Guam kingfisher

[Diamond72]

It is believed that the Guam kingfisher evolved from a related species that was present on other islands in the region and colonized Guam at some point in the past. Once on Guam, the kingfisher population became isolated and evolved unique adaptations to the local environment, such as differences in coloration, beak shape, and behavior. Over time, these differences became significant enough to be considered a separate species, the Guam kingfisher.

So how did the Kingfisher get to Guam? When you consider they are unique to Guam and not found anywhere else in the world.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You answered it yourself in your first paragraph.

 

[Frank Robert]

So how did the Kingfisher get to Guam?

The Kingfisher didn't get to Guam it evolved on Guam from a related species.

 

[Diamond72]

The Kingfisher didn't get to Guam it evolved on Guam from a related species.

How did the related species get to Guam from Noah's ark? Did it just fly there. If that is the case how did the kangaroo get to Australia? Did they swim there or did Noah drop them off there? It is ok to say they evolved, but they had to have evolved from something.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How did the related species get to Guam from Noah's ark? Did it just fly there. If that is the case how did the kangaroo get to Australia? Did they swim there or did Noah drop them off there? It is ok to say they evolved, but they had to have evolved from something.

Well, we can rule Noah's Ark out as a fact since there exists no genetic evidence in any animal species that they only came from on single breeding pair at all.

 

[dlamberth]

It is believed that the Guam kingfisher evolved from a related species that was present on other islands in the region and colonized Guam at some point in the past. Once on Guam, the kingfisher population became isolated and evolved unique adaptations to the local environment, such as differences in coloration, beak shape, and behavior. Over time, these differences became significant enough to be considered a separate species, the Guam kingfisher.

So how did the Kingfisher get to Guam? When you consider they are unique to Guam and not found anywhere else in the world.
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2 factors could be at play here. The first is that there are islands between Guam and the main lands that earlier generation birds could have migrated from. The second is wind. Birds can stay aloft for long periods and fly long distances when the wind catches them.

 

[Diamond72]

2 factors could be at play here. The first is that there are islands between Guam and the main lands that earlier generation birds could have migrated from. The second is wind. Birds can stay aloft for long periods and fly long distances when the wind catches them.

I am sure the wind carries them along. We have thousands of Monarch Butterllys that come from thousands of miles south of here. The wind blows them up here every summer. We had sunflowers so we had a bunch of them here one year.

 

[AV1611VET]

How did the related species get to Guam from Noah's ark? Did it just fly there. If that is the case how did the kangaroo get to Australia? Did they swim there or did Noah drop them off there? It is ok to say they evolved, but they had to have evolved from something.

If the Todiramphus cinnamominus was on the Ark, then we can surmise two things:

First, there was no Guam, per se, until after Peleg's time. The earth was one giant supercontinent at the time, and Guam was part of the "dry land" that appeared on the Third Day.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Second, even if Guam-Pangaea was beyond the kingfisher's capacity to get to it from the Ark, then God probably helped them get there.

How?

We don't know, but we can take a hint as to how from Acts 8, where we see God transporting Philip a distance of some thirty miles in an instant of time.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

This "skylifting" would also apply to the kangaroo, pandas, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, we can rule Noah's Ark out as a fact since there exists no genetic evidence in any animal species that they only came from on single breeding pair at all.

No genetic evidence exists?

Or no genetic evidence yet found?

There's a big difference between software and hardware.

Should they find this genetic hardware, then the genetic software will have to be adjusted accordingly.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No genetic evidence exists?

Or no genetic evidence yet found?

There's a big difference between software and hardware.

Should they find this genetic hardware, then the genetic software will have to be adjusted accordingly.

No genetic evidence exists.

 

[AV1611VET]

No genetic evidence exists.

... on paper.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

... on paper.

And in reality.

 

[Diamond72]

Well, we can rule Noah's Ark out as a fact since there exists no genetic evidence in any animal species that they only came from on single breeding pair at all.

The Bible does not say anything about a "single breeding pair". Only Adam and Eve were a single breeding pair. Also, we are not talking about wild animals, we are talking about domesticated animals. This all takes place after the neolithic revolution. Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name."

