How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[YahuahSaves]

Pipp. You're going to end up getting in over your head very quickly. Maybe go to my "about" page here on CF, look through it from top to bottom and decide how you're going to respond next.

Moreover, don't assume that when I refer to "Reality being bigger than the Bible" that I'm not including God in that Reality. Maybe realize that I take some of my initial reflections and cues from Blaise Pascal, and also from about a hundred other philosophers and theologians ...

I can either be one of your greatest allies, or I can be one of your greatest challengers. It's your choice.

I see a lot of references to books on your profile. (Including your signature which is still someone else's words)

"If you want to be a real seeker of truth, you need to, at least once in your lifetime, doubt, as much as it is possible, in everything."
-- (Blaise Pascal)

Can you tell me in your own words: Do you believe the God of the bible is the truth? Do you believe the bible is inspired by him?

 

[YahuahSaves]

If you want to find people who think like
you. This is the wrong place to look.

Agreed. And is why I'm not looking here. I was referring to the site itself.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Why would God do that?

Refer to post #3,260

Do you deny that your example follows the pattern I described - a prayer unanswered, followed by a reason or excuse?

Yes. the truth is hard to find for someone always looking to discredit it.

Interesting - when I try it, i.e. click on a post from the main page, it always takes me to the post in its sub-forum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As I've mentioned way back in an earlier post, I didn't even check what forum the post was in and I didn't scroll to the top once on the page either. Don't worry I will never make such an error again.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I was taught (by Catholics) that Jesus is both the Son of God and God. It sometimes seemed they went out of their way to make it 'beyond understanding'...

I understand that now. Perhaps because I was only told such a thing as a child from my grandmother who converted from Catholicism to Christianity (in her view, Catholic wasn't truly Christian). in her 20s. I may have not understood since she also took a lot of her catholic teaching of her upbringing and misapplied it to Jesus. But she was also not born again. So, there you have it.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I suppose you think it's just as bad that I wear glasses then. God gave me imperfect eyesight, I shouldn't try to change what he deigned to give me!

Did you watch the testimonies?

Genesis 1:14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Isn't astrology the practice of reading the stars as signs?

For his purposes, not man's.

You are trying to paint this website as anti-Christian and pro-atheist, when that simply isn't true. You don't get to claim you're a victim just because people tell you they don't want to hear you proselytizing to them, particularly in a part of the forums that wasn't intended for that.

No I'm not. I was referring directly to a handful of atheists on this thread, not the entire site.

 

[SelfSim]

So your mother, who cared for your soul, took you to a priest, who cared for your soul, and you think this guy, who was doing his work, was "creepy"?

Its true that my mother cares about me. She's a bit flakey when it comes to souls though.
Interestingly, when her time comes, I'll probably arrange a Catholic funeral for her, though.

Could it just be that you're projecting his "creepiness" on to Jesus on the Cross, who died for your soul?

Look .. there's a lot of people, including several of his Apostels and disciples, who died arguably more miserable deaths at the hands of the Romans, after Christ's crucifixion. What makes his any more symbolic or worse than theirs?

The local priest's creepiness, as I think back, was due to his mumbling all this stuff to himself behind a half-curtain in a dimly lit box.
For goodness sake, if he wanted to project that image, or he was completely oblivious to that's what he was doing, that dude was to be avoided at all costs for doing that. Yet, we as kids were being to told it was the right thing to do regardless of his creepiness.
Time has shown that those kids who rolled over and dropped their concerns, ended up suing (winning) the Church, who covered up these dudes', creepy, secretive and damaging acts upon them.

I remember feeling angry, (and even perhaps jealous), for not even being aware of being able to be considered for the rank of an 'Altar boy'. Lol! Perhaps I just wasn't sufficiently attractive(?)

 

[YahuahSaves]

Good Sir,
Hypocrisy is an ugly color.

Good one J! you made me laugh

 

[2PhiloVoid]

This isn';t university.

It is for me. And if folks don't like that... ... ... well, phffff!

If you are going to communicate, then please communicate so the average person who has not studied this sort of thing at uni can understand it.

You're not an "average person," Kylie, so don't try to play that card with me. It doesn't work. Phhww! .... average? Seriously? Right. I suppose you'll try to tell me that you're "just a lil'o pianist." I don't buy that for a second!

Cosmogony - the study of how the universe came into being.

How is that not a question science can try to answer?

It doesn't matter. I'm not the one who's saying, "It's EITHER the Bible....or the Science Lab, suckas!!!"

No, that's not me.

You don't seem to get what I'm asking.

According to this guy, what did the authors of Genesis intend when they wrote it? Did they mena it literally? Did they mean it figuratively, or metaphoiricall? Did they mean it in some other way?> Why can't you just answer this question?

Why should I have any expectations about what it should mean? That would only serve to bias my opinion.

That's a Non-sequitur.

I'm not interested in what my opinion about what his position on the original intent of the Genesis authors is. I want to know what his position on the original intent of the Genesis authors is. My opinion contributes nothing to that.

Ok, Mrs. Poignant! Here's the sum: Conrad Hyers thought that Genesis 1 was intended by its author(s) to be understood in a non-literal, but Theologically relevant way, pertinent to the cultural and religious issues of that author's time ... For me, this statement says almost nothing since there's more to what he wrote in his book. But you wanted "brief and simple." There it is!

And yes, your opinion does contribute something to the process of educaton here. A priori opinion can shape the direction (and the willingess) of a person's inquiry. In this case, it's YOURS I'm referring to. So, yeah. Your Subjective opinion isn't nothing.

