Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

[Bradskii]

Gender and sex is the same thing....you are NOT really the opposite sex.

Good grief. You say it's the same thing and then in the same breath you say it's different. Of course you're not the opposite sex! If You were a woman and felt like a woman then THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

You've been given enough authorative definitions. There actually isn't one anywhere that you will find that says that one's gender and one's biological sex are the same thing. Not one anywhere. You can state it is until the cows come home but you are obviously, categorically, galactically wrong.

And it makes all your arguments worthless. Who on earth is going to seriously consider anything you say about transgenderism when you insist that the very word gender means something it doesn't.

 

[Neogaia777]

We do not yet have the ability to fix their brains so that they’re able to perceive “the reality” in which they are the gender that matches with their outward physical attributes, they can only see the “reality” of their body being “wrong”.
We can fix their body to match what they’re thinking, though.
It’s criminal that we don’t.
Reality is what we make it.
Did you even know that you’re a materialist?

Children are not yet mature enough yet to know what they really truly are yet, so we should not be trying to alter them with surgery, or with drugs, or with chemicals, or whatever, until they finally are one day, etc...

And it is up to the parent to either let them, or not let them, "try anything on", or try anything out, in the meantime, etc...

But I expect that right to be taken away from them soon, etc...

They'll probably soon start jailing the parents for child abuse if they don't allow their children to do that sometime soon, etc...

God Bless!

 

[The Righterzpen]

As per the suggestion of 3 different bathroom / locker rooms:

About 8 or so years ago; the YMCA I used to take my son to for swimming lessons; had a male, a female and handicapped / family assist locker room / restroom. The family locker room had a sign that clearly said: "This locker room is used by both males and females." My son was about 10 to 12 at the time. He has developmental issues and needed assistance. So, I would take him in the family locker room.

Well one time when we were there; there were a bunch of girls in the family locker room, who were about his age. Well they freaked out when they saw him come out of one of the handicapped wheelchair changing rooms. I was in the changing room next to him.

They were upset that he was in "the girls" locker room. I had to remind them that they weren't in the girls locker room; they were in the family locker room and that there was a sign on the door that stated this locker room was used by both males and females. One of the girls ran out and read the sign; yelled back through the door. "Yeah, she's right, that's what it says." And the girls that were upset removed themselves.

So yeah, I "get it"; and from several perspectives.

12 year old girls become upset when they see a 12 year old boy in a handicapped assist family locker room. So yeah, trans people are going to face complications with bathroom / and (particularly) locker room choices.

My son was probably about 15 years old before he was able to go into a men's bathroom by himself for not needing my help. (The auto flush toilets scared him; so I'd have to find him a bathroom that didn't have an auto flush.)

Even when my son was young; (4 to 8 years old) there were people that were upset with him being in the women's room, with me even. Now THAT I don't understand. He was a child for crying out loud! I've known plenty of parents who have developmentally disabled adult sons who can't use a bathroom by themselves and there are people who get upset with moms taking that population into a women's bathroom (with mom as their aide).

So yeah, trans people will face challenges with bathroom choices.

 

[Neogaia777]

In my opinion our children do not need to be "fixed" just because they might be feeling one way or another, which might only be temporary, etc, but they need to always be and feel 100% completely free to always be working on figuring that out for themselves until they are finally of the right age, or have come of (the right) age, etc.

Trying to "alter them" before then is child abuse and is very, very wrong in my opinion, etc, as they are not even fully developed in the kinds of ways they need to develop yet, etc, so doing it before then is just plain "nutts", and is very, very "crazy", to the point of being "insane", etc.

My opinion/view is that somebody must be making money of of it somewhere, or else it wouldn't be happening, etc.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

As per the suggestion of 3 different bathroom / locker rooms:

About 8 or so years ago; the YMCA I used to take my son to for swimming lessons; had a male, a female and handicapped / family assist locker room / restroom. The family locker room had a sign that clearly said: "This locker room is used by both males and females." My son was about 10 to 12 at the time. He has developmental issues and needed assistance. So, I would take him in the family locker room.

Well one time when we were there; there were a bunch of girls in the family locker room, who were about his age. Well they freaked out when they saw him come out of one of the handicapped wheelchair changing rooms. I was in the changing room next to him.

They were upset that he was in "the girls" locker room. I had to remind them that they weren't in the girls locker room; they were in the family locker room and that there was a sign on the door that stated this locker room was used by both males and females. One of the girls ran out and read the sign; yelled back through the door. "Yeah, she's right, that's what it says." And the girls that were upset removed themselves.

So yeah, I "get it"; and from several perspectives.

12 year old girls become upset when they see a 12 year old boy in a handicapped assist family locker room. So yeah, trans people are going to face complications with bathroom / and (particularly) locker room choices.