Definition "The Neolithic Revolution was a major turning point in human history that marked the transition from a nomadic, hunter-gatherer lifestyle to settled agriculture and the development of early civilizations. This revolution took place between 10,000 and 4,000 years ago and was characterized by the domestication of plants and animals, which allowed for the growth of permanent settlements and the development of complex social, political, and economic systems. The Neolithic Revolution had far-reaching impacts on human societies, including increased food security, population growth, and the advancement of technology and science."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Bible does not say anything about a "single breeding pair". Only Adam and Eve were a single breeding pair. Also, we are not talking about wild animals, we are talking about domesticated animals. This all takes place after the neolithic revolution. Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name."

Definition "The Neolithic Revolution was a major turning point in human history that marked the transition from a nomadic, hunter-gatherer lifestyle to settled agriculture and the development of early civilizations. This revolution took place between 10,000 and 4,000 years ago and was characterized by the domestication of plants and animals, which allowed for the growth of permanent settlements and the development of complex social, political, and economic systems. The Neolithic Revolution had far-reaching impacts on human societies, including increased food security, population growth, and the advancement of technology and science."

Again, you're typing out so much without saying anything.

We're not talking about domesticated animals, we're talking about bloody kingfishers, a wild species of bird. Pay attention to your own thread.

 

[Frank Robert]

How did the related species get to Guam from Noah's ark?

The distance from from Mount Ararat where Noah's ark landed to Guam is roughly 10,000 KM so it should be obvious that it took many years for the Noah birds that were Kingfisher's ancestors with multiple specializations in multiple places before a descended related species arrived on Guam to evolve into today's Kingfisers.

As an aside. The Kingfisher which nearly went extinct have recently been reintroduced into the wild from into the wild from zoos.

 

[Diamond72]

No genetic evidence exists?

I think you broke my bot. Smoke started coming out of its ears when I asked it where DNA comes from.

 

[Diamond72]

Again, you're typing out so much without saying anything.

Is this easier for you to understand?

The Neolithic Revolution was a big change in the way people lived a long, long time ago. Before this revolution, people were hunters and gatherers, which means they lived by finding food like berries and hunting animals. But during the Neolithic Revolution, people started to farm and keep animals. This made it possible for them to stay in one place and have a steady source of food. This change allowed people to settle down and build towns and cities. It was a big step forward for humanity and allowed for the development of civilization.

In the story of the Garden of Eden, the first humans were given a new start in a special place where they lived in harmony with nature and had everything they needed. The Neolithic Revolution also marked a new start for humanity, as it allowed people to settle down in one place and have a more secure and reliable source of food. Both the Garden of Eden story and the Neolithic Revolution symbolize a change in the way people lived and interacted with their environment. In the case of the Garden of Eden story, it represents a new beginning for humanity in a perfect world, while the Neolithic Revolution marked the start of a new era in which people were able to build communities and eventually create civilizations. Both of these events were significant moments in human history that changed the course of human development.

 

[AV1611VET]

The distance from from Mount Ararat where Noah's ark landed to Guam is roughly 10,000 KM so it should be obvious that it took many years for the Noah birds that were Kingfisher's ancestors with multiple specializations in multiple places before a descended related species arrived on Guam to evolve into today's Kingfisers.

You're assuming, of course, that the tract of real estate known as "Guam" was out in the Pacific Ocean at the time.

Ever heard of Panthalassa?

 

[Diamond72]

Ever heard of Panthalassa

I have heard of Pangea. Did you use to have a theory about how Eden was in New Jersey?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have heard of Pangea. Did you use to have a theory about how Eden was in New Jersey?

No.

I have a theory that Noah lived in [what is now] New Jersey before the Flood.

This is because:

First of all, the Ark was to be made with pitch, a product of the pine tree, and "New Jersey" is ripe with pine trees.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

Second of all, with there being no large bodies of water -- (such as the Atlantic Ocean) -- "New Jersey" was much, much closer to Mesopotamia than it is today.

Thirdly, God told Adam to repopulate the earth, and I don't believe the earth's population at the time of the Flood was confined to just the Mesopotamian region.

"New Jersey" was outside of Mesopotamia at the time; just where you might expect to find Noah living.

After all, the United States settled from coast-to-coast -- (a distance of some 3000 miles) -- in about 150 years.

Adam's people had 1656 years of expansion prior to the Flood.

In no way, shape, or form do I think Noah was living in Mesopotamia prior to the Flood.