RECORD vs LAYERS

[doubtingmerle]

We can learn the original language. We can translate the Bible ourselves. Strongs helps out quite a bit though.

LOL. Who would you learn the original language from? Do you not turn to those who have used science and reason to figure out what the original language meant?

Strong's Concordance was not inspired by God. It was developed by using observation and reason to figure out what ancient words meant. It is similar to the observation and reason that scientists use when they study fossils.

If those who use science as their guide are "OF THE WORLD, corrupt, [and] cannot help", as AAron puts it, then why is Aaron trusting the observation and reason that people used to develop his concordance?

 

[Hans Blaster]

We can learn the original language. We can translate the Bible ourselves. Strongs helps out quite a bit though.

You're new here, so you probably don't realize that "AV" thinks that the KJV isn't a translation, but written in the original language of creation -- Jacobean English. (And that Adam wrote the Garden of Eden parts himself, or something like that.)

Good luck with this conversation, your sanity is at risk.

 

[Diamond72]

LOL. Who would you learn the original language from? Do you not turn to those who have used science and reason to figure out what the original language meant?

I learn Kaballah from the Hasidic. For the most part, people do not understand the Bible at that level until they have been a Christian for 40 years. I did not get saved until my late 20's so I did not start to understand until my late 60s. Although the Rabbi do try to make their teaching available for everyone.

I can repeat this as many times as I need to. I am looking at the natural evidence. Men of science have done a wonderful job of collecting that evidence for us. Also, I am looking at the scientific method. My father is a medical doctor so he has been teaching me science all my life. Doctors need to be able to give advice that works.

Half the people would not be alive today if it were not for science and doctors. They do kill a lot of people, but the people would not still be alive for them to kill if they had not extended their lives.

 

[Diamond72]

You mean since Genesis 1, where He told us what He did, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, and how long it took Him to do it?

Yes, that is what I mean. All of what you said agrees with science. Of course, the problem is getting the days in Genesis one to line up with the events that have taken place from the foundation of the world. Gerald Schroeder is able to get them to line up. The Age of the Universe | Gerald Schroeder

The perfect 24-hour day that you talk about is a future event. It has not happened yet. Because of the moon and the spindown rate of the earth, the days are getting longer until the perfect day arrives. I think the perfect 24 hour day will give us a perfect 360 day year. But I have not run the math and I have not gotten my son to do that yet. A day is 23 hours 56 min and 4 seconds right now. So your 24 hour day does not exist yet in the real world. A year right now is 364 1/4 days.

Proverbs 4:18 "
But the path of the just is like the shining sun, That shines ever brighter unto the perfect day.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, that is what I mean. All of what you said agrees with science.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Aaron112]

I can repeat this as many times as I need to.

I don't think it ever needed nor needs repeating.

 

[Aaron112]

I learn Kaballah from the Hasidic.

Do you think this ever helped ?

 

[Aaron112]

Also, I am looking at the scientific method. My father is a medical doctor so he has been teaching me science all my life. Doctors need to be able to give advice that works.

Half the people would not be alive today if it were not for science and doctors. They do kill a lot of people, but the people would not still be alive for them to kill if they had not extended their lives.

Why look for a methods that kill a lot of people.
Seek instead the methods that help and heal.
I think you''ll find it a lot easier than kbblh , and a lot more effective.

 

[Aaron112]

Oops, bad slip. You really should not make such a claim that there is no evidence /not that I know of ever/ for , and is directly contrary to the truth, as far as I know.

If those who use science as their guide are "OF THE WORLD, corrupt, [and] cannot help", as AAron puts it, then why is Aaron trusting the observation and reason that people used to develop his concordance?

The Creator Clearly Says that the things/people/ideas of the world are contrary to Truth, contrary to spirit, and not to be trusted.

 

[Diamond72]

Do you think this ever helped ?

Think about what you are saying. The Bible was written in Hebrew. If you do not know Hebrew then how are you going to translate the Bible into English? This does not even get into how much of the Bible is oral tradition and not written down. As I said, Strongs helps a lot but I wanted to be able to go beyond that.

 

[Diamond72]

Why look for a methods that kill a lot of people.

I was talking about mistakes they make. Doctor errors are the third leading cause of death.

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

More than 250,000 people in the US die every year because of medical mistakes, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Diamond72]

No, it doesn't.

Show me a contradiction between the Bible and Science. There are none. You want 24-hour days? At the speed of light, there is NO TIME. We know God is light. We know there is no time with God. So Genesis chapter one is written from God's perspective. Genesis chapter two is written from man's perspective. The first word in the Bible is Beginning and that is the perspective: from the beginning looking forward. When "God Said".

 

[Diamond72]

Adam wrote the Garden of Eden parts himself, or something like that.

The oral tradition is said to go back to Adam.

 

[AV1611VET]

Show me a contradiction between the Bible and Science.

Bible: Birds were created before dinosaurs.
Science: Birds came after dinosaurs.

Bible: Whales were created before land animals.
Science: Whales were created after land animals.

(Whales have lungs, not gills; and according to science, lungs were fully developed by land animals first.)

There are none.

There are plenty.

But for the record, God didn't use science to configure this universe.

You want 24-hour days?

Sure.

At the speed of light, there is NO TIME.

That sounds fishy to me.

We know God is light.

K

We know there is no time with God.

We know God is outside of time, yet we also know that God operates on a timetable.

So Genesis chapter one is written from God's perspective.

K

Genesis chapter two is written from man's perspective.

Then how did Adam know God took one of his ribs to make Eve, if Adam was fast asleep?

The first word in the Bible is Beginning and that is the perspective: from the beginning looking forward. When "God Said".

Yup.

"God said" -- not "science says".

 

[Diamond72]

Bible: Birds were created before dinosaurs.

Where do you find dinosaurs in the Bible? The real issue has to do with the length of the days. The general order of events lines up.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And yet he is right, more often than others, so stop arguing.

'Stop arguing because he might be right' smacks of desperation...

 

[AV1611VET]

Where do you find dinosaurs in the Bible? The real issue has to do with the length of the days. The general order of events lines up.

As far as the order of creation, the length of days doesn't matter, does it?

Those days could be ten seconds long, or ten billion years long.

The point is: birds before dinosaurs.

 

[AV1611VET]

'Stop arguing because he might be right' smacks of desperation...

It don't matter to me.

The more they argue, the more they show they don't understand.

I post the Bible says God created the beasts of the earth on Day Six, and what's the comeback?

"Where do you find dinosaurs in the Bible?"

Really?

 

[Diamond72]

As far as the order of creation, the length of days doesn't matter, does it?

Each day is half the length of the day before it. They are not the same length. Because the perspective is from the beginning. Not from today looking back, which is our perspective.

Birds and fish were created on the fifth day. We think that birds fly, but they swim more then then fly. God divided the water above from the water below. Genesis 1:20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Dinosaurs would have been created on the sixth day. Turtles and crocodiles go back to the dinosaurs only they could swim so they survived the flood.

I am really surprised that Steven Spielburg did not incorporate more feathers into his dinosaurs in his more recent movies. He is more interested in trying to make them look mean and does not seem to want people to know how beautiful they are. Maybe there will be a dinosaur park in Heaven so we can see for ourselves. I hear stories that the kids in Heaven will be able to ride the dinosaurs. The will be tame and friendly.

 

[AV1611VET]

Each day is half the length of the day before it. They are not the same length. Because the perspective is from the beginning. Not from today looking back, which is our perspective.

Okie doke.