NASA Scientists Present Theory About Why We Haven't Met Other Intelligent Life. It's Crushing.

[Larniavc]

I’d be more concerned an intelligent extraterrestrial life form could destroy the universe as well in the process of its self destruction.

At the current rate of development by 2150 particles colliders will exceed the centre of mass collision energies the universe can deliver through cosmic ray collisions.

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At some point beyond this threshold if our universe is in a false vacuum state, a collision between particles in a collider could push the universe out of its false vacuum into a lower (true) energy state through quantum tunneling in a process known as vacuum decay.
This could destroy the universe as described in this simplified explanation.

Given this is more in the realm of science fiction than science imagine if we dumb humans sometime in the not too distant future had the power of destroying the universe with the flip of a switch in activating a massively powerful particle collider.

That could have already happened. The lower vacuum state area would propagate at the speed of light and not have reached us yet.

 

[Larniavc]

We do know that the majority of scientists do not believe in the Bible.

Evidence please.

 

[Frank Robert]

According to the Bible, the majority of humans is as dumb as animals.

If that's the best conclusion NASA scientists can come up with only proves the Bible is right.

There are numerous contradictory beliefs so it should be obvious that most people are wrong.

 

[Shemjaza]

I tried to get into that some in post #28...

I truly hope you are right.

And a civilization that still has things being "too expensive" as still a part of them and on their mind maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

I meant expensive in resources available rather than just in symbolic tokens like money.

That said, if dyson swarms and star lifting is feasible then there's no real limit to how far we can reach... but it will still take a very loooong time.

 

[Neogaia777]

I meant expensive in resources available rather than just in symbolic tokens like money.

Most of what would be holding us back from doing something like I mentioned in post #28, if we could achieve it, and achieve it in time, etc, is mainly just only the "symbolic tokens" only, etc.

God Bless!

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

And maybe we could call it and Ark or a Lifeboat maybe, I don't know...?

God Bless!

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

 

[AV1611VET]

Light speed, warp speed, and going through wormholes etc. are all a products of science fiction.

Does that include the Einstein–Rosen bridges?

If so, since when did science get into the business of cranking out products of science fic...

On second thought, nevermind.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think the issue is the scale of the universe is that there could be billions of advanced species...

Serious question:

Does science have a genus set aside for these billions of species?

 

[AV1611VET]

So to me the real question isn't are we the only intelligent life in the universe. It's are we the only intelligent life in the universe that suddenly had an industrial revolution which lead to where we've been technologically for the last mere 150 years?

If that is the case -- (and I don't think it is) -- but if that is the case, we need to keep two things in mind:

1. Adam's sin affected the entire universe. So intelligent life elsewhere would be subject to the same technological limitations as we are.
2. I believe we would be much further advanced today -- (for example, have found a cure for cancer long ago) -- if we weren't so antiBiblical; and intelligent life elsewhere would probably be just as antiBiblical as we are, since those antiBiblical sentiments come from the same source.

 

[AV1611VET]

We are the blink of an eye, or the snap of a finger, in the scale of cosmic time compared to other species, etc, and considering they/you/me probably existed at many different various times...?

In your opinion, could dinosaurs exist on another planet today?

If so, then dinosaurs and humans co-exist in the universe, despite what scientists think, don't they?

 

[AV1611VET]

Some inventions depended on other inventions being developed before them, etc...

Some think -- (as do I) -- that science was progressing beyond the point that God intended it to progress.

So to stunt its growth, God confounded their languages at the Tower of Babel.

 

[atpollard]

Why We Haven't Met Other Intelligent Life

Occam's razor: There is none to meet.

 

[Neogaia777]

In your opinion, could dinosaurs exist on another planet today?

If so, then dinosaurs and humans co-exist in the universe, despite what scientists think, don't they?

What point are you trying to drive at here, etc...?

Animal life is pretty much forced to live in balance and harmony with it's environment, and most usually lacks the ability to destroy it, and that's why most of them are around for a whole heck of a lot longer than many other so-called more intelligent species, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Some think -- (as do I) -- that science was progressing beyond the point that God intended it to progress.

So to stunt its growth, God confounded their languages at the Tower of Babel.

Well, to the first "baloney", and no such thing, etc, and to the second, the advancements that the people, and that all of humanity, had/came to have, etc, at and after the Tower of Babel, etc, probably came from the original race or species of the Sons of God who were the original descendants of Adam and Eve, and who were the original and true Sons and Daughters of Adam and Eve, before the flood, but that were all but wiped out by the flood, right before that, etc...

