Why "Absent From The Body" Does NOT Support Immortal Soul Doctrine

[Phoneman-777]

Verse by verse exposition in red of 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 KJV which explains why the Immortal Soul crowd's failure to recognize that Paul speaks of 3 options - not 2 - leads them to misquote and misunderstand verse 8, and wrongly conclude that the entire passage teaches the moment we cease to be alive down here, we're immediately alive in the presence of Jesus up there:

[1] For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
(We know if our mortal body returns to dust, God has reserved for us an immortal, resurrection body.)

[2] For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
(In our mortal body "clothes" we groan with desire to change into our resurrection body "clothes".)

[3] If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
(If our desire to change into our resurrection clothes is granted, we'll not be found naked without any clothes.)

BOTH CONTEXT AND COMMON SENSE MAKE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR
TO WHAT THIS "NAKED" STATE REFERS, AS SHOWN BELOW:

[4] For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
(While in our mortal body, we groan with desire to be done with life's burdens - not by resting in peace in the grave, lying naked, unclothed, without a body, dead, awaiting the resurrection - but for the eternal rest our immortal, resurrection clothes provide.)

NOTE: THOSE WHO INSIST "NAKED" AND "UNCLOTHED" HERE REFER TO THE "SPIRITUAL NAKEDNESS" OF BEING UNSAVED, LOST, SEPARATED FROM GOD, YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY CAUSING TO PAUL MAKE THE FOLLOWING STUPENDOUSLY ASININE STATEMENT:
"HEY GUYS, LIFE SUCKS IN THIS MORTAL BODY AND WE WANT RELIEF, BUT NOT THE RELIEF OF GETTING UNSAVED, LOST, SEPARATED FROM GOD...NO, WE WANT THE RELIEF THAT PUTTING ON OUR IMMORTAL, RESURRECTION CLOTHES PROVIDES."

A blind man can see the only way to remain contextually consistent, as well as demonstrate common sense, is to interpret "naked" and "unclothed" here as having nothing to do with being "spiritually lost" but as Paul plainly intended: the state of not wearing either a mortal or immortal body, resting in peace in the grave, lying naked, unclothed, without a body, dead, awaiting the resurrection.

[5] Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
(The same God Who bought for us our resurrection clothes with the Gospel also gives us assurance by His Spirit.)

[6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(We're always confident despite knowing while we're down here in our mortal body, we're not up there in our resurrection body.)

[7] (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
(By faith we must walk the Path of the Just)

AND FINALLY WE COME TO WHY A CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF "NAKED" AND UNCLOTHED" IS SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO PROPERLY UNDERSTAND WHAT VERSE 8 ACTUALLY SAYS, AND TO SEE THAT IT PROVIDES NO SUPPORT FOR IMMORTAL SOUL DOCTRINE AT ALL:

[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(We're confident in our promised resurrection clothes, and our preferencial desire is to immediately strip off these mortal clothes, skip resting in peace in the grave, lying naked, unclothed, without a body, dead, awaiting the resurrection, and go on to be present with the Lord in our resurrection, immortal clothes we get resurrection morning.)
Paul knew he wouldn't put on his immortal, resurrection clothes at death, but he himself says when he will in verse 10 - "For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ" - at the end of time "at the last trump" when "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" Paul says "this corruptible shall put on incorruption and this mortal shall put on immortality". "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is a misquote, distortion of Scripture. Upon such deception, sound Biblical doctrine needs no such reliance.

 

[BobRyan]

what the failed idea for immortal soul ( a term not found in the Bible) needed to have in vs 8 is
"to BE absent from the Body - IS TO BE - present with the Lord" -- which is the way it is often paraphrased when such a doctrine is needed.

Instead of that - the text actually says -
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

which allows for the THREE states of humanity already discussed in the previous verses of 2 Cor 5 as you noted.
1. IN this decaying tent
2. Naked -- with no tent... no body
3. Clothed with the 1 Cor 15 immortal body given at the resurrection.

 

[Phoneman-777]

what the failed idea for immortal soul ( a term not found in the Bible) needed to have in vs 8 is
"to BE absent from the Body - IS TO BE - present with the Lord" -- which is the way it is often paraphrased when such a doctrine is needed.

Instead of that - the text actually says -
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

which allows for the THREE states of humanity already discussed in the previous verses of 2 Cor 5 as you noted.
1. IN this decaying tent
2. Naked -- with no tent... no body
3. Clothed with the 1 Cor 15 immortal body given at the resurrection.

Amen, bro. I posted this on another site and the amount of people who insisted "absent from body is to be present with the Lord" but can't offer a Biblical explanation how "naked" and "unclothed" fits into the equation.

