Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

[grasping the after wind]

Trans females can't be in the same restroom as a trans male.

Why not?

 

[SilverBear]

Yeah... anyone claiming to be transgender.

Obviously anyone past puberty won't need puberty blockers but yes... I've read the affirmative care model. It requires no gender dysphoria, no diagnosis.

All you need to do is claim an identity.

Transgender is not the same thing as gender dysphoria

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

But for heavens sake don't push that on kids. Don't give kids the idea they could be trans and give them drugs and surgeries because they are kids. They are not capable of making those life altering decisions.

Telling kids the truth about transgender people, isn't getting them want to become transgender. Kids don't just snap their fingers and do the change in a few days. It takes years.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Why not?

Because a trans male looks like a man. And trans women looks like a female.And that would invite biological men to use them. When they see a trans woman in the bathroom alone. So they can possibly rape her. I like the idea of public dressing, showers and bathrooms being locked and only 1 person at a time in them.

 

[rjs330]

"you think you're trans? We agree. Take these pills"

He didn't claim they give out the pills to just anyone. They give out the pills to people claiming to be trans. Often with only a single visit.

 

[rjs330]

Telling kids the truth about transgender people, isn't getting them want to become transgender. Kids don't just snap their fingers and do the change in a few days. It takes years.

You never heard of rapid onset dysphoria?

 

[rjs330]

Transgender is not the same thing as gender dysphoria

It is if you are so upset over being one sex and you feel like you are the other that you take drugs and hormones in order to alter you body chemically and you have to cut off your perfectly healthy body parts in order to create or sew on artificial new ones. Yeah that fits.

And simply taking the drugs and hormones is enough to fit the definition.

There really is no difference just cause the DSM came out and got rid of the old definition just to make the trans genders feel better.

The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in adolescents and adults as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and their assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least two of the following:

• A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
• A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)

In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

There is obvious distress if you are going to take drugs in an attempt to alter the chemical make up of your body to try and turn yourself into the opposite sex. It's even more pronounced if you are also going to have surgeries.

Just wearing clothes or maybe putting on make up or cutting your hair doesn't really fit the bill. But the rest of it does.
Not going to let them get away with randomly changing things under political pressure in order to try and make people feel better and then let you try and twist it to make it sound like taking the drugs and getting surgery is all perfectly normal and and certainly not indicative of distress at all.

 

[Bradskii]

It is if you are so upset over being one sex and you feel like you are the other that you take drugs and hormones in order to alter you body chemically...

So you are going to use a definition of both problems that you think supports your position. A definition that contains nothing except explanations of the difference between biological sex and gender.

You cannot say that trangenderism and gender dysphoria are the same by referencing something you say doesn't exist.

 

[SilverBear]

He didn't claim they give out the pills to just anyone. They give out the pills to people claiming to be trans. Often with only a single visit.

so just anyone

 

[SilverBear]

You never heard of rapid onset dysphoria?

but that only affects unicorns

 

[Diamond7]

Yeah, but you have to consider maybe the very young, very impressionable boys maybe, etc...?

Do you mean the ones that sneak a peek at their daddy's playboy magazine? We use to have male, female, and black rest rooms. So we can just give them the restrooms for the black people. If they want their own drinking fountain we can cover them there also. Once my sister made a mistake and used the black restroom. They laughed and laughed at her and she was so embarrassed.

 

[Diamond7]

so just anyone

I remember a diet doctor back when I was in college. He would line up 30 people in his waiting room to hand out diet pills to whoever wanted them. The other doctors called him a quack, but no one did anything about it.

 

[SilverBear]

It is if you are so upset over being one sex and you feel like you are the other that you take drugs and hormones in order to alter you body chemically and you have to cut off your perfectly healthy body parts in order to create or sew on artificial new ones. Yeah that fits.

And simply taking the drugs and hormones is enough to fit the definition.

There really is no difference just cause the DSM came out and got rid of the old definition just to make the trans genders feel better.

The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in adolescents and adults as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and their assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least two of the following:

• A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
• A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)

In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

There is obvious distress if you are going to take drugs in an attempt to alter the chemical make up of your body to try and turn yourself into the opposite sex. It's even more pronounced if you are also going to have surgeries.

Just wearing clothes or maybe putting on make up or cutting your hair doesn't really fit the bill. But the rest of it does.
Not going to let them get away with randomly changing things under political pressure in order to try and make people feel better and then let you try and twist it to make it sound like taking the drugs and getting surgery is all perfectly normal and and certainly not indicative of distress at all.

and in that diagnosis the key diagnostic feature is "In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

The condition. not other peoples problems with transexuals, not the hate heaped onto the transgendered, not the lies some chose to tell about gender dysphoria, not discrimination, AND it has to be actual measurable impairment. Such impairments are spelled out in detail in the DSM and they don't include any of your opinions. AND the meaning and identification of distress is also spelled in in detail in the DSM and you don't get to alter the meaning of distress just because you want to label people you chose to hate as mentally ill.

 

[rjs330]

So you are going to use a definition of both problems that you think supports your position. A definition that contains nothing except explanations of the difference between biological sex and gender.

You cannot say that trangenderism and gender dysphoria are the same by referencing something you say doesn't exist.

Of course I can because it's a mental health disorder. Believing that you are the opposite sex is the same thing. Gender and sex is the same thing. You feel like you are the opposite sex. You are not really the opposite sex, but you feel like you might be. A woman trapped in a man's body if you will. That's still sex. You are NOT really the opposite sex.

