Do you think we will have hobbies in heaven?

[timothyu]

What we will also have in heaven is a body.

An upgrade for a different universe

 

[Jamdoc]

Unless it brings GLORY to GOD ALMIGHTY,
Probably not.

living a life without sin by itself brings glory to God.
animals glorify God just by living, because they are His creation and they live according to the way He created them to live, and attest to His creating them.
Stars glorify God just by existing. They just fuse hydrogen day in and day out... still glorifies God, and in fact they proclaim His glory according to the scripture.

when Adam and Eve were created, they were not commanded to sing and praise. They were put to task in dressing and keeping the garden, and given a single negative command. Anything else they could have thought of doing.. would have been in accordance with God's will, and glorified Him.

Now they totally blew that of course, but the idea holds.. that God gave them liberty aside from 1 negative command. Liberty can include hobbies. Even animals enjoy playing, even as adults. Some animals will play with objects like toys. You think God didn't intend that?
Who do you think devised the concept of play?

 

[Freth]

I don't think we can apply our worldly view to what our heavenly life will be. As has already been pointed out, (1 Corinthians 2:9) we can't conceive of what God has waiting for us, which has to be so fantastical that we will never be bored, ever. As Isaiah says, we will take joy in growing food and eating it. Doing things with our hands, like building our own houses. Not labor intensive like we know in this sinful world, but joyous activity. Interacting with God's creation and nurturing it. Imagine building your own house without having to hammer nails, saw logs or hew stone. Imagine things so advanced to our own understanding that we can't bring them to mind in our wildest dreams.

The modern conveniences and toys we have are worldly toys. I like motorcycles like the next guy, but I highly doubt we'll be snapping photographs and riding motorcycles in heaven, as we will be one with God and have photographic memories and be able to travel great distances with ease.

 

[Jipsah]

I currently lack of scripture, however, I suppose we will, as long as they aren't sinful.

I think ham radio would be kind of pointless.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I currently lack of scripture, however, I suppose we will, as long as they aren't sinful.

Hobbies? In Heaven? Or even in the future New Earth and Heaven? Do you honestly think we will have "hobbies" as we have on Earth?

Rev 21:4-5
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There will be no "hobby" in heaven. We will be forever with the Lord and praise him and enjoy endless things that everything Lord has will be ours. There will be no preferred things over others for use to do. We need to stop thinking of earthly things in heaven.

 

[timothyu]

Surrounded by the easily offended and their idea of utopia would be more like doing a tour in hell.

 

[Jamdoc]

Hobbies? In Heaven? Or even in the future New Earth and Heaven? Do you honestly think we will have "hobbies" as we have on Earth?

Rev 21:4-5
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There will be no "hobby" in heaven. We will be forever with the Lord and praise him and enjoy endless things that everything Lord has will be ours. There will be no preferred things over others for use to do. We need to stop thinking of earthly things in heaven.

Isaiah 65 describes very earthly activities on the new earth, and you can't even claim that's a "millennial kingdom" passage since you're an amillennialist.

Of course you'll abstract the passage into a bunch of religious drivel. Amillennialists always have the most RELIGIOUS concepts of everything where Jesus railed against religion.

 

[LW97Nils]

Hobbies? In Heaven? Or even in the future New Earth and Heaven? Do you honestly think we will have "hobbies" as we have on Earth?

Rev 21:4-5
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There will be no "hobby" in heaven. We will be forever with the Lord and praise him and enjoy endless things that everything Lord has will be ours. There will be no preferred things over others for use to do. We need to stop thinking of earthly things in heaven.

Doubt that what are you saying is what we are saying. Food as an example will still be present.

 

[LW97Nils]

The modern conveniences and toys we have are worldly toys. I like motorcycles like the next guy, but I highly doubt we'll be snapping photographs and riding motorcycles in heaven, as we will be one with God and have photographic memories and be able to travel great distances with ease.

