How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[YahuahSaves]

Mind you, they were absolutely vital though because the lack of interest always resulted in my losing track of how many Hail Marys/Our Fathers I'd recited. If one forgot, one was supposed to start all over again .. a punishment right up there with death itself!

If the Catholic religious traditions were a serious part of Jesus ministry and the bible, I think it would have been extremely difficult for me to return to Christianity. I honestly don't blame those who leave it and never look back.

I don't understand all that gobbldygook stuff, there

That's OK. Maybe one day you will.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I offer fellowship and answers. ... I might not always act like I'm 53 and experienced, but hey, y'know! Age is a number! At least, that's what I tell my wife.

Thanks but I'm talking of the spiritual kind, not the philosophical kind of experienced... you commented on my thread about the true church and you quickly exited once you didn't have anything to offer.

 

[SelfSim]

Jesus took the sin of the world upon himself and the wrath of God the Father as well. His agony far exceeded his followers deaths.

Pfft!
I was reading the other day, (not sure of the accuracy of the story, mind you), one of his followers had his intestines wrapped around a windlass while he was still alive(?) Another was skinned alive!

This has always been the problem with man-made religion.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think the secrecy of things said in the confessional, might be because of the supposed direct involvement of the 'Almighty' being 'channelled' by the creepy dude during that ritual(?)

You escaped a trauma that many do not. You should think yourself very lucky.

Yep .. (needless to say).
In spite of my childhood memories, I still don't think poorly of the Catholic Church .. More like: I think with neutrally (and a lot of disinterest) about it and its various tenets.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yes, I believe the Bible expresses God's Truth through His People (i.e. His Church).

That was a vague answer. Do you believe in the God that is depicted in the bible or not?

 

[Kylie]

Did you watch the testimonies?

There's that double standard again.

It seems you think "God made me X, so I should accept it and try to be that way" only works in certain cases.

For his purposes, not man's.

And I suppose we should ignore the division of day from night and the seasons as well?

Because you are picking one thing and assuming that it is different from the other things mentioned, despite the fact that there is no reason or justification for you to do so.

No I'm not. I was referring directly to a handful of atheists on this thread, not the entire site.

So you conclude that the staff are letting atheists run amok in this thread? And they are allowing this because... reasons?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Thanks but I'm talking of the spiritual kind, not the philosophical kind of experienced... you commented on my thread about the true church and you quickly exited once you didn't have anything to offer.

What is it you would like me to clarify? That I grew up being taken to a Presbyterian U.S.A. church by my parents, or that when i committed myself to Jesus Christ, I did so in a Southern Baptist church? Or the later part where I had a stint and went to a Christian Church and one of their schools for a while yet now consider myself an Existential Trinitarian Inter-Denominational Christian?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Pfft!
I was reading the other day, (not sure of the accuracy of the story, mind you), one of his followers had his intestines wrapped anround a windlass while he was still alive(?) Another was skinned alive!

You don't understand the wrath of God in my statement. The Father poured out his wrath on Jesus for the sins of the whole world (that includes sins that you and I have committed.)

I'm not entirely sure, but I think the secrecy of things said in the confessional, might be because of the supposed direct involvement of the 'Almighty' being 'channelled' by the creepy dude during that ritual(?)

A lot of things are done apart from God.

 

[AV1611VET]

I might not always act like I'm 53 ...

You kids!

Straighten up and fly right!

 

[YahuahSaves]

What is it you would like me to clarify? That I grew up being taken to a Presbyterian U.S.A. church by my parents, or that when i committed myself to Jesus Christ, I did so in a Southern Baptist church? Or the later part where I had a stint and went to a Christian Church and one of their schools for a while yet now consider myself an Existential Trinitarian Inter-Denominational Christian?

I just want you to clarify if you honestly believe in the God as he is depicted in the bible and not beat around the bush when answering?

 

[SelfSim]

.. Straighten up and fly right!

References, please?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That was a vague answer. Do you believe in the God that is depicted in the bible or not?

Yes, but.....................I don't jump through hoops for anyone who demands I submit to their favorite denomination. And if people don't like that, I'll just throw a book by Kierkegaard at them.

 

[Kylie]

You're not an "average person," Kylie, so don't try to play that card with me. It doesn't work. Phhww! .... average? Seriously? Right. I suppose you'll try to tell me that you're "just a lil'o pianist." I don't buy that for a second!

All I'm asking for is clear communication. I don't generally come across the words you were using, so I had to go and look them up.

It doesn't matter. I'm not the one who's saying, "It's EITHER the Bible....or the Science Lab, suckas!!!"

Now you're just getting further away from what I asked you.

Does what's his name think:

1. Genesis is literal
2. Genesis is metaphorical
3. Genesis is some third option.

Is it 1, 2, or 3? And if 3, please go into more detail.

That's a Non-sequitur.

You are avoiding the issue.

Why are my opinions about someone else's position relevant to what their position is?

