrong bullets."--The Survivors
"The only winning move is not to play."--War Games
 
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Thanks so much for the help!

I was actually thinking of the Geneva Convention.

"After World War I, it was clear the 1906 Convention and The Hague Convention of 1907 didn’t go far enough. In 1929, updates were made to further the civilized treatment of prisoners of war.
The new updates stated all prisoners must be treated with compassion and live in humane conditions. It also laid out rules for the daily lives of prisoners and established the International Red Cross as the main neutral organization responsible for collecting and transmitting data about prisoners of war and the wounded or killed."

There's a picture of the Auschwitz swimming pool in one of those Red Cross magazines.

As for the rules of these War Crimes Trials...
Nuremberg Charter

"Article 19: The tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value."

So the jurors themselves decided what was called "proof". Were the jurors unbiased? And why the rush?

Nontechnical procedure, given what happened, meant not giving the accused any time to defend themselves.
Technical rules of evidence, given what happened, meant the "witnesses" were not at the trial, etc., etc.

Would you want to be judged by these rules?
Just to clarify - is your post an implicit piece of Holocaust denial? If not, what is your central point?
 
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the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

"The Latin (and Levantine) brain visualises the conclusion before it has collected all the premisses: it is therefore too intelligent to be archaeologically minded.
The Teutonic brain, on the contrary, is content to inspect all its hurdles before jumping them. It is willing to collect evidence even though it never draws any conclusions. And the mere collection of evidence was the first and greatest necessity before archaeology could become useful and effective. Winckelmann was a splendid instance of the unhurried Teutonic temperament brought into prolonged contact with the versatile and volatile humanistic traditions of Italy."
"That is one reason why it has taken so long to breed archaeologists among the Latin races of Europe to-day."
--Rhys Carpenter, Humanistic Value of Archaeology, Vol. 4, p. 3-4.

Anyone else think this is the truth?
And maybe see this as an explanation for the differences between the "Latin races of Europe to-day" and the Teutonic Germans?
What he means by intelligence: "It is difficult for a person of quick wit and lively intellect to become a good archaeologist."
That's from 1933.

People did not hide their racist views as much back then.
 
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There's a picture of the Auschwitz swimming pool in one of those Red Cross magazines.
This is too Holocaust denially for me.......see ya.
 
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