Good point, but as Isaiah 65 says, we shall eat still even though we won't have to

 

[LW97Nils]

living a life without sin by itself brings glory to God.
animals glorify God just by living, because they are His creation and they live according to the way He created them to live, and attest to His creating them.
Stars glorify God just by existing. They just fuse hydrogen day in and day out... still glorifies God, and in fact they proclaim His glory according to the scripture.

when Adam and Eve were created, they were not commanded to sing and praise. They were put to task in dressing and keeping the garden, and given a single negative command. Anything else they could have thought of doing.. would have been in accordance with God's will, and glorified Him.

Now they totally blew that of course, but the idea holds.. that God gave them liberty aside from 1 negative command. Liberty can include hobbies. Even animals enjoy playing, even as adults. Some animals will play with objects like toys. You think God didn't intend that?
Who do you think devised the concept of play?

Good point brother.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Isaiah 65 describes very earthly activities on the new earth, and you can't even claim that's a "millennial kingdom" passage since you're an amillennialist.

So based on a flawed literal interpretation, you believe that the "earthly activities" will continue into your vision of 1,000 years millennial kingdom on Earth so we will have our "hobbies"? I am sorry but Isaiah 65 does not say anything like that!

I suggest that you need to study Mark 16 and consider the other verses present too...

Isaiah 11:8

• "And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den."

This harmonizes with Mark chapter 16, declaring the child of God can pick up serpents and cannot be hurt by them. The asp and cockatrice are serpents (vipers or snakes). The same symbolic principle is in view. Those baptized in the Spirit cannot be hurt by the serpent. For example, they can play in the serpent's den. Nor the lamb be hurt by the wolf (even if he is in sheep's clothing). It's all the exact same principle of the "seal" or security placed upon the Child of God by faith in Christ. This has nothing to do with a child literally playing with snakes in your so-called future God's Millennial kingdom on Earth.

..something to think about.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Doubt that what are you saying is what we are saying. Food as an example will still be present.

Oh? Scripture please to see if you know what you are talking about.

 

[DavidPT]

I suggest that you need to study Mark 16 and consider the other verses present too...

Isaiah 11:8

• "And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den."

This harmonizes with Mark chapter 16, declaring the child of God can pick up serpents and cannot be hurt by them. The asp and cockatrice are serpents (vipers or snakes). The same symbolic principle is in view. Those baptized in the Spirit cannot be hurt by the serpent. For example, they can play in the serpent's den. Nor the lamb be hurt by the wolf (even if he is in sheep's clothing). It's all the exact same principle of the "seal" or security placed upon the Child of God by faith in Christ. This has nothing to do with a child literally playing with snakes in your so-called future God's Millennial kingdom on Earth.

..something to think about.

That's an interesting alleged connection. But what about this in Isaiah 11, though?

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.


If we compare to Isaiah 65.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.


This indicates that the two animals, the wolf and the lamb, they are living in perfect harmony at the time. Let's suppose this is not meaning in a literal sense where it is involving literal animals, but that it is meaning in a spiritual sense involving this present age. In light of the following though, it debunks that possibility.

Matthew 10:16 ¶Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Obviously, in this present age, not only do literal wolves and literal lambs not get along, thus are not living in peace with one another, neither do spiritual wolves and spiritual sheep live in peace with one another. Therefore, it is not interpreting things in a consistent manner to apply Isaiah 11:8 in the manner that you are when this same manner obviously can't be applied to Isaiah 11:6 as well, for some of the reasons I showed.

 

[LW97Nils]

Oh? Scripture please to see if you know what you are talking about.

And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. Isaiah 65:21

 

[TribulationSigns]

That's an interesting alleged connection. But what about this in Isaiah 11, though?

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

I just posted a response recently that may answer your question.

 

[TribulationSigns]

And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. Isaiah 65:21

Luke 4:17-21

• "And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
• The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
• To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
• And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
• And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

Fulfilled not as they imagined but fulfilled as was always intended by God. Christ preached no physical deliverance to the physical captives, He freed no physical captivity from the Roman rulers, and He set no prisoners free physically. John the Baptist sat in prison and Christ made no effort to set him free. Why? Because the prophecy that He said was fulfilled was not addressing physical highways, prison houses, captivity, physical restoration of Israel, nor the physical establishment of an earthly kingdom. Christ was indulging in this very same Spiritualizing that "many" are so offended by and claim I must stop "spiritualizing." I say, God forbid. In point of fact, the people of national Israel are still in that prison today, still held captive today, still having not drunk the wine of that vineyard today that produced the fruit that Scripture spoke of. Because Christ was Spiritualizing and they were literalizing, just like you! They rejected the stone of the rebuilding of the Holy Temple because they were looking to the building again of a Physical Temple. They were futilely looking to the restoration of some physical Kingdom, of bricks and growing physical Vineyards, blah, blah, blah...