Ok, Mrs. Poignant! Here's the sum: Conrad Hyers thought that Genesis 1 was intended by its author(s) to be understood in a non-literal, but Theologically relevant way, pertinent to the cultural and religious issues of that author's time ... For me, this statement says almost nothing since there's more to what he wrote in his book. But you wanted "brief and simple." There it is!

So it he thinks it was metaphorical.

And what exactly was the theological relevance?

And yes, your opinion does contribute something to the process of educaton here. A priori opinion can shape the direction (and the willingess) of a person's inquiry. In this case, it's YOURS I'm referring to. So, yeah. Your Subjective opinion isn't nothing.

My opinion is meaningless when it comes to someone else's position.

Or are you suggesting that my opinion today is capable of altering Hyers' position in the past?

 

[Kylie]

That's what I was just saying. I've ALREADY tested it, and I already can strongly surmise (via Science) that they didn't exist. So, existentially and conceptually, there's a WALL. Why are you telling me to test something I've already tested and found wanting? That makes no sense........

Are you paying attention to what I'm saying? You do know that I'm an Evolutionist, don't you?

Okay, then we are in agreement.

Ah, I see. So, you ARE willing to test each separate portion, chapter or book of the Bible in some relevant way? That's Awesome!

Sure. Give me some specific claim, and I'll test it. Claims like "Egypt is a place", I'm happy to accept. Other claims, not so much.

Also, bear in mind, I've already tested much of the Bible, and found it wanting.

 

[YahuahSaves]

There's that double standard again.

It seems you think "God made me X, so I should accept it and try to be that way" only works in certain cases.

What are you on about? How is what you've just said have anything to do with the question?

And I suppose we should ignore the division of day from night and the seasons as well?

No. That's not "astrology".

Because you are picking one thing and assuming that it is different from the other things mentioned, despite the fact that there is no reason or justification for you to do so.

The bible (God) makes the distinction, not me.

So you conclude that the staff are letting atheists run amok in this thread? And they are allowing this because... reasons?

What do the staff have to do with my comment aimed at a few forum users on this thread? You are trying to put words in my mouth again. If you're trying to be my stumbling block it won't work. As I've said before: Mark 6:11

Have a nice life.

 

[Kylie]

What are you on about? How is what you've just said have anything to do with the question?

Because both of us are using the same argument structure.

When you use it, X means "being gay or trans."

When I use it, X means having flawed sight.

If you're going to say that a trans person should try to live according to the genitals they were born with, I'm going to say that a person with bad eyesight should try to live with the eyes they were born with.

And if a person with bad eyesight can turn to medical technology to get their vision closer to what they think it should be, then a trans person can turn to medical technology to get their body closer to what they think it should be.

No. That's not "astrology".

And why are you singling out astrology when there's nothing in the passage that says it is to be treated differently to the division of day and night, or the measuring of seasons?

The bible (God) makes the distinction, not me.

There's nothing in that passage that makes any such distinction.

What do the staff have to do with my comment aimed at a few forum users on this thread? You are trying to put words in my mouth again. If you're trying to be my stumbling block it won't work. As I've said before: Mark 6:11

Have a nice life.

Because you apparently think that the staff are turning a blind eye to atheist users mistreating Christian members in this thread. Why would they do that?

 

[Astrid]

Fellowship and answers to questions from mature, experienced, believers.

Odd place to look for like minded people, in a site
for people to question and challenge ill considered
beliefs with answers that don't fit comfy securities,
answers you won't like.

That's why I asked.

 

[Astrid]

God birthing Himself and than killing Himself to appease Himself because His creation didn't live up to His own high standards?

Seems weird to us here in the
Middle k.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I just want you to clarify if you honestly believe in the God as he is depicted in the bible and not beat around the bush when answering?

What kind of further clarification would you like beyond my giving you a "yes, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior"?

If that doesn't work, I could give my best attempt at a triple back flip. That's be impressive, I think!

 

[Astrid]

Agreed. And is why I'm not looking here. I was referring to the site itself.

Surely you know I'm referring to this thread,
this forum, not the section cordoned off for Christians only

 

[YahuahSaves]

If you're going to say that a trans person should try to live according to the genitals they were born with, I'm going to say that a person with bad eyesight should try to live with the eyes they were born with.

Is it scientifically possible for a person's DNA to change if they change their outward appearance? If you don't understand the brokenness of this world cannot be healed with science and medicine and only God can truly heal a person on a level unknown to us, then I cannot help you to understand.

And why are you singling out astrology when there's nothing in the passage that says it is to be treated differently to the division of day and night, or the measuring of seasons?

Astrology is not astronomy. It is a pagan belief and practice. It is humans worshipping idols (God's creation, instead of God himself). The scripture is clear.

Because you apparently think that the staff are turning a blind eye to atheist users mistreating Christian members in this thread. Why would they do that?

Words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. Insert my quote next time.