A troublesome verse for the Calvinist

[BibleBeliever1611]

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" - Acts 10:34

What this verse is saying is that God doesn't care what kind of person you are. As the proverb goes: red, yellow, black or white, we're all prcious in his sight. However, Calvinism doesn't fit well with this verse. If God chooses one person to be saved and another person to be lost, then it looks like God indeed is a respecter of persons. From a Calvinist point of view Peter would be completely wrong in this verse.

 

[Tolworth John]

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" - Acts 10:34

What this verse is saying is that God doesn't care what kind of person you are. As the proverb goes: red, yellow, black or white, we're all prcious in his sight. However, Calvinism doesn't fit well with this verse. If God chooses one person to be saved and another person to be lost, then it looks like God indeed is a respecter of persons. From a Calvinist point of view Peter would be completely wrong in this verse.

In Gods sight we are All sinners deserving only his wrath and condemnation.
It is an act of incredible grace and love that God saves anyone.

 

[d taylor]

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There are quite a few verses that are trouble for Calvinism, but a Calvinist is not going to say they are.

 

[Jonaitis]

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" - Acts 10:34

What this verse is saying is that God doesn't care what kind of person you are. As the proverb goes: red, yellow, black or white, we're all prcious in his sight. However, Calvinism doesn't fit well with this verse. If God chooses one person to be saved and another person to be lost, then it looks like God indeed is a respecter of persons. From a Calvinist point of view Peter would be completely wrong in this verse.

Actually, Calvinism affirms this. God did not choose people based on anything in reference to themselves

 

[Neostarwcc]

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There are quite a few verses that are trouble for Calvinism, but a Calvinist is not going to say they are.

Oh? Which?

 

[d taylor]

Oh? Which?

John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 2 Corinthians 2:19

 

[Clare73]

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" - Acts 10:34

What this verse is saying is that God doesn't care what kind of person you are. As the proverb goes: red, yellow, black or white, we're all prcious in his sight. However, Calvinism doesn't fit well with this verse. If God chooses one person to be saved and another person to be lost, then it looks like God indeed is a respecter of persons. From a Calvinist point of view Peter would be completely wrong in this verse.

That's what it means when we say it.

When Peter said it, he was referring to God not preferring Jews over Gentiles.

What do Calvinists teach that make this a problematic verse?
We know that God chooses (1 Pe 1:2).

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

What do Calvinists teach that make this a problematic verse?

That God chooses which people are saved, making him a respecter of persons.

 

[Clare73]

That God chooses which people are saved, making him a respecter of persons.

Mt 11:27, Eph 1:14, 2Th 2:13, 1Pe 1:2, 1Pe 2:9, etc.?

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

Mt 11:27, Eph 1:14, 2Th 2:13, 1Pe 1:2, 1Pe 2:9, etc.?

Those verses are just shooting Calvinists to the foot. One of those verses say that the saved people are elect according to the foreknowledge of God, not according to God's choosing like Calvinists teach.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Actually, Calvinism affirms this. God did not choose people based on anything in reference to themselves

Jesus taught that we are to be United, of one mind.

I guess God is playing nasty games with us by pitting us against each other.

Yeah, sure, this really looks like love...
LOL

 

[Clare73]

Those verses are just shooting Calvinists to the foot. One of those verses say that the saved people are elect according to the foreknowledge of God, not according to God's choosing like Calvinists teach.

Oh, dear.

The foreknowledge of God is of his decree to choose them, that's why it's according to his foreknowledge; i.e., according to his decree.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

Oh, dear.

The foreknowledge of God is of his decree to choose them, that's why it's according to his foreknowledge; i.e., according to his decree.

Now you are just twisting the verse. It didn't say according to his decree, it said according to his foreknowledge. Elect according to his foreknowledge just means that God knew all along that Peter would be saved. That's totally different than God choosing him to be elect.

 

[Jonaitis]

Jesus taught that we are to be United, of one mind.

I guess God is playing nasty games with us by pitting us against each other.

Yeah, sure, this really looks like love...
LOL

Well, you will have to argue that with Scripture.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Actually, Calvinism affirms this. God did not choose people based on anything in reference to themselves

But that is a lie from the pit. Our deeds are important to God. Note the verse in full:

Act 10:34-35 Then Peter said, Truly, I see clearly that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation, the man who has fear of him and does righteousness is pleasing to him.

Note this is echoed by Jesus.

Joh 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

Salvation is by grace, we are not judged by the law, but we are justified by the way we respond to God and His word.

 

[Jonaitis]

Salvation is by grace, we are not judged by the law, but we are justified by the way we respond to God and His word.

So, you reject monergism?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

So, you reject monergism?

Of course, I reject it.

What is the order of receiving the Holy Spirit according to Jesus:

Joh 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

1. Jesus comes to all men, giving them His words. A part of which is faith in God, and acceptance of His gift of grace. (John1:9, John 12:36, 1Timothy 2:4-6, John 6:29 )
2. Man chooses to either, obey God, or disobey (Job 36:10-12)
3. The obedient receive the Holy Spirit, God manifests Himself (Romans 2:7)
4. The disobedient remain blind (Romans 2:8, Romans 1:21 )

Jesus rejects Monergism.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Well, you will have to argue that with Scripture.

Wow.
That's original...

 

[Clare73]

Now you are just twisting the verse. It didn't say according to his decree, it said according to his foreknowledge.

Or you don't understand what God's foreknowledge is.

In the NT, God's foreknowledge is of his own actions, not of the actions of men.
And God knows his own actions of the future, because he has decreed since before the foundations of the world what those actions would be.
(Ac 15:38, 2:23; 4:28, Is 48:3, Ro 8:29, 11:2, Is 37:26, 45:21).

Elect according to his foreknowledge just means that God knew all along that Peter would be saved. That's totally different than God choosing him to be elect.

And your denial of the plain Biblical text which states that God chose the recipients of Peter's letter for salvation (1Pe 1:2) shows your own twisting of the verse, as Peter condemns in 2 Pe 3:16. . .and attributes to ignorance of the Scriptures.

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

Or you don't understand what God's foreknowledge is.

In the NT, God's foreknowledge is of is own actions, not of the actions of men.
And God knows his own actions of the future, because he has decreed since before the foundations of the world what they would be.
(Ac 15:38, 2:23; 4:28, Is 48:3, Ro 8:29, 11:2, 2 Pe 3:17, Is 37:26, 45:21.

And your denial of the plain Biblical text which states that God chose the recepients of Peter's letter for salvation shows your own twisting of the verse, as Peter condemns in 2 Pe 3:16. . .and attributes to ignorance of the Scriptures.

Whenever you have to bombard with over 10 Bible verses, it's a clear sign you don't know what you're talking about. You know you don't have any clear verse to prove your view, so you have to pull out so many verses or some wall of text to make it look like you're right.

Maybe quote just one verse and then we talk.