You might as well call it sexual dysphoria. But that's not what psychology has chosen to do. They have chosen to use a term invented by sick twisted a pedophile lover as if he had any idea what he was talking about. This allows them to come up with how many so called genders now? And it allows someone to claim they are gender fluid. But that's preposterous. If you really think you are a man one day and a woman the next you are delusional. You are either a man or a women. You are a male or a female. Your biological sex doesn't change based upon your feelings.

It's a mental disorder. Always if you really believe it.

 

[Pommer]

Of course I can because it's a mental health disorder. Believing that you are the opposite sex is the same thing. Gender and sex is the same thing. You feel like you are the opposite sex. You are not really the opposite sex, but you feel like you might be. A woman trapped in a man's body if you will. That's still sex. You are NOT really the opposite sex.

You might as well call it sexual dysphoria. But that's not what psychology has chosen to do. They have chosen to use a term invented by sick twisted a pedophile lover as if he had any idea what he was talking about.

It's a mental disorder. Always if you really believe it.

Maybe if we beat them hard enough with our reality, they’ll come to their senses!
What if they don’t?
What’s “the plan” then?

 

[rjs330]

and in that diagnosis the key diagnostic feature is "In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

The condition. not other peoples problems with transexuals, not the hate heaped onto the transgendered, not the lies some chose to tell about gender dysphoria, not discrimination, AND it has to be actual measurable impairment. Such impairments are spelled out in detail in the DSM and they don't include any of your opinions. AND the meaning and identification of distress is also spelled in in detail in the DSM and you don't get to alter the meaning of distress just because you want to label people you chose to hate as mentally ill.

And if you want to take drugs to artificially chemically alter your body so you can match the opposite sex pumping yourself full of female hormones to try and grow breasts or male hormones to grow facial hair and undergo surgeries then yes that is evidence of a mental health condition and matches the dysphoria definition.

Transgender people have a mental health condition. It all fits.

They need psychological help. Not drugs that alter thier bodies to try and be the opposite sex or surgeries to try and become the opposite sex.

 

[rjs330]

Maybe if we beat them hard enough with our reality, they’ll come to their senses!
What if they don’t?
What’s “the plan” then?

Our reality? Try reality. It's not like there are two realities and both of them are valid. A person who is having hallucinations is not living in reality and neither is a transgender person.

The reality is they are the sex they were born as. If they believe they are not they are suffering from a delusion.

As an adult they are able to make those decisions themselves. They will have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

Kids on the other hand are entirely different as I've said a million times.

And the rest of us should not cater to the adults issues. Men need to stay out of the female locker rooms until they have undergone ALL the necessary surgeries and you can't tell the difference. And they need to stay out of the female sports period.

 

[Pommer]

Our reality? Try reality. It's not like there are two realities and both of them are valid. A person who is having hallucinations is not living in reality and neither is a transgender person.

The reality is they are the sex they were born as. If they believe they are not they are suffering from a delusion.

As an adult they are able to make those decisions themselves. They will have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

Kids on the other hand are entirely different as I've said a million times.

And the rest of us should not cater to the adults issues. Men need to stay out of the female locker rooms until they have undergone ALL the necessary surgeries and you can't tell the difference. And they need to stay out of the female sports period.

We do not yet have the ability to fix their brains so that they’re able to perceive “the reality” in which they are the gender that matches with their outward physical attributes, they can only see the “reality” of their body being “wrong”.
We can fix their body to match what they’re thinking, though.
It’s criminal that we don’t.
Reality is what we make it.
Did you even know that you’re a materialist?

 

[rjs330]

We do not yet have the ability to fix their brains so that they’re able to perceive “the reality” in which they are the gender that matches with their outward physical attributes, they can only see the “reality” of their body being “wrong”.
We can fix their body to match what they’re thinking, though.
It’s criminal that we don’t.
Reality is what we make it.
Did you even know that you’re a materialist?

They ARE the gender that matches their sex. They just think they are not. We would do more for them if we help them live in reality and accept who they are in reality.

We are not fixing their body. There is nothing wrong with their body. Their body is exactly what it should be. Male or female.

Mental illness is a terrible thing. And if an adult wants to alter their body and pump chemicals into it then be my guest. They are responsible for the outcomes.

Leave the kids alone because they are not.

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you mean the ones that sneak a peek at their daddy's playboy magazine? We use to have male, female, and black rest rooms. So we can just give them the restrooms for the black people. If they want their own drinking fountain we can cover them there also. Once my sister made a mistake and used the black restroom. They laughed and laughed at her and she was so embarrassed.

I assume you are joking, or are being sarcastic, etc, but a third restroom/lockeroom/changeroom would be for anybody regardless of sex, or what kind of biology they currently have, etc, and no one would ever be forced to use them either necessarily, etc, but and/or because we do have to protect our children from seeing the private parts of the opposite sex until they are older or are of age, etc, and since no one is being forced to do anything short of exposing their private parts to young children, it is also not discrimination or segregation necessarily either, etc.

This is only the one and only area we would ever have to have anything like this, etc, and it's not discrimination or segregation, etc, but is only for basic human decency, etc.

Now maybe one day maybe, when everyone can freely walk around everywhere naked perhaps, and everyone is doing it, etc, and no one ever has any kinds of problems with it ever at all, etc, then maybe we could eliminate things like this maybe, but probably not until then probably, etc.

It would not at all ever be like, or ever become like, when we used to actively and purposely discriminate against other races, or people of a different ethnicity/color, and segregate them from each other in almost every single area of our lives in the past previously, etc.

This, and the reasons for this, etc, is/are "100% totally different", etc.

God Bless!