Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Frank Robert]

According to your book, why were they in there warring in the first place?

Or is this another question that will go unanswered?

Most wars are resource wars or as many Hebrews in Bible believed their duty to avenge God and or their nation. See: "God Will Avenge Us"

 

[AV1611VET]

Most wars are resource wars or as many Hebrews in Bible believed their duty to avenge God and or their nation.

So do you look forward to the day when Israel will turn the land over to its rightful owner?

 

[GenemZ]

Many believe that collapse is likely assured to happen, with the crash of civilization between 2030 and 2050 due to limits of a finite world plus climate change.

Actually, it will be revolutionary change taking place over night.

“See, I will create​

new heavens and a new earth.​

The former things will not be remembered,​

nor will they come to mind." Isa 65:17​

That new creation will be much like our present creation. One that will know nothing about there being a prehistoric world.
For, without the fossil evidence? We would be totally oblivious concerning our prehistoric creation. But, in our case. God wants us to know there was a prehistoric creation for those who enjoy regeneration

God created new worlds to replace old worlds to become as classrooms for teaching more advanced understanding to those alive within that new creation.

By the way.. You don't have to believe it. It does not depend upon your belief to make it reality when it will happen.

 

[Frank Robert]

So do you look forward to the day when Israel will turn the land over to its rightful owner?

You should not assume

 

[Kylie]

Interesting how natural forces work exactly how God intended and set it up.to be, including putting oil in the earth. You know science is discovering that even now oil is being renewed and it's not finite after all.

There is so much we dont know and do t understand. What make you think we really fully grasp that everything is how we predict it to be?

Interesting how you claim God made everything work in exactly the way it would work if he wasn't around at all.

 

[Frank Robert]

Actually, it will be revolutionary change taking place over night.

“See, I will create​

new heavens and a new earth.​

The former things will not be remembered,​

nor will they come to mind." Isa 65:17​

That new creation will be much like our present creation. One that will know nothing about there being a prehistoric world.
For, without the fossil evidence? We would be totally oblivious concerning our prehistoric creation. But, in our case. God wants us to know there was a prehistoric creation for those who enjoy regeneration

God created new worlds to replace old worlds to become as classrooms for teaching more advanced understanding to those alive within that new creation.

By the way.. You don't have to believe it. It does not depend upon your belief to make it reality when it will happen.

I am hard pressed to think of any reason that an all knowing deity would recreate a world with humans. Perhaps porpoises, humans would just repeat destroying another world.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is YEC a scientific theory?



I say no.

(from wikipedia) In various sciences, a theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a certain natural or social phenomenon, thus either originating from observable facts or supported by them (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations made that is predictive, testable, and has never been falsified.


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YEC does not correspond to that definition. It does seem to fit the definition of dogma:

(wiki again) Dogma is belief held by a religion to be authoritative


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Also, YEC fails to satisfy the 6 conditions:

(from wikipedia) A scientific theory...

1. is consistent with pre-existing theory to the extent that the pre-existing theory was experimentally verified, though it will often show pre-existing theory to be wrong in an exact sense,
2. is supported by many strands of evidence rather than a single foundation, ensuring that it probably is a good approximation if not totally correct,
3. has survived many critical real world tests that could have proven it false,
4. makes predictions that might someday be used to disprove the theory,
5. is tentative, correctable and dynamic, in allowing for changes to be made as new data is discovered, rather than asserting certainty, and
6. is the most parsimonious explanation, sparing in proposed entities or explanations, commonly referred to as passing Occam's Razor.

In conclusion, YEC has as much to do with science than science has to do with Gilgamesh (i.e. nothin).

As should be expected of any miracle.

 

[AV1611VET]

You should not assume.

Just wondering if you got that idea from one of your buddy's books.

 

[GenemZ]

That may well be your bottom line,
but it's awful shallow.

Hold out your hand.. Stare at it.

Now flex your fingers.

Random chance caused that to happen?

Personally, I would have to be naïve to think it did.

 

[GenemZ]

I am hard pressed to think of any reason that an all knowing deity would recreate a world with humans. Perhaps porpoises, humans would just repeat destroying another world.

Perhaps? Be hard pressed then?

The only reason you are hard pressed is because your keep projecting your own limited ability into being God.


“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isa 55:8-9

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yet another skeptic that believe science falsifies miracles.

Since when have miracles been deemed unprovable by science?

Miracle-a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency:

Oh yeah since they created the word miracle. Lol

 

[Astrid]

I get that. The issue is that evolution theory is a self fulfilling prophecy. The way it's built is everything is evolution. No matter what happens it's evolution even though it can't be shown it actually is. Evolution cannot be disproven because evolution can't be proven. They assume everything and therefore everything is evidence and they dismiss everyone else as not evidence. They can't show evolution actually happened the way they say. It can't be seen, it can't be tested and can't be reproduced. It's very convenient. It can't be seen in nature today, but we have evidence, it can't be tested, but we have evidence, it can't be reproduced, but we have evidence.

And no matter what the creationists say they have no evidence because I. The evolution from a common ancestor is true regardless of the fact it cannot not not will it ever be shown to be true. It's all assumptive and since it is it cannot be contradicted.

Creation has the same difficulty. Because no one can prove creation, because no one can test itz observe it or reproduce it. Evolution is in the same boat but it's accepted anyway.

The theory can't be disproven because it
cannot be proven.

