RECORD vs LAYERS

[Aaron112]

large number of scientists involved in determining the age of the Earth, rock layers, and Universe is clearly stated.

The Creator Says One Thing, they usually say something else contrary to Him. That's on them.

AV has posted a lot of posts and probably threads about this, having I guess studied it a lot. I don't get into it other than a person's faith is a choice , to trust The Creator, by His Grace when He Permits, or to trust mankind, which I think never works out good for anyone.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know if it gets under my skin at all or not. I just don't know why people , or how people, can continue so long and expend so much time and effort defending the things of the world ?

I take it it's just part of the Great Commission.

I admit, I've lost my cool and been suspended a few times.

Some things I do say aren't Christ-like at times; but I work on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

THere are others that follow and procede, but as the thread went on you started to also mix in general comments about government spending and politicians that aren't central to you accusation that scientists are greedy and dishonest.

When SETI and NASA stick their hands in my pockets, I have a right to complain.

 

[Aaron112]

When SETI and NASA stick their hands in my pockets, I have a right to complain.

Doesn't nasa have a budget, much of it 'secret', bigger than everything else except pharmakeia ? I think it is bigger than all the military combined, but it has been a while... and things change.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Doesn't nasa have a budget, much of it 'secret', bigger than everything else except pharmakeia ? I think it is bigger than all the military combined, but it has been a while... and things change.

NASA's budget isn't secret at all. And it's not that large compared to other agencies and departments.

(Are you thinking of the NSA, the National Security Agency, the DOD agency that runs all of the electronic intercepts. [Hi guys!])

 

[doubtingmerle]

The Creator Says One Thing, they usually say something else contrary to Him. That's on them.

AV has posted a lot of posts and probably threads about this, having I guess studied it a lot. I don't get into it other than a person's faith is a choice , to trust The Creator, by His Grace when He Permits, or to trust mankind, which I think never works out good for anyone.

Av's posts don't stand up so well under scrutiny. For instance, on the topic of this thread, he has no leg to stand on regarding the fossil layers. For the layers were certainly not there at creation, are not the result of a random flood, and are not an orderly cleanup after the flood. How did they get there? See Flood Geology and Scientific Creationism and Billions of Angels Did It! .

 

[AV1611VET]

Two out of three ain't too bad.

Let's work on it some more, shall we?

For the layers were certainly not there at creation,

Correct.

... are not the result of a random flood,

Correct.

... and are not an orderly cleanup after the flood.

Wrong.

 

[Aaron112]

Av's posts don't stand up so well under scrutiny.

And yet he is right, more often than others, so stop arguing.

 

[Aaron112]

How did they get there? See

AVs answer, or better yet, see the Creator, and Jesus the Savior, who we serve.


science and the world , OF THE WORLD, corruupt, cannot help.

 

[Diamond72]

The Creator Says One Thing, they usually say something else contrary to Him. That's on them.

Not at all. Science can be used 100% to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. The problem has to do with translation and interpretation. Science can show us where our traditional understanding of the Bible does not line up with what the Bible really says. Jesus warns us about the traditions of man.

 

[Diamond72]

Av's posts don't stand up so well under scrutiny. For instance, on the topic of this thread, he has no leg to stand on regarding the fossil layers.

The worldwide flood took place at the time of Pangea around 200 million years ago. The earth has been here 5 billion years so we have five billion years worth of layers. It took five billion years to create all the layers we find in the grand canyon. But the canyon itself was carved out in a short period of time by the flood.

In other words either the flood created the layers or the flood carved the canyon out of the layers but you can not do both. You have to pick one or the other.

 

[Diamond72]

Everyone in any job, school, location, religion, politic, science, finance, or whatever
is tempted to lie,

There are very few honest jobs. Most everyone lies, cheats, and steals to some degree so they can worship at the altar to money. There was a whole book written about this: "What Would Jesus Do". The rather simple book challenges people to live their life the way Jesus lived His life. I actually was a carpenter so I did the same work that Jesus did.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The worldwide flood took place at the time of Pangea around 200 million years ago.

What is the geological evidence of a world wide flood ~200 mya?

The earth has been here 5 billion years so we have five billion years worth of layers.

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

It took five billion years to create all the layers we find in the grand canyon.

Most of the layers the canyon cuts through were formed between 550 million and 270 million years ago.

But the canyon itself was carved out in a short period of time by the flood.

The Grand Canyon of the Colorado was *not* carved by a flood, but by several million years of gradual erosion. (Different parts of the canyon have different ages.)

In other words either the flood created the layers or the flood carved the canyon out of the layers but you can not do both. You have to pick one or the other.

Or as geology would say: NEITHER.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not at all. Science can be used 100% to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. The problem has to do with translation and interpretation. Science can show us where our traditional understanding of the Bible does not line up with what the Bible really says. Jesus warns us about the traditions of man.

Since when did God transfer the onus of Bible interpretation on to science?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Study what? study science or study the word of truth?

 

[Diamond72]

Since when did God transfer the onus of Bible interpretation on to science?

God gives us the Bible, and God gives us science. He does not contradict himself. By science, I mean the scientific method and physical evidence like fossil evidence. God wants us to know what He has done. He gives us the ability to understand.

Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"

The day you seem to be talking about, what you call a "literal day" - God did not create until the fourth day.

Genesis 1: 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[AV1611VET]

God wants us to know what He has done.

You mean since Genesis 1, where He told us what He did, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, and how long it took Him to do it?

 

[Diamond72]

You mean since Genesis 1, where He told us what He did, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, and how long it took Him to do it?

Yes, exactly. Every book in the world would not be enough to tell us what God did in Genesis one. Yet He is able to condense it all down to 31 verses.

John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written everyone, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

 

[doubtingmerle]

And yet he is right, more often than others, so stop arguing.

LOL, have you seen AV's struggles to explain the layers of fossils down there?

And how about his failed attempts to convince us the earth has a physical age different from its actual years of existence. Everybody here seems to disagree.

What do you think? Do you think Earth existed 6025 years and yet is physically perhaps millions of years old?

 

[doubtingmerle]

AVs answer, or better yet, see the Creator, and Jesus the Savior, who we serve.


science and the world , OF THE WORLD, corruupt, cannot help.

And can you explain to me exactly how you would possibly know the word of the Creator without relying on the science of textual scholars and translators? Even if the original copies of the Bible were Gods perfect word, that would not help you unless you had the science of textual analysis and translation to figure out which words were likely in the original, and what those words meant..

 

[Diamond72]

And can you explain to me exactly how you would possibly know the word of the Creator without relying on the science of textual scholars and translators? Even if the original copies of the Bible were Gods perfect word, that would not help you unless you had the science of textual analysis and translation to figure out which words were likely in the original, and what those words meant..

We can learn the original language. We can translate the Bible ourselves. Strongs helps out quite a bit though.