Some say the church of today is best known for being indistinguishable from the world -
I say it's best known for its historically distinctive ignorance of the Word.

 

[Blade]

Well if I die I go to be with the lord which is paradise since was it not Christ that said (today you will be with me in paradise). Now at that moment am I as Christ is? I do not believe so. This is where I leave. Well once someone I don't know is trying to tell me what Gods word is really saying. Sorry why would I believe you if you won't believe me? I think the word makes this clear as to no one has this right. To read Christ comes in the air dead rise we change go up with them. Wait so all are still in the grave? so much meat here

 

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[Phoneman-777]

Well if I die I go to be with the lord which is paradise since was it not Christ that said (today you will be with me in paradise). Now at that moment am I as Christ is? I do not believe so. This is where I leave. Well once someone I don't know is trying to tell me what Gods word is really saying. Sorry why would I believe you if you won't believe me? I think the word makes this clear as to no one has this right. To read Christ comes in the air dead rise we change go up with them. Wait so all are still in the grave? so much meat here

We must correctly quote Scripture to correctly interpret it.
"I say unto thee today shalt thou be with Me in paradise".

Punctuation was not in the original Greek and Hebrew
which is a crucial point.​

Therefore, the word "today" can modify the verb "shalt be" or the verb "say", and not necessarily "shalt be":

1) "I say unto thee --- today shalt thou be with Me in paradise."
(Jesus and the thief went to paradise that day)

2) "I say unto thee today -- shalt thou be with Me in paradise"
(Jesus making a promise that day which has future fulfilment at the coming of His kingdom)

You should know in the LXX, the word "today" (Gk: "semeron") modifies the verb it precedes only 50 times, but modifies the verb in follows a whopping 170 times, so the majority use of the word strongly points to "say" as the verb being modified.

 

[BobRyan]

what the failed idea for immortal soul ( a term not found in the Bible) needed to have in vs 8 is
"to BE absent from the Body - IS TO BE - present with the Lord" -- which is the way it is often paraphrased when such a doctrine is needed.

Instead of that - the text actually says -
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

which allows for the THREE states of humanity already discussed in the previous verses of 2 Cor 5 as you noted.
1. IN this decaying tent
2. Naked -- with no tent... no body
3. Clothed with the 1 Cor 15 immortal body given at the resurrection.

Well if I die I go to be with the lord which is paradise since was it not Christ that said (today you will be with me in paradise).

That's Luke 23 -- and there we find this (remember first century Greek had no punctuation)

Luke 23 - the request
"Remember me WHEN you come into your kingdom"

Luke 23 - the Response
"verily verily I say to you today - you SHALL be with Me in Paradise"|

Then in John 20 -- on resurrection Sunday we have "I have not yet ascended to the Father".

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There are only 3 texts in all of scripture for that teaching on Paradise

Luke 23 "you SHALL be with Me in Paradise"
2 Cor 12 "Paradise - is in the third HEAVEN"
Rev 2 "Tree of life is in Paradise"
Rev 22:1-3 "The throne of God is where the Tree of Life is"

Clearly if Christ had been to paradise that very day -- He would have been to the Throne of God before his resurrection in John 20 on Sunday

 

[BobRyan]

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Annihilationism is the teaching that the wicked are annihilated after death in hell or in the lake of fire - saying at that time the wicked cease to exist. Definition of ANNIHILATIONISM
However I think this thread is focused on a point in time where the saints, (the righteous) have experienced the first death (as in the case of the thief on the cross) and then what that means about the soul. I don't think it argues that the saints are annihilated and I don't think annihilationism claims the saints are annihilated

Sorry - I can't get this editor to show that the above text is mine.

 

[eleos1954]

We must correctly quote Scripture to correctly interpret it.
"I say unto thee today shalt thou be with Me in paradise".

Punctuation was not in the original Greek and Hebrew
which is a crucial point.​

Therefore, the word "today" can modify the verb "shalt be" or the verb "say", and not necessarily "shalt be":

1) "I say unto thee --- today shalt thou be with Me in paradise."
(Jesus and the thief went to paradise that day)

2) "I say unto thee today -- shalt thou be with Me in paradise"
(Jesus making a promise that day which has future fulfilment at the coming of His kingdom)

You should know in the LXX, the word "today" (Gk: "semeron") modifies the verb it precedes only 50 times, but modifies the verb in follows a whopping 170 times, so the majority use of the word strongly points to "say" as the verb being modified.

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We know from the book of Acts Christ Himself did not ascend to heaven "that day" (day of His crucifixion).

Barring a few exceptions all are waiting in a dormant sleep in the grave and will be resurrected when Jesus returns and taken to heaven. This is the first resurrection.