This is such a total and withal weird
misconction of how science works, it
was clear the rest of the post was obviously
going to be utter twaddle.

Actually, it will be revolutionary change taking place over night.

“See, I will create​

new heavens and a new earth.​

The former things will not be remembered,​

nor will they come to mind." Isa 65:17​

That new creation will be much like our present creation. One that will know nothing about there being a prehistoric world.
For, without the fossil evidence? We would be totally oblivious concerning our prehistoric creation. But, in our case. God wants us to know there was a prehistoric creation for those who enjoy regeneration

God created new worlds to replace old worlds to become as classrooms for teaching more advanced understanding to those alive within that new creation.

By the way.. You don't have to believe it. It does not depend upon your belief to make it reality when it will happen.

Ha.

The scenario does depend on your belief.

Hold out your hand.. Stare at it.

Now flex your fingers.

Random chance caused that to happen?

Personally, I would have to be naïve to think it did.

That would be exactly as naive as your
weird notion that any sane person
thinks " random chance".

As a description of evolution, or
as a "common sense" way to discredit
it, it goes far beyond and below mere
naivite.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Miracles are just the way of looking at things. You look at an event and call it a miracle, and a scientist looks at it and goes, observation, prediction, hypothesis, experiment, repeat experiment, write report and distribute to peers for review.

And when all that fails, as it should, then the miracle still isn’t proven to be false it’s just considered to be false.

 

[BNR32FAN]

History shows that miracles are just phenomenon with explanations that are not known/understood at the time. Once an explanation is known then it is no longer a miracle. Science does this quite well.

On phenomenons that weren’t miracles, absolutely.

 

[GenemZ]

Ah, I thought there was something to
the word "understanding".
I know about "gap", a idea concocted
from ambiguity out of a book believed
by some to be infallible.
That it cannot be demonstrated to be accurate,
and is so thoroughly disproved has of course
been gone over many times here.
Hence my question about the odd usage
of the term " gap understanding".

Perhaps you could say what you mean
by "understanding" of a non event?

If you wish? Stay uninformed.

You will feel more comfortable with yourself around your peers that way.

The Book you speak of is found in many translations. As translated into your own language that the average person can read and just begin to understand. That? Will leave you in the lurch with various teachings.

If you really want to study? Learn on a university level? Here is someone who taught his church from the original languages. And, taught by invite to universities. Even by invite to MIT.

The page linked to has also other links revealing aspects to consider. R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries | Home

A professor of Ancient languages who at one time was associated with Harvard recommended that teacher to me.

grace and peace ........

 

[GenemZ]

The theory can't be disproven because it
cannot be proven.

This is such a total and withal weird
misconction of how science works, it
was clear the rest of the post was obviously
going to be utter twaddle.

Ha.

The scenario does depend on your belief.

That would be exactly as naive as your
weird notion that any sane person
thinks " random chance".

As a description of evolution, or
as a "common sense" way to discredit
it, it goes far beyond and below mere
naivite.

That was a bit defensive.

Please... stay rationale and deal with the reality of the complexity and how everything appears to be designed with a unique function. Random chance that biogenesis waves as its banner is not for the critical thinker. Its for the naïve.
Its "secular Sunday school."

 

[GenemZ]

The theory can't be disproven because it
cannot be proven.

This is such a total and withal weird
misconction of how science works, it
was clear the rest of the post was obviously
going to be utter twaddle.

Science is not that complex, though it may deal with specialized knowledge, and may appear that way for those who have no capacity to grasp the concept it may be working with.

 

[Astrid]

If you wish? Stay uninformed.

You will feel more comfortable with yourself around your peers that way.

The Book you speak of is found in many translations. As translated into your own language that the average person can read and just begin to understand. That? Will leave you in the lurch with various teachings.

If you really want to study? Learn on a university level? Here is someone who taught his church from the original languages. And, taught by invite to universities. Even by invite to MIT.

The page linked to has also other links revealing aspects to consider. R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries | Home

A professor of Ancient languages who at one time was associated with Harvard recommended that teacher to me.

grace and peace ........

University? Uninformed?
You believe in a world wide flood and
think I'm the one who needs an education?

 

[Astrid]

Science is not that complex, though it may deal with specialized knowledge, and may appear that way for those who have no capacity to grasp the concept it may be working with.

If its so simple and you know so much how
do you make such a pre- beginner mistake?

 

[GenemZ]

University? Uninformed?
You believe in a world wide flood and
think I'm the one who needs an education?

Interesting... That flood was not world wide as we know that to mean. It was designed to wipe out all the known evil men in the world at that time. It was restricted to the area of landmass that it was designed to destroy. That landmass was the entire earth inhabited by man. After all? Men had to be living close enough to hear the preaching of Noah in order to be warned to repent. God does not judge until after a soul rejects the truth.

Keep in mind, mankind was in his infancy at the time of the flood. Low population in numbers compared to today. Men were living together in an area that was not very large. Man did not scatter to populate the entire surface of the planet until after the flood ended. That flood (of Noah) was designed to wipe out evil mankind, where men lived, and needed to wipe out the indigenous animal life in that same area.

God had no reason to flood the earth in massive areas where man was not dwelling. For that flood was designed to destroy men who were evil. The indigenous animals that were destroyed were also to be preserved as to replenish the land after the flood subsided to reestablish the ecosystem afterwards.