I don't see how you can even believe in God the Father thinking that man could somehow become more advanced than He (God) originally thought of or intended, or could do or be or become something that He (God) might be or might become, or would be or might feel, etc, threatened by, etc, or else fear, etc...

I think God the Spirit before the flood in the OT became enraged/upset that His original, originally specially created race or class of beings, were interbreeding and intermixing (sexually) with the, a lot lesser race, or class, or species, of much lesser, only evolved from animal, beings, etc.

God Bless!

 

[AV1611VET]

What point are you trying to drive at here, etc...?

That science is myopic.

Animal life is pretty much forced to live in balance and harmony with it's environment, and most usually lacks the ability to destroy it, and that's why most of them are around for a whole heck of a lot longer than many other so-called more intelligent species, etc...

In your opinion, if that Chicxulub asteroid had not have hit the earth back then, would we be living alongside [non-avian] dinosaurs today?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

NASA scientists have explained in a new paper why they believe it’s likely we haven’t ever encountered intelligent extraterrestrial life — and it’s heartbreaking.

All intelligent life, they argue, has likely destroyed itself before reaching a sophisticated enough point in evolution to support such an encounter. And the same fate likely awaits humans unless we take action, they believe.

The “Great Filter” theory — as in “filtering out” various forms of life — argues that other civilizations, possibly several, have existed during the life of the universe. But they all destroyed themselves before they could make contact with Earth, noted the paper, “Avoiding the ‘Great Filter’: Extraterrestrial Life and Humanity’s Future in the Universe.”

...The scientists fear that all intelligent life, such as humans, have deeply ingrained dysfunctions that may “snowball quickly into the Great Filter,” they wrote.

“The key to humanity successfully traversing such a universal filter is… identifying [destructive] attributes in ourselves and neutralizing them in advance,” astrophysicist Jonathan Jiang and his coauthors wrote....

The trick, the biggest challenge of all, will be to work together to survive, the researchers said.

Check out the full paper here.​

In other words, they don't have a clue so they are just making things up.

 

[Neogaia777]

That science is myopic. In your opinion, if that Chicxulub asteroid had not have hit the earth back then, would we be living alongside [non-avian] dinosaurs today?

To the first, I disagree, and to the second, I don't care to speculate, but I think we would have came about either way, eventually, etc, but without the specially created class/race, I don't know if we would have advanced very much maybe originally, since we originally learned the beginnings of industry, and advanced agriculture, and language and writing, and certain ways of making and/or building, etc, etc, etc, mostly from Them primarily originally, etc, which set us on a "certain course" different and separate from animal after that originally, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, to the first "baloney", and no such thing, etc, and to the second, the advancements that the people, and that all of humanity, had/came to have, etc, at and after the Tower of Babel, etc, probably came from the original race or species of the Sons of God who were the original descendants of Adam and Eve, and who were the original and true Sons and Daughters of Adam and Eve, before the flood, but that were all but wiped out by the flood, right before that, etc...

I don't see how you can even believe in God the Father thinking that man could somehow become more advanced than He (God) originally thought of or intended, or could do or be or become something that He (God) might be or might become, or would be or might feel, etc, threatened by, etc, or else fear, etc...

I think God the Spirit before the flood in the OT became enraged/upset that His original, originally specially created race or class of beings, were interbreeding and intermixing (sexually) with the, a lot lesser race, or class, or species, of much lesser, only evolved from animal, beings, etc.

God Bless!

To the first, I disagree, and to the second, I don't care to speculate, but I think we would have came about either way, eventually, etc, but without the specially created class/race, I don't know if we would have advanced very much maybe originally, since we originally learned the beginnings of industry, and advanced agriculture, and language and writing, and certain ways of making and/or building, etc, etc, etc, mostly from Them primarily originally, etc, which set us on a "certain course" different and separate from animal after that originally, etc...

God Bless!