 

[Astrid]

Agreed. And is why I'm not looking here. I was referring to the site itself.

What are you looking for

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The idea of Humanity starting from two people who existed some 6000 odd years ago is one that can be tested.

Why not test it and see if what we find in the real world is consistent with that claim?

That's what I was just saying. I've ALREADY tested it, and I already can strongly surmise (via Science) that they didn't exist. So, existentially and conceptually, there's a WALL. Why are you telling me to test something I've already tested and found wanting? That makes no sense........

Are you paying attention to what I'm saying? You do know that I'm an Evolutionist, don't you?

That's like me saying, "Star Trek has been right about several things, so I'm just going to accept Star Trek as correct. Do I need to check every episode, every series?"

Ah, I see. So, you ARE willing to test each separate portion, chapter or book of the Bible in some relevant way? That's Awesome!

 

[YahuahSaves]

My 'awakening' came with realising I was making up sins to satisfy the creepy dude inside the confessional booth!
I sorted him out though .. I always made up ones that would only get me five 'Hail Marys' ('cause they resulted in a shorter 'sentence' than the 'Our Father ..' ones).

You made me laugh honestly, I would have been creeped out too... The whole idea of confession to priests is not what the bible says anyway. When Jesus died on the cross the veil was torn. That means by believing in him, we can now approach the throne of grace because Jesus is the bridge between heaven and earth.

Put simply, we are supposed to confess our sins directly to God in prayer.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I see a lot of references to books on your profile. (Including your signature which is still someone else's words)

Yes. You do.

"If you want to be a real seeker of truth, you need to, at least once in your lifetime, doubt, as much as it is possible, in everything."
-- (Blaise Pascal)

Yep. As Rene Descartes offered 'doubt' as a method, Pascal gave it a practical nod, too, but didn't agree with where Descartes went with it or as to how he did so ...

Can you tell me in your own words: Do you believe the God of the bible is the truth? Do you believe the bible is inspired by him?

Yes, I do believe the Bible is inspired, but........................ not without qualification. For me, though, it doesn't have to matter that I see the Bible as inspired in a different way than the typical bible-toting Baptist does.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Could it just be that you're projecting his "creepiness" on to Jesus on the Cross, who died for your soul?

Good point. I think as a child a catholic church would have truly creeped me out. Too much intense imagery for an undeveloped brain to process.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Look .. there's a lot of people, including several of his Apostels and disciples, who died arguably more miserable deaths at the hands of the Romans, after Christ's crucifixion. What makes his any more symbolic or worse than theirs?

Jesus took the sin of the world upon himself and the wrath of God the Father as well. His agony far exceeded his followers deaths.

Time has shown that those kids who rolled over and dropped their concerns, ended up suing (winning) the Church, who covered up these dudes', creepy, secretive and damaging acts upon them.

This has always been the problem with man-made religion.

I remember feeling angry, (and even perhaps jealous), for not even being aware of being able to be considered for the rank of an 'Altar boy'.

You escaped a trauma that many do not. You should think yourself very lucky.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good point. I think as a child a catholic church would have truly creeped me out. Too much intense imagery for an undeveloped brain to process.

Ya ... I remember when my Catholic girlfriend (now my wife) and I were dating, we went to her church for a Christmas Eve service.

Going down the aisle, she suddenly fell straight down, and I grabbed her.

She looked up at me and whispered, "I'm genuflecting. Let go."

 

[YahuahSaves]

What are you looking for

Fellowship and answers to questions from mature, experienced, believers.

 

[SelfSim]

You made me laugh honestly, I would have been creeped out too... The whole idea of confession to priests is not what the bible says anyway.

I can't recall clearly, but I think we were supposed to have learned that prior to the Holy Communion deal(?)
Either way, it didn't change the creepiness factor .. or the mortal punishment/sentence on the rosary beads.

The rosary beads were a laugh too! Mind you, they were absolutely vital though because the lack of interest always resulted in my losing track of how many Hail Marys/Our Fathers I'd recited. If one forgot, one was supposed to start all over again .. a punishment right up there with death itself!

When Jesus died on the cross the veil was torn. That means by believing in him, we can now approach the throne of grace because Jesus is the bridge between heaven and earth.

I don't understand all that gobbldygook stuff, there

Put simply, we are supposed to confess our sins directly to God in prayer.

Yes .. as mentioned above, I vaguely recall that's what it was all about .. again, all that mattered to me, at the time, was getting out of the creepiness and getting on with 'more important' stuff!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Fellowship and answers to questions from mature, experienced, believers.

I offer fellowship and answers. ... I might not always act like I'm 53 and experienced, but hey, y'know! Age is a number! At least, that's what I tell my wife.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yes, I do believe the Bible is inspired, but........................ not without qualification. For me, thought it doesn't have to matter that I see the Bible as inspired in a different way than the typical bible-toting Baptist does.

What's the problem on this thread with answering a direct question with a direct answer?

I asked: Do you believe the God of the bible is the truth? and do you believe the bible is inspired by him? They only really require a yes or no answer. (Especially if you don't want people to believe you're undecided).

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What's the problem on this thread with answering a direct question with a direct answer?

I asked: Do you believe the God of the bible is the truth? and do you believe the bible is inspired by him? They only really require a yes or no answer. (Especially if you don't want people to believe you're undecided).

Oh, my apologies. I did miss that first question, didn't I? Yes, I believe the Bible expresses God's Truth, but it does so through His People (i.e. His Church).

And select individuals who were either apostles or early disciples in His Church wrote much, if not most of, what we have collected and collated and named as the "New Testament."