Do you think we will have hobbies in heaven?

[biblelesson]

I'm not entirely following you here. How then does God devour someone with fire if they are in bodies that can't die? Or are you meaning they are not in bodies that cannot die until they are devoured first, then they are in bodies that cannot die when they are raised back to life?

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them

Starting with Revelation 20:9. These people are Gog and Magog (long time enemies of God), Revelation 20:7-8, and many nations with them Ezekiel 38:5-6, that God destroys with fire because they will be trying to fight with the saints (who are flesh and blood at this point) that will be living in safety in Jerusalem during the millennium. After Satan is loosed he influenced the nations to go up against Israel who are in Jerusalem, but God fights for them and destroys Gog and Magog, Ezekiel 38:2, Ezekiel 38:8-12, Ezekiel 38:16, Ezekiel 38:22-23. This fire is not the lake of fire and and everyone is flesh and blood at this point.

Gog and Magog includes those nations that are outside of Israel during the millennium who God allowed to worship their own gods, Micah 4:1-5.

To devour with fire:

Satan will be devoured with fire and he’s not flesh and blood, and Revelation 20:10 says Satan is throne into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night. So, the beast and false prophet were flesh and blood, but when they were thrown into the lake of fire God changed their body to a body that cannot die to be tortured by fire forever. Devour in the way it’s being used really means torture. Matthew 13:50 shows the torment. The changed body the unbeliever will have will be tormented by a fire that is never quenched, it never stops, and where the worms never die, Mark 9:43-48.

How a body of flesh is changed to a spiritual body - believers and unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 15:35-36, “
But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37, “And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain..”

1 Corinthians 15:38, “But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.”

1 Corinthians 15:42, “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:”

1 Corinthians 15:53, “For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

I would read all of 1 Corinthians 15:34-58.

 

[timothyu]

Gog and Magog includes those nations that are outside of Israel during the millennium who God allowed to worship their own gods, Micah 4:1-5.

You might enjoy this link about the influences on those nations and the real fight God is waging

'Rebellion in God’s council. Spirits of dead giants. Rival gods creating chaos'

 

[timothyu]

Do you think we will have hobbies in heaven?

Perhaps sitting on forums with nothing to discuss

 

[Timtofly]

According to Verse 17, it is NOT about the Millenium, but the time after it

No it is not.

After Jesus cleans up this earth with fire, He sets all things new for the Millennium.

Why would Jesus reign on an earth that is so desolate that no one can even live on earth and make people live in "bubbles" for 1,000 years?

Isaiah 65 is not a new creation like Revelation 21. Isaiah 65 is the earth restored after earth is trashed at the Second Coming, and Satan's 42 months of AoD. Do you not think that 2 Peter 3 shows a complete and utter destruction of earth at the Second Coming? Jesus is not going to leave the earth a mess the whole 1,000 years. It will be brand new at the beginning with a totally different lifestyle for 1,000 years. No sin and everlasting righteousness for 1,000 years. That is why it is a new heaven and earth, and current life will not be remembered at all.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm not entirely following you here. How then does God devour someone with fire if they are in bodies that can't die? Or are you meaning they are not in bodies that cannot die until they are devoured first, then they are in bodies that cannot die when they are raised back to life?

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them

Adam and Eve had bodies that could not die. The moment Adam disobeyed God, they lost those bodies and were given physical bodies of death.

God can give. God can take away. That is Job 101. God can consume a body that cannot die with fire. That would be the result of following Satan, ie Death.

A body that cannot die is not immune to God's will and purpose. It just means that that body will not die of natural causes nor even by the law of nature. God's will overrides God's creation always. That is what we call miracles and the impossible. God can do whatever God wills. God is not limited by His own creation.

 

[LW97Nils]

No it is not.

After Jesus cleans up this earth with fire, He sets all things new for the Millennium.

Why would Jesus reign on an earth that is so desolate that no one can even live on earth and make people live in "bubbles" for 1,000 years?

Well, like it or not, the earth is not burned away until Revelation 21:1. The fire described in 2 Peter 3:10 does not fall until Revelation 20:9. In Revelation 20:11-12 we read of the Universe literally exploding. So we can suggest that this world will be rebuilt in the Millenium.

 

[biblelesson]

This online article is very interesting - it describes what the saints and those still alive will be doing during the 1000 year millennium. The writer has other lessons that can be accessed by hyperlinks he has embedded in the article.

What will people be like during the Millennium, and what will the millennial Kingdom of God be like?

 

[Timtofly]

Well, like it or not, the earth is not burned away until Revelation 21:1. The fire described in 2 Peter 3:10 does not fall until Revelation 20:9. In Revelation 20:11-12 we read of the Universe literally exploding. So we can suggest that this world will be rebuilt in the Millenium.

There is no Millennium after Revelation 20:9. Revelation 21 is not about the Millennium at all.

Creation is not burned up after the Millennium. Jesus hands back a perfect and complete creation, not a burnt offering. Heaven and earth do not explode. Creation returns to God just as fast as it originally started from God.

The fire only consumes those people who followed Satan, not creation itself.

 

[Douggg]

I don't even understand why asking such a question.