Listen carefully to what Luke wrote:

Luke 20:16-17

• "He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
• And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?"

While Dispensationalism is waiting for a carnal return of the captivity, of physically restoring and rebuilt cities, God has an infinitely greater thing in mind than plots of earth, grapes, or stones in a man-constructed Temple in the Middle East! Unfortunately, instead of spiritualizing the literal or physical as Christ did, you seem to joy in literalizing the spiritual. The Vinyard that was taken from them and given to another is, get this... the representation of the kingdom of God, which is now given to the church where God's people can work to reap their FRUITS. Do you even know what the fruits we labor for in God's kingdom, don't you?

Now, I reiterate, I'm more interested in what "THE BIBLE" says about doctrines like Dispensationalism. So then, what does that quote mean? That Dispensationalists hold to a literal interpretation except when they personally/privately decide it can't be a literal interpretation? In reality, that puts the onus, responsibility and burden on themselves as the decision maker of how to and when to interpret, rather than God. I for one would never want to be put in that position. When it comes to God's word, better to let God's (inerrant) word interpret itself.

Exhibit A:

Ams 9:11-15

• "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
• That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
• Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
• And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
• And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

This all may appear to be a very "literal" prophesy, but a scholarly study of Scripture would reveal God's Word declares this all fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Christ, which your sect rejects as fulfilled because it contradicts their personal/private interpretations of "bringing back the captivity" of the people of Israel, thinking God was talking about bringing the ethnic Jews back to national Israel in the Middle East. Nevertheless, God's word is clear on the matter of WHO God was actually talking about that he will bring back from SPIRITUAL captivity - those who are in spiritual prison being freed by Christ and brought to HIs Kingdom where they can work (plant) vineyards and produces FRUITS.

Listen carefully, if you have spiritual ears to hear:

Acts 15:12-17

• "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
• And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
• Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
• And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
• After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
• That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

Well, well, well...Dispensationalism notwithstanding, God's Word says this pertained to the New Covenant church, filled with the Gentiles! And it has been FULFILLED since the Cross as long as God is bringing His people into His Kingdom! Yet these truths are heavily redacted in the writings of Dispensationalism because it doesn't fit their Dispensationalist mantra of a "literal earthly" restoration, rebuilding, freeing of captivity, rebuilding of the tabernacle, or the Jews returning to land in the Middle East called "1948 Israel". Sigh... that is to say, Jews under their personal definition of Jews, not God's.

Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

And let me ask you one more time...@LW97Nils...

What FRUITS will we "eat" for working in God's vineyard? Consider wisely:

Ams 9:11-15

• "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
• That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
• Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
• And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
• And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

Compare with this...

Mat 21:42-43
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The kingdom representation was taken from the Old Testament congregation (Jews) because of their rejection of the Messiah and gave it to the New Testament church (as a holy nation) where she can bring forth FRUITS! What fruits? Gentiles and Jewish converts by hearing the preaching of the Gospel in the Kingdom of God! Selah! The vineyard is the church. The wine is the Gospel. The gardens where we turn our swords into plowshares to plant in the Kingdom of God where we can produce fruits (saving people from the world to the Kingdom of God!) That is what is being pictured here! Not about physically working on the land so we can physically eat fruits in the future!

Spiritual Discerned.

 

[Jamdoc]

That's an interesting alleged connection. But what about this in Isaiah 11, though?

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.


If we compare to Isaiah 65.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.


This indicates that the two animals, the wolf and the lamb, they are living in perfect harmony at the time. Let's suppose this is not meaning in a literal sense where it is involving literal animals, but that it is meaning in a spiritual sense involving this present age. In light of the following though, it debunks that possibility.