 

[keras]

3. Clothed with the 1 Cor 15 immortal body given at the resurrection.

Which we know from Revelation 20:11-15, does not happen until the end of the Millennium.
Proved by how it is then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

 

[BobRyan]

Which we know from Revelation 20:11-15, does not happen until the end of the Millennium.

Rev 20 says it happens in the first resurrection and is at the start of the Millennium

Rev 21 "Death is no more" has to do with the fact that the wicked suffer death in what Rev 20 calls the "Second death" - at the end of the Millennium.

For the righteous - death is no more at the first resurrection which is the event that 1 Cor 15 addresses - and is why Peter tells the church to "focuse your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ " --- i.e Rev 19.

 

[keras]

Rev 20 says it happens in the first resurrection and is at the start of the Millennium

Noting the verse would help. I assume you mean Revelation 20:4, where it says the martyrs killed during the Great Trib, will be raised back to life, or they lived again. This resurrection is not to immortality, they may die again, as Rev 20:5-6 says. Just the same as Lazarus and the other people resurrected; they all died again, but as their names are in the Book of Life, they will receive immortality at the GWT Judgment, Revelation 20:11-17

The idea of immortal people being in the Millennium, conflicts with much scripture and is simply illogical. ONLY after the Mill, in Eternity, will there be immortals.

 

[Clare73]

Amen, bro. I posted this on another site and the amount of people who insisted "absent from body is to be present with the Lord" but can't offer a Biblical explanation how "naked" and "unclothed" fits into the equation.

Naked and unclothed is the living (immortal) human spirit being with Christ without its body between death and the resurrection, when it will then be clothed with its resurrection body, but missing that body in the meantime because the human spirit is incomplete without its body.

Some say the church of today is best known for being indistinguishable from the world -
I say it's best known for its historically distinctive ignorance of the Word.

As demonstrated here. . .in not knowing that what was "naked and unclothed" was the immortal human spirit between death and the resurrection.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:

Rev 20 says it (resurrection of the saints - new body for the saints 1 Cor 15) happens in the first resurrection and is at the start of the Millennium

I assume you mean Revelation 20:4, where it says the martyrs killed during the Great Trib, will be raised back to life, or they lived again.

4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

There we see the resurrection of the "Blessed and holy" who are not subject to the second death , lake of fire, judgment of the wicked.

There is only one resurrection of the righteous and only one resurrection of the wicked in Rev 20.

Jesus speaks of those two resurrections in John 5
28 Do not be amazed at this; for a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

1 Thess 4:13-18 describes the resurrection of life in detail - no resurrection of the wicked there.
Matt 24:29-31 also describes it. - the resurrection that is unto life - takes places at Christ's appearing. Over these the second death has no power.

1 Cor 15 makes it clear that this is the point where the new body is given to the saints.

By contrast Rev 20 describes the resurrection of Judgment - this way.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

All the wicked will have already had their names blotted out of the book of life by then.
All in Rev 20:11-15 are judged "according to their deeds"
- and as we see in Rom 3:23 "All have sinned".... we also see Rom 6:23 "the wages of sin is death"

 

[keras]

There we see the resurrection of the "Blessed and holy" who are not subject to the second death , lake of fire, judgment of the wicked.

There is only one resurrection of the righteous and only one resurrection of the wicked in Rev 20.

You seem unable to see that Revelation 20:4-6 refers ONLY to the GT martyrs.
The resurrection of everybody happens at the GWT Judgment - AFTER the Millennium.

1 Cor 15 makes it clear that this is the point where the new body is given to the saints.

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a Prophecy about the final Judgment and it is only then, that the Book of Life is opened and immortality is given to those whose names are found in it. THEN comes Eternity, Revelation 21 to 22 and Death is no more.
You cannot say that any of this can happen before the end of the Millennium.

 

[BobRyan]

You seem unable to see that Revelation 20:4-6 refers ONLY to the GT martyrs.

It refers to all who are raised at His appearing as we see both in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and in Matt 24:29-31. All the saints. We also see this in John 14:1-3.

In John 5 Jesus lists only two resurrections - one for the saved and one for the lost.
Rev 20 the disciple John presents only two resurrections ... one for the saved and another "resurrection of judgment" after 1000 years

John looks into the future and sees the "FIRST RESURRECTION" which takes place at the start of the 1000 years (in Rev 20).
Peter says to fix your hope completely on that event in Rev 19 and its resurrection in Rev 20 -- the FIRST resurrection
Paul seeks to ATTAIN to that resurrection.
Jesus points to it in Matt 24:29-31 as THE focus of the church.

