The great White Throne judgment has not happened yet. Our sins were judged at the cross. We were crucified with Christ, Galatians 2:20.-God has judged sin, that is over and done with.
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The great White Throne judgment has not happened yet. Our sins were judged at the cross. We were crucified with Christ, Galatians 2:20.-God has judged sin, that is over and done with.
The great White Throne judgment has not happened yet. Our sins were judged at the cross. We were crucified with Christ, Galatians 2:20.
Does God love all of the people of the world? Not according to Paul.
Some are predestined for heaven... ...and others are predestined for hell:
Romans 8:29-30... ...Romans 9:18-21 [21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:22-29 are the "What if scriptures" It is not what God does. John 3:16 says that "God so loved the world".
Unbelievers don't have works that God will accept. Those at the Great White Throne died in their sins. I agree that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, but nothing is ours until it is received by faith. There is no need to check the books. The Lord knows who are his.There is no judgment for sin at the great white throne. The unbelievers there are being judged for their works, to establish their position in the lake of fire. There is one last look to see if they are in the book of life, i am sue at the unbelievers request. Because they may still be thinking that their works were good enough to get them in the book.
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
We either believe the Gospel or we don't. If we don't then we are anathema.It looks like you want Paul's anathema for quoting what he didn't write. I notice Paul's people doing this all the time, but calling down anathemas on the circumcision for not following what Paul wrote to the gentiles. Which word of Galatians 1:8 don't you understand?
Unbelievers don't have works that God will accept. Those at the Great White Throne died in their sins. I agree that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, but nothing is ours until it is received by faith. There is no need to check the books. The Lord knows who are his.
Unbelievers don't have works that God will accept. Those at the Great White Throne died in their sins. I agree that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, but nothing is ours until it is received by faith. There is no need to check the books. The Lord knows who are his.
I don’t know where you come up with this stuff. No one can keep the law. Everyone who has tried has failed except for One Man. None of the passages you’ve mentioned here have anything to do with Jesus’ message to Nicodemus in John 3. The same message “and WHOSOEVER that believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life” refers to everyone both Jews and Gentiles. The judgement mentioned in John 3 refers to the judgement of the inhabitants of the earth not the earth itself because He specifically said “he who believeth is not judged but he who hath not believed is judged already. In every single reference to the word “world” He is referring to people not the actual planet earth.
Eternal Life is received the moment of faith in The Messiah (Jesus). A person does not have to wait to see if they believed.
You want Paul's anathema for quoting what he didn't write? I notice Paul's people doing this all the time, but calling down anathemas on the circumcision for not following what Paul wrote to the gentiles. Which part of Galatians 1:8 don't you understand?
We either believe the Gospel or we don't. If we don't then we are anathema.
Gentiles don't even believe their own apostle: even Paul says that certain behaviors won't inherit the kingdom.
"Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."--Aleister Crowley, satanist.
No one will be saved or justified by their works, Romans 4:5. If that is what your church is teaching get out.Then I guess that makes you anathema... because you're quoting what Paul didn't write... from the very gospel that teaches the Holy Spirit is given because of works, John 14:15-17... ... against Galatians 3:2.
It's pretty sad when a circumcision-person knows more Pauline Theology than at least one gentile does.
Eternal Life is received the moment of faith in The Messiah (Jesus). A person does not have to wait to see if they believed.
Gentiles don't even believe their own apostle: even Paul says that certain behaviors won't inherit the kingdom.
Inherit in The Bible means exactly as it means in everyday life. that is as a son or daughter may inherit possessions from their family. That is the meaning in The Bible, making inherit connected to a believers rewards from God the believers father. It would be enter The Kingdom if a passage was speaking about getting into The Kingdom.
Then I guess that makes you anathema... because you're quoting what Paul didn't write... from the very gospel that teaches the Holy Spirit is given because of works, John 14:15-17... ... against Galatians 3:2.
It's pretty sad when a circumcision-person knows more Pauline Theology than at least one gentile does.
No one will be saved or justified by their works, Romans 4:5. If that is what your church is teaching get out.
That is why I don't go to the organized church.What makes you think the circumcision should be following Paul? Seriously.
1 Corinthians 4:15 and Ephesians 4:11 "ten thousand teachers"..."pastors and teachers"
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Matthew 23:8-10 and John 10:1-16 "one teacher"..."one shepherd"
Can someone "go to church" but avoid "pastors", "teachers", "fathers" and "rabbis"?
John didn't write to the gentiles, because he was sent only to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, too.
But the people who want to create unity are doing so at the expense of the truth.
Ok, so I wrote a lengthy response, which was also a bit repetitive, and I can post it if you’re interested but I thought I’d sum things up here either way.Here's the post. The sentence I quoted was at the bottom of it. My question concerned Protestant charges against Catholic "works salvation". I think you've answered it. I'll read on.
What is Saving Faith?
I see the charges of "works" being filed already.
This is a little unclear re: "regenerate". You're saying:
- The new birth is not before anything else, like faith for example? Anything else?
- The new birth takes place over time?
Are you speaking experientially "intact" and not about the declaration of righteousness (justification/ acquittal)?
We seem to share a similar experience regarding the "shallowness and confusion", and I'll add "error and broad disagreements", but it did not drive me to Catholicism. It simply drove me to an island and into the Text after obtaining some learnedness in mainly Greek exegesis. I left the island after 16 years of studies but remain in the Text as a "Christian".
I fully understand what you mean by "actually taught". It's one of the reasons I flagged you for your thoughts on the referenced post. Having been in Protestantism for a while, you have likely shared the routinely and openly expressed anti-Catholic focus within Protestantism. We can see a pretty typical example of that being expressed in some of these threads.
At this point I'm only concerned with what we - from whatever ism - know, understand, reference & interpret from God's Word. His Word, His Spirit, He is the Truth. All else as they say is translation (and a few other things).
And herein lies much of the never-ending debates.
I guess the question is whether the [Roman Catholic] church resolves this or seeks to resolve this. Also, I think within each group there are those who are involved in a "head-on" addressing of the issues. There are also some outside (to whatever degree) of groups working to address things head-on. Eventually, no matter the group, they have always been opposed. He's been opposed for as much time as we're informed of (and likely beyond) so what else can we expect?
Thank you for your thoughts. They are routinely appreciated.
I don't see much light shining through anyone. What I see is a lot of religious Gospel rejecters trying to save themselves.
That is why I don't go to the organized church.
No one will be saved or justified by their works, Romans 4:5. If that is what your church is teaching get out.