Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[Ana the Ist]

What do you really know about racism in America? Have you experienced it? Do you know anybody that has? It's probably better that you comment on things you actually know about.

Here's some stats on racism in America.

Pew research is one of the few places still doing reliable surveys.

Turns out black people hold racist attitudes and beliefs regarding interracial marriage more than other races in the US. Can we just assume then that they're more racist in all respects? Can we safely assume that racism is being perpetuated by black people and such, they need to start eliminating racism in their own communities, and quit spreading it to the next generation? Or should we assume that this is engrained in the black community forever and they'll always be racist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

A couple of news clippings? So educational

There was a chart. Obviously you didn't read it.

I just posted it, it's wasted on you

You posted a study by activists and one by the state of Virginia?

Is that the evidence you're talking about? Or are you confusing your incoherent rambling about the Italian mob with "evidence"?

I assume you don't have to deal with it because you say it's not real.

I never said racism isn't real. I never even said institutional racism isn't real...it is when policies and laws treat people differently.

Your imaginary systemic racism appears entirely made up.

I never assumed that but you seem really defensive about people's experience with racism.

What were your words? My grandma is one of the "good ones" but for every one of her there's a million racists?

You don't know a million people, let alone a million racist old women. This is your personal bias...not your personal experiences.

Violence works,

Against politicians? The senators and presidents and congressmen with guard details?


If you were going to threaten them with violence anyway....why bother making legitimate donations to their campaign? Why not save the money and just threaten them with violence?


You sound like you believe that the movie The Usual Suspects was based on real events. I'm familiar with some of the conspiracy theories unique to the black community (personal favorite, Magic Johnson AIDS conspiracy) but this is a cartoonish view of the world and it undermines every other claim you've made.

 

[rturner76]

Can we just assume then that they're more racist in all respects?

Sure, go for it if that is what your experience tells you

Can we safely assume that racism is being perpetuated by black people and such, they need to start eliminating racism in their own communities, and quit spreading it to the next generation? Or should we assume that this is engrained in the black community forever and they'll always be racist?

Yes....let's go ahead and assume every race has an equal percentage of racists, or blacks are more racist if that's what you like. Do you think there might be a reason for that? Do you think blacks are holding back white people on anything other than maybe social media?
' It's called systemic racism. The problem with your theory is blacks don't control anything in this country as a people. White people do run every industry in our country and the government plus the military so white racism is much more effective for oppression.

 

[rturner76]

There was a chart. Obviously you didn't read it

Like you didn't see mine

You posted a study by activists and one by the state of Virginia?

Is that the evidence you're talking about? Or are you confusing your incoherent rambling about the Italian mob with "evidence"?

Like I said, you don't like the information you dismiss it.

it is when policies and laws treat people differently.

It's when a culture teaches it.

What were your words? My grandma is one of the "good ones" but for every one of her there's a million racists?

No, I said there are millions and millions of racists. Not that there is one nonracist for every couple million racists. Try to keep up

Against politicians? The senators and presidents and congressmen with guard details?

Anybody can be corrupted any anyone can be a target. But sleep tight with your belief that there is no corruption in government (or not much anyway). Mostly because they could never get away with it right? I mean who ever gets away with breaking the law?

 

[Lost Witness]

Oh, do you feel blamed for racism and you want it to stop? Then stop racism.

the thing about the 'racist' card is,
it's double edged like most sin,
hurts those using it as well as the victim and often those who use it more..

 

[rturner76]

the thing about the 'racist' card is,
it's double edged like most sin,
hurts those using it as well as the victim and often those who use it more..

No argument from me on that. People who hate others are miserable.

 

[rjs330]

Some do kill with immunity but not all. The point was that police get to get away with murdering people. But yeah, not all. Maybe I should have specified that but I assumed people know that Always and never aren't good words to use.

Some do? Please do tell. And please use modern cases and not something that happened fifty years ago.

 

[Astrid]

Thank you. Maybe you do have some idea.

True, being black is a black issue

Then what is it one person spreading it all around the country? It's goes on because it's been going on.

Yes, I posted the statistics already.

Some do kill with immunity but not all. The point was that police get to get away with murdering people. But yeah, not all. Maybe I should have specified that but I assumed people know that Always and never aren't good words to use.