This was all in and according to God the Father's plan/plans originally, but was not what God the Spirit had in mind specifically originally, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Sorn]

There is no intelligent life out there (as in beings made of atoms living on other planets), because of the below:
The bible teaches that man was created and that he sinned after giving in to Satan's temptation.
However God, in his grace and mercy and love, who knew this would happen, made a way for man to be reconciled to Him again. This being by Jesus coming to earth to live a sinless life as a man and to die for our sins.
The bible teaches that a flesh existence is not how we are meant to live, we are meant to have far better bodies (of which Jesus has one now) which are in fact higher than the bodies of angels, therefore, the true place we should be living is in heaven (or the new earth and heaven, yet to come). These bodies also will not die or perish. In short we live in these material bodies while the time of testing and temptation exists.
Now Jesus died for us so we can be saved.
To be saved you need to hear the message of the Gospel, know who Jesus is , understand the message and accept / believe on him as your Savior.
Now Jesus only died once, he will not die again, He is now seated at Gods right hand (ie in heaven as 2nd in command and even better than he was before his life and death here.)
However he still has the wounds of the nails etc to show he was crucified and he will apparently have these for eternity.
Now, if there were intelligent life comparable to us on other planets, then :
1) if they sinned they have no way to be saved as Jesus will not die again and he did not die for them. It would be like someone saying to us that Gods Son went to live on another planet as some alien and lived a perfect life there and if you believe that he did that then you can share in his salvation, but the story of his life and death be set in alien worlds and cultures etc with not one shred of proof. Yet you'd still be expected to live a moral life because of it and even die because of it.
No religion does that and one should not expect any alien life to understand, believe or accept what they are told about some far of planet called Earth.
In short this position states that any aliens that sin don't have a way to get right with God again AND therefore God would not have created them if he knew He would not be able to save them if they sinned.
2) Further, if the assumption is that there are aliens but they have never sinned, then they would not experience death as God would not let them die, but rather they would already have entered eternity, ie be at least equal to angels and hence not need to dwell in this material universe.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.
It is broadly due to this line of reasoning that i say that as a Christian, my theology leads me to conclude that there is no other comparable intelligent carbon based mortal life anywhere else in this universe, other than possibly plant and animal life.

 

[Tinker Grey]

There is no intelligent life out there (as in beings made of atoms living on other planets), because of the below:
The bible teaches that man was created and that he sinned after giving in to Satan's temptation.
However God, in his grace and mercy and love, who knew this would happen, made a way for man to be reconciled to Him again. This being by Jesus coming to earth to live a sinless life as a man and to die for our sins.
The bible teaches that a flesh existence is not how we are meant to live, we are meant to have far better bodies (of which Jesus has one now) which are in fact higher than the bodies of angels, therefore, the true place we should be living is in heaven (or the new earth and heaven, yet to come). These bodies also will not die or perish. In short we live in these material bodies while the time of testing and temptation exists.
Now Jesus died for us so we can be saved.
To be saved you need to hear the message of the Gospel, know who Jesus is , understand the message and accept / believe on him as your Savior.
Now Jesus only died once, he will not die again, He is now seated at Gods right hand (ie in heaven as 2nd in command and even better than he was before his life and death here.)
However he still has the wounds of the nails etc to show he was crucified and he will apparently have these for eternity.
Now, if there were intelligent life comparable to us on other planets, then :
1) if they sinned they have no way to be saved as Jesus will not die again and he did not die for them. It would be like someone saying to us that Gods Son went to live on another planet as some alien and lived a perfect life there and if you believe that he did that then you can share in his salvation, but the story of his life and death be set in alien worlds and cultures etc with not one shred of proof. Yet you'd still be expected to live a moral life because of it and even die because of it.
No religion does that and one should not expect any alien life to understand, believe or accept what they are told about some far of planet called Earth.
In short this position states that any aliens that sin don't have a way to get right with God again AND therefore God would not have created them if he knew He would not be able to save them if they sinned.
2) Further, if the assumption is that there are aliens but they have never sinned, then they would not experience death as God would not let them die, but rather they would already have entered eternity, ie be at least equal to angels and hence not need to dwell in this material universe.

Lastly, the bible says that when Jesus 1000 year reign is over, some time after that the heavens and earth will be rolled up and replaced with new heavens and earth. This is saying that this universe exists as long as Gods plan for man is in operation, once the fullness of salvation has come to mankind, then this universe is replaced with the eternal heavenly universe and creation.
It is broadly due to this line of reasoning that i say that as a Christian, my theology leads me to conclude that there is no other comparable intelligent carbon based mortal life anywhere else in this universe, other than possibly plant and animal life.

The Bible is wrong about a lot of things.