God by immeasurable love and grace, is giving us eternal life, incorruptible, immortal bodies... and we have a thread asking about hobbies in heaven ! God is providing a way to escape going through the great tribulation. That's what we should be putting our total focus on.

Get things into perspective ! Don't bring up petty questions.

 

[LW97Nils]

There is no Millennium after Revelation 20:9. Revelation 21 is not about the Millennium at all.

Didn't say there was

There is no Millennium after Revelation 20:9. Revelation 21 is not about the Millennium at all.

Creation is not burned up after the Millennium. Jesus hands back a perfect and complete creation, not a burnt offering. Heaven and earth do not explode. Creation returns to God just as fast as it originally started from God.

Certainly, this interpretation could work also

 

[biblelesson]

I don't even understand why asking such a question.

God by immeasurable love and grace, is giving us eternal life, incorruptible, immortal bodies... and we have a thread asking about hobbies in heaven ! God is providing a way to escape going through the great tribulation. That's what we should be putting our total focus on.

Get things into perspective ! Don't bring up petty questions.

You are referring to warnings in the Bible that address this very issue:

King James Version
1 Timothy 1:5-6
1 Timothy 1:7
2 Timothy 2:16
2 Timothy 2:23
Titus 3:9

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[RandyPNW]

I have so many questions to what we will be doing exactly.
But sure hope hobbies will be included

I can't think that things will be all that different from the way they are now, except that the redemptive program will be complete, and there will be no sin. Clearly, we will have purpose, mission, and a great sense of fulfillment in what we were created to do to express God's love and creativity.

 

[look4hope]

I don't even understand why asking such a question.

God by immeasurable love and grace, is giving us eternal life, incorruptible, immortal bodies... and we have a thread asking about hobbies in heaven ! God is providing a way to escape going through the great tribulation. That's what we should be putting our total focus on.

Get things into perspective ! Don't bring up petty questions.

We are ALL imperfect creatures. We ask such questions because we seek answers. We advice, we share information, and yes...you have the right to share your point of view, opinion or your feelings. However, sounding like you believe this question is stupid, makes me wonder why even reply to a question you think is unnecessary. No one human being is above another.

Blessings,
L4H

 

[parousia70]

Adam and Eve had bodies that could not die.

Then why was the tree of life in the garden and why were they told by God they could freely eat from it before the fall? (Genesis 2:16-17)

Would you have us believe the tree of life was useless and had no purpose or life giving properties before the fall, and it was only after the fall that the tree of life was bestowed with such power?

 

[timothyu]

Did not the two trees simply show the two directions we could take.. preferring our own wisdom or preferring the wisdom of God? One led to problems, the other would not. We chose to create our own blessings and unfortunately that usually means gain at someone's loss. It works for us and against us. Not a very wise choice. But until we learn to repent of our arrogance, we are stuck with ourselves.

 

[Timtofly]

Then why was the tree of life in the garden and why were they told by God they could freely eat from it before the fall? (Genesis 2:16-17)

Would you have us believe the tree of life was useless and had no purpose or life giving properties before the fall, and it was only after the fall that the tree of life was bestowed with such power?

So you don't accept permanent bodies ever? What is everlasting life? Only everlasting as long as there is a tree of life?

The tree of life is the physical representation of God's everlasting life.

"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Are people going to keep dying forever in the NHNE?

They physically died when Adam disobeyed God. If you reject that point, then you don't understand what a permanent incorruptible physical body even is. Do you need food to keep your body going? Are we going to starve to death in the NHNE? The tree of life is food, no?

 

[timothyu]

Just hope there is music with a good melody...

 

[RandyPNW]

Have you noticed the repetitious nature of life on this earth? You would think boredom would be the rule. But it isn't!

As often as we see a painter paint a face, we never grow tired of it. As often as we enjoy a baseball game, we never grow tired of it. Can you imagine a world in which we can do things perfectly well and never get tired of doing them again and again?

Well, I think "heaven" will take us one step beyond that to include in our creativity experiences with God that never grow tiring, just as a man never gets tired of his wife, or a woman never gets tired of her husband.

But I think God saves us from too much speculation, though He doesn't discourage it, because too much knowledge can be destructive. Can you imagine seeing how wonderful "heaven" will really be, and then have to come back down to earth and experience the drudgery of a 9 to 5 job?

Every account I've heard of someone going to heaven prematurely has the person *not* wanting to come back to this life! Maybe the best understanding of the future is saved for the future?

 

[Jamdoc]

Have you noticed the repetitious nature of life on this earth? You would think boredom would be the rule. But it isn't!

As often as we see a painter paint a face, we never grow tired of it. As often as we enjoy a baseball game, we never grow tired of it. Can you imagine a world in which we can do things perfectly well and never get tired of doing them again and again?

Well, I think "heaven" will take us one step beyond that to include in our creativity experiences with God that never grow tiring, just as a man never gets tired of his wife, or a woman never gets tired of her husband.

But I think God saves us from too much speculation, though He doesn't discourage it, because too much knowledge can be destructive. Can you imagine seeing how wonderful "heaven" will really be, and then have to come back down to earth and experience the drudgery of a 9 to 5 job?

Every account I've heard of someone going to heaven prematurely has the person *not* wanting to come back to this life! Maybe the best understanding of the future is saved for the future?

I get tired of all those things.