My Dental Challenge

[AV1611VET]

the ways is a big difference, and man was created from dirt.

What flaw are you alluding to?

You mentioned a chipped tooth, but then retracted.

Are you suggesting Adam was created with a character flaw?

If so, let me remind you that Lucifer was created perfect, yet his "character flaw" was much worse.

 

[BeyondET]

What flaw are you alluding to?

You mentioned a chipped tooth, but then retracted.

Are you suggesting Adam was created with a character flaw?

If so, let me remind you that Lucifer was created perfect, yet his "character flaw" was much worse.

Ahh so admit he had a character flaw much worse than Adam huh.

I didn’t retract anything I told you chip tooth isn't in scripture

 

[Diamond72]

But I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to know Adam was perfect

God is doing a work to restore and perfect us.

man was created from dirt.

The elements in the dirt were created in the furnace of a star.
In Revelation 6 we read about how the stars fell to the earth.

 

[Diamond72]

Because it is the best explanation for creatio ex nihilo.

I always thought a little bit of something was better than a whole lot of nothing. But from your perspective the less you have, the more you end up with.

"kenosis" Christ had to empty Himself to become fully human.

 

[AV1611VET]

God is doing a work to restore and perfect us.

God's work on Adam was instant.

Adam was made perfect: without spot and without blemish.

Ditto for Eve.

 

[Kylie]

That would be Omphalos.

God made Adam & Eve perfect.

Without blemish and without spot.

Perfectly obedient?

 

[AV1611VET]

Perfectly obedient?

Time would tell, wouldn't it?

 

[BeyondET]

God is doing a work to restore and perfect us.

The elements in the dirt were created in the furnace of a star.
In Revelation 6 we read about how the stars fell to the earth.

And some decayed vegetation.

 

[Kylie]

Time would tell, wouldn't it?

So that';s a no then. They weren't created perfect, because they weren't perfectly obedient.

It would seem your claim from post 145 is incorrect.

 

[AV1611VET]

So that';s a no then. They weren't created perfect, because they weren't perfectly obedient.

According to the Bible, was Lucifer created perfect?

 

[Neutral Observer]

So that';s a no then. They weren't created perfect, because they weren't perfectly obedient.

Wait a minute, that's a heck of a Catch-22.

If Adam and Eve were created perfect, yet they were disobedient, then God must have intended for them to be disobedient... but if God intended for them to be disobedient, then they weren't being disobedient, because they were doing exactly what God intended.

 

[Diamond72]

then God must have intended for them to be disobedient

A lot of people believe that. Some of the Hasidic, Calvin, Joseph Smith. For me, why would God want them to do what He told them NOT to do? There is no other example of that in the Bible where He wants us to disobey Him. Does He not mean what He says, and say what He means?

 

[Diamond72]

According to the Bible, was Lucifer created perfect?

Are you suggesting that the gardian cherub was Lucifer? The "guardian cherub" mentioned in the Bible is not specifically identified as Lucifer or Satan, and the identity of this figure is a matter of interpretation and debate.

15 From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways—until wickedness was found in you. 16 By the vastness of your trade, you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mountain of God, and I banished you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting that the gardian cherub was Lucifer?

Yes.

The "guardian cherub" mentioned in the Bible is not specifically identified as Lucifer or Satan, and the identity of this figure is a matter of interpretation and debate.

For the sake of arguing, it doesn't matter what his name is.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Does the Bible say he was perfect?

If so, so was Adam, who was created perfect: without spot, without wrinkle, and without blemish.

 

[Diamond72]

For the sake of arguing, it doesn't matter what his name is.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Does the Bible say he was perfect?

If so, so was Adam, who was created perfect: without spot, without wrinkle, and without blemish.

The Bride will be without spot, blemish or wrinkle. Because she is washed and cleansed in the precious Blood of Jesus. We read in Genesis 1:31 "And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning— the sixth day." We see that all God made was very good.

Perfect actually means to be whole, complete, mature and bearing fruit. The branches that do not bear fruit are cut off and thrown into the fire.

 

[Neutral Observer]

A lot of people believe that. Some of the Hasidic, Calvin, Joseph Smith. For me, why would God want them to do what He told them NOT to do? There is no other example of that in the Bible where He wants us to disobey Him. Does He not mean what He says, and say what He means?

Why does a parent tell a young child never to cross the street unaccompanied, while at the same time fully expecting the child to someday do just that?

Was it God's intent to keep us ignorant, never having the knowledge of good and evil? Is that why He commanded Adam not to eat of the tree, because He wanted us to be perpetual children. Or was it simply because He knew what would happen when Adam ate of the tree... that his eyes would be opened, and that he would gain the knowledge of good and evil. And with it the knowledge of despair, and regret, and sorrow, and suffering, and heartbreak, and hopelessness, and greed, and envy. What parent could heartlessly inflict these things on their own children, without at least warning them of what they were about to choose?

You ask "why would God want them to do what He told them NOT to do". He'd do it for the same reason that any parent would do it, because He doesn't want to see His children suffer. But He also doesn't want them to remain children, and that's why the tree is there in the first place. Because He never intended for us to remain ignorant of good and evil. Rather He wanted us to be what He created us to be, even though he knew the pain that that would inevitably entail.

And so He commanded Adam not to eat of the tree, just as a parent would command a child not to cross the street. But as we're well aware these things must pass, because children grow up, and innocence fades. And what were given as commands we come to recognize as warnings, not about what we must never do, but rather to prepare us for what we must inevitably do.

Yes, what God commands may at times seem to conflict with what He wills. But the two things aren't the same. The former are there only in as much as, and until, they serve to fulfill the latter.

 

[Diamond72]

God's work on Adam was instant.

Yep, you do not believe in time. Then you have the people that do not believe in floods. This place is more fun than the barrel full of monkeys they say we evolved from. The only thing that seems to be real is the tin foil people put in their hats to protect them from the aliens that keep talking to them.

There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that such hats are effective in blocking communication from extraterrestrial beings. However, it is important to respect people's beliefs and opinions, even if they differ from our own.

 

[Diamond72]

Was it God's intent to keep us ignorant, never having the knowledge of good and evil? Is that why He commanded Adam not to eat of the tree, because He wanted us to be perpetual children

The question of God's intent regarding the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the biblical story of Adam and Eve is a matter of interpretation and debate among different religious traditions and scholars.

 

[Diamond72]

Yes, what God commands may at times seem to conflict with what He wills. But the two things aren't the same.

Both paradoxes and contradictions involve situations in which there appears to be a conflict or inconsistency between different statements or ideas. However, there is a key difference between the two.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yep, you do not believe in time.

Actually, my fingers are hoarse from explaining to intelligent, college-educated academians how you can have a 24-hour period without a sun.

Just one rotation of the earth on its axis.

And while people are smart enough to program a scientific calculator, it's a shame they can't turn a globe on their desk 360° without going 404.