RECORD vs LAYERS

[Diamond72]

'Stop arguing because he might be right' smacks of desperation...

He follows the Bible pretty close and he sticks to the KJV. Gensis chapter one talks about the Beginning and genesis chapter two talks about the generations. Esp the generations of Adam. So this is the perspective or viewpoint. In the Special Theory of Relativity, Einstein determined that time is relative—in other words, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference.

According to Science that length of a day in Gensis chapter one depends on your frame of reference. Or your point of observation. When I was 8 years old, God took me to the center of the universe in a dream. He showed me where the universe began. That is not the center today, but it was in the beginning. I think the reason is because the universe is expanding slightly faster than the speed of light. Also there was no light at the very beginning.

The moment of first light in the universe, was between 240,000 and 300,000 years after the Big Bang, known as the Era of Recombination. The first time that photons could rest for a second, attached as electrons to atoms. It was at this point that the universe went from being totally opaque, to transparent.

 

[Aaron112]

Hmmm... it might take a 'day' for some or most or all to get understanding....

A 'day' might be a thousand years... or a million or a billion if we , in error, listen to men/mankind/science.

hmmm..... looks like it might be a while....

 

[Aaron112]

This post was quoted twice or more now,
and it looks like no one noted that
you MIS-quoted me. tsk tsk
So then
are you so desperate ? Why ?
Why not just learn to listen and stop arguing ?

'Stop arguing because he might be right' smacks of desperation...

 

[Aaron112]

was talking about mistakes they make. Doctor errors are the third leading cause of death.

So if you learn the doctor's methods/ deceived by pharmakeia as the Bible says, you will be responsible for one third of the deaths or more along with them.

If you learn what is God's Way, no death responsibility if you learn right, maybe one percent to three percent while you're learning, and meanwhile you can be healing people instead of making things worse for everyone.

 

[Aaron112]

"Where do you find dinosaurs in the Bible?"

In the 'pictures' section near the index or the contents.

 

[Aaron112]

(Whales have lungs, not gills; and according to science, lungs were fully developed by land animals first.)

Hey , then, how many lung transplants can just one whale, with one lung the size of a car or bigger, provide for man /land animals according to some human science/ ? ugh, don't even think about it.... there is secret research being done in this direction, and it is not healthy nor pretty nor sane nor reasonable , yet it is VERY VERY VERY expensive...

 

[Diamond72]

If you learn what is God's Way, no death responsibility if you learn right, maybe one percent to three percent while you're learning, and meanwhile you can be healing people instead of making things worse for everyone.

As far as we know everyone dies. The question is did they die an early death or did they finish the work God had for them to do? When God revives and resuscitates me, He tells me if I would live right then I would not need to go through what I went through.

1Corinthians11:30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment.

1 Corinthians 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

 

[Aaron112]

The question is did they die an early death or did they finish the work God had for them to do? When God revives and resuscitates me

What? WHen will God revive and resuscitate you ?
Many , even God's Own People, DIE early death because of lack of knowledge. And lack of trusting Him.
Trust mankind, die early unless God prevents it.
Trust God, no anxiety at all.

 

[Aaron112]

He tells me if I would live right then I would not need to go through what I went through.

Jesus says anyone who follows Jesus will necessarily suffer persecution. Even to REJOICE IN FIERY TRIALS. Scourging is needed, Training is needed, Discipline is needed, when as God Directs.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Hey , then, how many lung transplants can just one whale, with one lung the size of a car or bigger, provide for man /land animals according to some human science/ ? ugh, don't even think about it.... there is secret research being done in this direction, and it is not healthy nor pretty nor sane nor reasonable , yet it is VERY VERY VERY expensive...

The scale of whale lungs would make it very difficult or impossible to use them for humans (even a portion).

For xenotransplantation, other great apes or pigs are usually targeted for sources, especially pigs as they are about the right size, easy to grow (we already eat them), and have low issues with histocompatibility.

 

[Diamond72]

What? WHen will God revive and resuscitate you ?

yes for example once my heart stopped and my wife had to call the fire dept to come out and get it going again with a defibrillator. My chance of being alive at that time was one in 1500. It was actually my wife and son that prayed for me. I think they call it congestive heart failure. But that is sort of a negative confession of faith to say that.

The doctor told me that I had a 12 year old son so he decided to do what he could for me. He said if I did not have a son he would not have treated me. Although all he did was put a stint in. It was the other doctor that put a fibular and pacemaker in me.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I can repeat this as many times as I need to. I am looking at the natural evidence. Men of science have done a wonderful job of collecting that evidence for us. Also, I am looking at the scientific method.

Absolutely.

My dispute was with Aaron, who thought he could rely on the Bible without needing to trust in observation and reason. However, to learn what is in the Bible, somebody needs to use observation and reason to collect those ancient scribblings and figure out what they mean. So he does not escape the process of science by turning to the Bible.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Oops, bad slip. You really should not make such a claim that there is no evidence /not that I know of ever/ for , and is directly contrary to the truth, as far as I know.

The Creator Clearly Says that the things/people/ideas of the world are contrary to Truth, contrary to spirit, and not to be trusted.

I don't think the Creator wrote Romans. See Is the Bible Inspired? - .

Even if he did, I have no way of knowing the words in my copy match what the original writer intended years ago. See Is the Bible Perfect? - .

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think the Creator wrote Romans.

Romans compares Jesus to the Law, and shows Jesus as The Way.

Hebrews compares Jesus to the Priesthood, and shows Jesus as The Way.

We believe Paul wrote both books, under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Diamond72]

So he does not escape the process of science by turning to the Bible.

God gives us the evidence we need to study. The Bible is pretty clear that the Holy Spirit is our teacher and our guide. We do not need man to teach us. Jesus warns us about the traditions of man.

 

[Aaron112]

I don't think the Creator wrote Romans.

ooops, bad slip again, ongoing.

See the Creator, seek Him, call on Him. No one else can help anyone , if they reject Him.

You likely are mad or rejecting 'church' things that happened, this is normal and necessary.

If you are mad or rejecting the One Creator Who Gave You Life, that is not good nor necessary.

 

[doubtingmerle]

ooops, bad slip again, ongoing.

See the Creator, seek Him, call on Him. No one else can help anyone , if they reject Him.

You likely are mad or rejecting 'church' things that happened, this is normal and necessary.

If you are mad or rejecting the One Creator Who Gave You Life, that is not good nor necessary.

Obviously you don't know me. I had sought the Creator for years. I was known as a devout follower of Christ and a serious student of the Bible. Then things changed.

No, I didn't get mad. I learned new things, and with that new knowledge, I changed my mind.

I tell the story at How My Mind Was Set Free . Instead of guessing what happened to me, you could just read my story.

 

[AV1611VET]

I learned new things, and with that new knowledge, I changed my mind.

Was one of those "new things" evolution?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Was one of those "new things" evolution?

Yes, when all else was fading, there were two great pillars that held my faith up--the belief in creationism, and the belief that Christianity works. The creationism pillar got kicked out first, long, long ago in a library. See My Epiphany .

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, when all else was fading, there were two great pillars that held my faith up--the belief in creationism, and the belief that Christianity works. The creationism pillar got kicked out first, long, long ago in a library. See My Epiphany .

No wonder you don't think the Creator wrote Romans.

Paul blisters believers who are doing well, embrace evolution, and end up becoming atheists.

(Have we discussed this before?)