Did I say all cops or cops? There is a difference.

Impunity or immunity?
If you say "cops... " it means all.
Same as if you say "Chinese lie".
If you wish to backpedal now, good.
Not many will go even that far to agree their
rhetoric got ahead of reality.

For impunity check black on black murder as in Chicago.



What if I say that blacks get lighter sentences than
whites for comparable crimes?
I can prove it with stats, btw.

 

[rjs330]

It's called systemic racism. The problem with your theory is blacks don't control anything in this country as a people. White people do run every industry in our country and the government plus the military so white racism is much more effective for oppression.

And yet you can't seem to find any real oppression of blacks by white people despite them running everything.

 

[rturner76]

Some do? Please do tell. And please use modern cases and not something that happened fifty years ago.

A white police officer who shot and killed a 31-year-old Black man in Texas two years ago and whose response was deemed “not objectively reasonable” by a preliminary investigation was acquitted of murder by a jury on Thursday.

Former Texas Police Officer Acquitted in 2020 Shooting Death of Black Man (Published 2022)

Officer Shaun Lucas, who is white, shot 31-year-old Jonathan Price four times. After the encounter, he was fired.

www.nytimes.com

This guy slipped through for one example. I'm sure you will disregard it though.

 

[rturner76]

What if I say that blacks get lighter sentences than
whites for comparable crimes?
I can prove it with stats, btw.

Great, let's see it. The stats I found say the opposite and I think I posted it somewhere.

 

[Ken-1122]

Some do

Name one. Name a police station where cops are allowed to kill with impunity.

 

[rturner76]

And yet you can't seem to find any real oppression of blacks by white people despite them running everything.

I have found it in my own life so....

 

[rturner76]

Name one. Name a police station where cops are allowed to kill with impunity.

I'm sure that they don't keep records of sweeping murder under the carpet.

 

[RDKirk]

Some do? Please do tell. And please use modern cases and not something that happened fifty years ago.

Here are three bodycam videos of the acts themselves. The victims are all white, but I don't think that's the specific point being argued in this tangent. They are rough to watch, because we're watching human beings actually dying at the hands of police officers who are in no danger.

 

[rjs330]

A white police officer who shot and killed a 31-year-old Black man in Texas two years ago and whose response was deemed “not objectively reasonable” by a preliminary investigation was acquitted of murder by a jury on Thursday.

Former Texas Police Officer Acquitted in 2020 Shooting Death of Black Man (Published 2022)

Officer Shaun Lucas, who is white, shot 31-year-old Jonathan Price four times. After the encounter, he was fired.

www.nytimes.com

This guy slipped through for one example. I'm sure you will disregard it though.

So he didn't get away with it. He was legally charged and prosecuted. He was found not guilty by a jury.

How did he get away with it with impunity? Are you now claiming that this jury was all racist?

 

[Astrid]

A white police officer who shot and killed a 31-year-old Black man in Texas two years ago and whose response was deemed “not objectively reasonable” by a preliminary investigation was acquitted of murder by a jury on Thursday.

Former Texas Police Officer Acquitted in 2020 Shooting Death of Black Man (Published 2022)

Officer Shaun Lucas, who is white, shot 31-year-old Jonathan Price four times. After the encounter, he was fired.

www.nytimes.com

This guy slipped through for one example. I'm sure you will disregard it though.

So to you a preliminary investigation is the final word,
the determination of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[rjs330]

Here are three bodycam videos of the acts themselves. The victims are all white, but I don't think that's the specific point being argued in this tangent. They are rough to watch, because we're watching human beings actually dying at the hands of police officers who are in no danger.

Did the officer involved get away with it with impunity?

 

[Astrid]

Great, let's see it. The stats I found say the opposite and I think I posted it somewhere.

You did post it. I found it for myself, not being a
great trusted of single - source.
But what I said is true too.
See if you can figure it out.

If it's too hard i will do it for you.

 

[Ken-1122]

The problem with your theory is blacks don't control anything in this country as a people.

Neither do white people!

White people do run every industry in our country and the government

Name an industry or a government in this country run by white people

plus the military

No, the Military is run by Congress. Congress consists of all sorts of different people; not just white people.