My son was probably about 15 years old before he was able to go into a men's bathroom by himself for not needing my help. (The auto flush toilets scared him; so I'd have to find him a bathroom that didn't have an auto flush.)

Even when my son was young; (4 to 8 years old) there were people that were upset with him being in the women's room, with me even. Now THAT I don't understand. He was a child for crying out loud! I've known plenty of parents who have developmentally disabled adult sons who can't use a bathroom by themselves and there are people who get upset with moms taking that population into a women's bathroom (with mom as their aide).

So yeah, trans people will face challenges with bathroom choices.

Yeah, but it is perfectly fine that you should face challenges though.

(I'm being a bit sarcastic, so please don't get upset, ok)

(I am only trying to make a point, or point something out, ok)

God Bless!

 

[The Righterzpen]

Yeah, but it is perfectly fine that you should face challenges though.

(I'm being a bit sarcastic, so please don't get upset, ok)

(I am only trying to make a point, or point something out, ok)

God Bless!

Well, what ever your point is suppose to be - your comment doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yeah, but it is perfectly fine that you should face challenges though.

(I'm being a bit sarcastic, so please don't get upset, ok)

(I am only trying to make a point, or point something out, ok)

God Bless!

And that point is that it is very, very difficult to reach an agreement, or a compromise, when neither side wants to be even in slightest kind of way even mildly inconvenienced for the other, etc.

And in my opinion, it is part of the problem here, etc.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, what ever your point is suppose to be - your comment doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

See my post just now.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, what ever your point is suppose to be - your comment doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And it is also that nobody cares about anyone else's challenges as long as they are not their own, etc.

And that it/that, is part of the problem here also, etc.

God Bless!

 

[Pommer]

Children are not yet mature enough yet to know what they really truly are yet, so we should not be trying to alter them with surgery, or with drugs, or with chemicals, or whatever, until they finally are one day, etc...

And it is up to the parent to either let them, or not let them, "try anything on", or try anything out, in the meantime, etc...

But I expect that right to be taken away from them soon, etc...

They'll probably soon start jailing the parents for child abuse if they don't allow their children to do that sometime soon, etc...

God Bless!

Who’s talking about children!?
Please don’t poison the well with this tangent!

 

[SilverBear]

Maybe if we beat them hard enough with our reality, they’ll come to their senses!
What if they don’t?
What’s “the plan” then?

the beatings will continue until you choose to pretend to conform.

 

[SilverBear]

And if you want to take drugs to artificially chemically alter your body so you can match the opposite sex pumping yourself full of female hormones to try and grow breasts or male hormones to grow facial hair and undergo surgeries then yes that is evidence of a mental health condition and matches the dysphoria definition.

No it doesn't BECAUSE it is lacking both distress and disfunction caused by the condition

Your prejudices are yours and yours alone.

Transgender people have a mental health condition. It all fits.

No it doesn't BECAUSE it is lacking both distress and disfunction caused by the condition

They need psychological help.

No the people who irrationally hate them do

 

[SilverBear]

They ARE the gender that matches their sex. They just think they are not.

no, YOU think they are

We would do more for them if we help them live in reality and accept who they are in reality.

which is exactly what they are trying to do and it is what you are condemning them for. Your complaint isn't about reality its about conformity and anyone who doesn't conform to YOUR ideals of normalcy must be sick,

We are not fixing their body. There is nothing wrong with their body. Their body is exactly what it should be. Male or female.

Your opinion

Mental illness is a terrible thing. And if an adult wants to alter their body and pump chemicals into it then be my guest. They are responsible for the outcomes.

Leave the kids alone because they are not.

you are the one that keeps brining kids in

 

[rjs330]

Good grief. You say it's the same thing and then in the same breath you say it's different. Of course you're not the opposite sex! If You were a woman and felt like a woman then THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

You've been given enough authorative definitions. There actually isn't one anywhere that you will find that says that one's gender and one's biological sex are the same thing. Not one anywhere. You can state it is until the cows come home but you are obviously, categorically, galactically wrong.

And it makes all your arguments worthless. Who on earth is going to seriously consider anything you say about transgenderism when you insist that the very word gender means something it doesn't.

I'm not sure how many times I have to say this. I've already shared the truth of where today's definition of gender came from. It was not from some amazing scientific discovery. It came out of the mind of sick individual who's theories were proven to be an utter failure. You must ask yourself why the definition has persisted. Despite the failures of his theories and his own personal illness and pedophilic support.

Before this sick twisted individual came along gender was limited to language and sex. Male gender or female gender. It was a solid reference to male and female sex. It wasn't until he decided with no scientific discoveries that his theory would be gender was in your mind and not the body. He separated gender from sex by stating we as humans are actually hermaphrodites in our minds and gender was separate from sex. That was HIS theory and HIS definition. And you trust this guy to be right? HE'S the authority we trust to have been correct?

This says a lot about what is wrong today.