John records two resurrections: first here:

John 5: 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.​

And then here:

Rev 20:​

And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

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In John 5 the first resurrection is the "resurrection of life" and in Rev 20 "over these the second death has no power"​

In John 5 the second resurrection he lists is "the resurrection of condemnation", in Rev 20 it is judgment and the lake of fire.​

The entire Christian church is focused on the first resurrection as we see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Matt 24:29-31 - Peter says to fix our hope completely on that event --

1 Pet 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;​

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In Phil 3 Paul seeks to "ATTAIN to the resurrection" -- because there is only one resurrection for the righteous.

2 Thess 1 points to all the saints as those being persecuted by non-believers

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5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you indeed are suffering. 6 For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us, when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God, and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These people will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,​

Rev 20:
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

=============Why are saints described that way?

2 Tim 3: 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

Matt 10: 21 “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household!

32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

2 Thess 1:5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you indeed are suffering. 6 For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,

 

[BobRyan]

One resurrection of all the saved (the first resurrection) and one resurrection of all the lost (the second resurrection" as we see in Rev 20. So that is a total of two resurrections just as we see Christ stating in John 5. Not too surprising the John 5 and Rev 20 agree on that detail since they are written by the same Apostle.

 

[Clare73]

One resurrection of all the saved (the first resurrection) and one resurrection of all the lost (the second resurrection" as we see in Rev 20. So that is a total of two resurrections just as we see Christ stating in John 5. Not too surprising the John 5 and Rev 20 agree on that detail since they are written by the same Apostle.

Where does Jesus state two resurrections in John 5?
Unless he is referring to the new birth as the first resurrection (from spiritual death).

Two resurrections are not in agreement with NT apostolic teaching.

NT apostolic teaching specifically locates all of the final events in the last day:

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (John 6:39).
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurence,

the last day = resurrection = rapture = second coming = final judgment of sheep and goats (all mankind)

(and the resurrection being in the last day with the judgment of the sheep and goats--all mankind,
thereby making only one resurrection. . .of all mankind).

 

[BobRyan]

Where does Jesus state two resurrections in John 5?

John identifies two resurrections here:

John 5: 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.​

And then here:

Rev 20:​

And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

In John 5 the first resurrection is the "resurrection of life" and in Rev 20 "over these the second death has no power"
In John 5 the second resurrection he lists is "the resurrection of condemnation", in Rev 20 it is judgment and the lake of fire.

The entire Christian church is focused on the first resurrection as we see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Matt 24:29-31 - Peter says to fix our hope completely on that event --

1 Pet 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

 

[Clare73]

John identifies two resurrections here:

John 5: 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.​

But that's not two resurrections, that's two destinies at the same resurrection

And then here:

Rev 20:​

And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

That would be personal interpretation of prophetic riddles in contradiction to authoritative NT apostolic teaching of only one resurrection,
Biblically demonstrated in post #18.

My personal interpretation is that the "millennium" of Rev 20 is figurative of the church age, and the "first resurrection" is from spiritual death to eternal life in the new birth, over whom the second death (damnation) has no power.
This interpretation is not in contradiction to authoritative NT apostolic teaching of only one resurrection.

In John 5 the first resurrection is the "resurrection of life" and in Rev 20 "over these the second death has no power"
In John 5 the second resurrection he lists is "the resurrection of condemnation", in Rev 20 it is judgment and the lake of fire.

Which does not mean two different resurrections, in contradiction to NT apostolic teaching, but two different destines, eternal life and eternal death at one and the same resurrection.
And my interpretation does not contradict authoritative NT apostolic teaching.

The entire Christian church is focused on the first resurrection as we see in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Matt 24:29-31 - Peter says to fix our hope completely on that event --

Which is not a statement about the "first resurrection," but about the second coming.

1 Pet 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Which refers to the rapture at the second coming and final judgment.

Peter locates the rapture with judgment in 1Pe 1:5, and says (1 Pe 1:13) that our coming salvation (of Ro 8:18-23 and 1 Co 15:52-58) will be given to us when Jesus is revealed, which is the rapture at judgment (Lk 17:29-37, 2 Th 1:7-10, 2:1, 3, 8).

Peter also says (Ac 3:21) that Jesus must "remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything," which is the new heavens and new earth, the home of righteousness he tells us abut in 2 Pe 3:10-13; and which John tells us abut in Rev 21:1-4, where there is no death because it is eternity;
and which Isaiah tells us about in Isa 65:17ff, 66:22 (see Mt 19:28, Ro 8:20-23, 1 Co 15:51-55, Php 3:20-21, Col 3:4, 2 Th 1:10, 1Jn 3:2).
Note that Peter says there is no appearing of Jesus prior to (who must remain in heaven until) his coming to restore all things (2 Pe 3:3) at the end of time (Rev 21:1-4).