Matthew 10:16 ¶Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Obviously, in this present age, not only do literal wolves and literal lambs not get along, thus are not living in peace with one another, neither do spiritual wolves and spiritual sheep live in peace with one another. Therefore, it is not interpreting things in a consistent manner to apply Isaiah 11:8 in the manner that you are when this same manner obviously can't be applied to Isaiah 11:6 as well, for some of the reasons I showed.

Ammillennialists allegorize all of that to make it just be something internal within the church, and basically just turn everything into religion.
All the promises of God = Christianity will be the dominant religion of the world is their interpretation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ammillennialists allegorize all of that to make it just be something internal within the church, and basically just turn everything into religion.
All the promises of God = Christianity will be the dominant religion of the world is their interpretation.

I can see why the word, "spiritualizing" or "allegory" is like a plague to you.

In other words, just as dark clouds are a sign of approaching rain, so God's signs were tokens of something coming. For example, the sign of Jonas the prophet being three days in a fish was an indicator of Christ's coming. The important thing was Christ, Jonas was just a sign, a harbinger of Christ's coming. God "spiritualizing" Jonas is not a bad thing as one obviously surmises, it's the way God has done things all throughout the Bible, from sacrificing lambs on the altar to the Jews crossing over into the land of Israel being a "sign" of the true promised land. These spiritual things are not revealed by looking for physical/literal signs to continue, but by the Holy Spirit God. And God need to make no apology for spiritualizing a Branch, Sheep, Tree, Wolf, Lamb, Wine, Water, Candlesticks, Bread, Woman, Locusts, Oil, Seeds, Dragon, Chain, Swine, Muzzle, Vineyard, and nearly every other thing you can think of. Even the body is sown a natural body and is raised a spiritual body (1st Corinthians 15:44). No one needs to apologize for preaching the spiritual nature of the gospel message. Like you, the natural man rejects this (1st Co 2:13-14), because it is the consoler's job to reveal these truths to men, not I.

Joh 14:16-18
(16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

That's a faithful promise of Christ concerning the consoler. But the natural man will NOT receive the things of the spiritual because it is not in his nature to do so.

1Co 2:12-14
(12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Enough said.

 

[Jamdoc]

I can see why the word, "spiritualizing" or "allegory" is like a plague to you.

In other words, just as dark clouds are a sign of approaching rain, so God's signs were tokens of something coming. For example, the sign of Jonas the prophet being three days in a fish was an indicator of Christ's coming. The important thing was Christ, Jonas was just a sign, a harbinger of Christ's coming. God "spiritualizing" Jonas is not a bad thing as one obviously surmises, it's the way God has done things all throughout the Bible, from sacrificing lambs on the altar to the Jews crossing over into the land of Israel being a "sign" of the true promised land. These spiritual things are not revealed by looking for physical/literal signs to continue, but by the Holy Spirit God. And God need to make no apology for spiritualizing a Branch, Sheep, Tree, Wolf, Lamb, Wine, Water, Candlesticks, Bread, Woman, Locusts, Oil, Seeds, Dragon, Chain, Swine, Muzzle, Vineyard, and nearly every other thing you can think of. Even the body is sown a natural body and is raised a spiritual body (1st Corinthians 15:44). No one needs to apologize for preaching the spiritual nature of the gospel message. Like you, the natural man rejects this (1st Co 2:13-14), because it is the consoler's job to reveal these truths to men, not I.

Joh 14:16-18
(16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

That's a faithful promise of Christ concerning the consoler. But the natural man will NOT receive the things of the spiritual because it is not in his nature to do so.

1Co 2:12-14
(12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Enough said.

if something is explained as a symbol then it's a symbol.
if something is not explained as a symbol it can be literal.
betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
entering Jerusalem on a donkey
etc, etc.

The problem is, when something is NOT explained as a symbol, you immediately jump to the conclusion it's a symbol, and even when something is explained as a symbol, many Amillennialists reject an angel's explanation of a symbol, and create their own interpretation of what the symbol means.

Babylon the Great in Revelation 17. The Angel explains the beast, the heads, the horns, the harlot, the waters, all those symbols, and concludes

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

But that's not good for ammillennialists, they will say the angel is wrong and that the woman represents something else, usually something internal within the Church.