 

[rjs330]

I assume you are joking, or are being sarcastic, etc, but a third restroom/lockeroom/changeroom would be for anybody regardless of sex, or what kind of biology they currently have, etc, and no one would ever be forced to use them either necessarily, etc, but and/or because we do have to protect our children from seeing the private parts of the opposite sex until they are older or are of age, etc, and since no one is being forced to do anything short of exposing their private parts to young children, it is also not discrimination or segregation necessarily either, etc.

This is only the one and only area we would ever have to have anything like this, etc, and it's not discrimination or segregation, etc, but is only for basic human decency, etc.

Now maybe one day maybe, when everyone can freely walk around everywhere naked perhaps, and everyone is doing it, etc, and no one ever has any kinds of problems with it ever at all, etc, then maybe we could eliminate things like this maybe, but probably not until then probably, etc.

It would not at all ever be like, or ever become like, when we used to actively and purposely discriminate against other races, or people of a different ethnicity/color, and segregate them from each other in almost every single area of our lives in the past previously, etc.

This, and the reasons for this, etc, is/are "100% totally different", etc.

God Bless!

I really support the third bathroom locker room ideas. I always have. I also don't have an issue with if you look like the sex you are trying to be, Blair White comes to mind, then I've got no problem with you using the female bathroom. No one would ever know. But if you look like Donald Trump or Joe Biden you should stay out of the female bathroom.

A separate locker room for them is what should be happening.

But please do not equate transgender ideology with being back and the civil rights. Getting naked with the opposite sex and exposing your genitalia to children of the opposite sex is not REMOTELY the same thing.

And no one is saying we have to segregate them from every area of our lives. Who has said that?

We all have lived with and worked with people who had a mental illness. If they can function just fine with it, then we certainly should not remove them from our lives or work places. Transgender people are no different. I don't have any problem working with a transgender person. And if they present themselves as the sex they feel they are then I have no problem with using she/her or he/him pronouns. Cause they actually look like the opposite sex. But if they look like a man then I'm not going to call them she/her. That's just ridiculous.

 

[rjs330]

Who’s talking about children!?
Please don’t poison the well with this tangent!

Are you kidding. I've been talking about children this entire thread!

Adults are free to alter themselves all they want. Cause they are adults and can and should deal with the consequences of their own choices. Children are a different matter all together.

 

[rjs330]

no, YOU think they are

which is exactly what they are trying to do and it is what you are condemning them for. Your complaint isn't about reality its about conformity and anyone who doesn't conform to YOUR ideals of normalcy must be sick,

Your opinion

you are the one that keeps brining kids in

Of course I'm bringing in kids. They are the ones I am most concerned about. I feel bad for anyone going through this, but if an adult wants to alter themselves go ahead.

But kids should not be allowed to do so and should not be encouraged to do so. And kids in schools should not be exposed to thinking they might be the opposite sex. Leave them alone.

 

[Bradskii]

I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.

It wasn't relevant the first time you said it. It wasn't relevant this time. And it won't be relevant however many more times you say it. There isn't a medical authority on the planet that doesn't recognise, define and accept what gender is. It wasn't 'invented' a few years ago by an individual, no more than evolution was 'invented' by Darwin or gravity by Newton. It a characterisitc of humans. And for you to say that the entire world has gone along with some nefarious scheme by a single individual tells us more about you than it does about the matter at hand.

This somewhat pathetic attempt to muddy the waters is frankly embarrassing.

 

[Pommer]

Are you kidding. I've been talking about children this entire thread!

Adults are free to alter themselves all they want. Cause they are adults and can and should deal with the consequences of their own choices. Children are a different matter all together.

I have reviewed the thread and you are correct…you left for a while but popped back in after another poster asserted that medical professionals were handing out hormones & drugs willy-nilly with the notion that children were being given these prescriptions.

Be that as it may, you have a bigger issue confronting you.
Your whole argument centers around people’s body-parts are the defining aspect of their gender; that if someone says that they do not feel as if their body matches what their brains/mind is telling them that they should be, then obviously, this is “mental illness”.

That’s a materialistic point of view. “What you see is what you are!”

 

[rjs330]

I have reviewed the thread and you are correct…you left for a while but popped back in after another poster asserted that medical professionals were handing out hormones & drugs willy-nilly with the notion that children were being given these prescriptions.

Be that as it may, you have a bigger issue confronting you.
Your whole argument centers around people’s body-parts are the defining aspect of their gender; that if someone says that they do not feel as if their body matches what their brains/mind is telling them that they should be, then obviously, this is “mental illness”.

That’s a materialistic point of view. “What you see is what you are!”

It's not just what you see. It is your genetic make up. You ARE a male or female. To reject what you are is a problem. I am white. If I reject that I am white and believe I am Native American then that is a problem.

I do not get to say I am Native American and collect tribal benefits.