Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[SabbathBlessings]

You're always harping on how the 10 commandments are etched in stone, written by the finger of God, given a prominent place in the Ark of the Covenant, etc., etc. Yet...because you refuse to understand scriptures in their context you forget important items, such as what Jesus said where the two greatest commandments upon which all the OT scriptures turn, i.e. the Law and the Prophets. And you forget that Paul did not place himself under the old covenant of Law but rather under the Law of Christ. And perhaps you have even forgot that keeping the Law of Moses cannot save anyone!

And, yes, the 10 commandments were very important to Jesus. They were so important to him that he came into this dark, forlorn world under the Law so that he could do something none of us can do: Keep God's commandments perfectly 24/7. Only he fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

I see a lot of opinions, not backed by scripture.

Jesus did fulfill the law as He showed us the example of how to live and overcome sin, not so we could continue in sin- He came to save us from our sin, not in them. Matthew 1:21. We are told to follow Him and His example. 1 John 2:6 There is no scripture that says we can break God's commandments even in the New Testament, but instead His faithful saints keep the commandments of God Revelation 14:12. God laws were not deleted in the NT, but God wrote them in the hearts and minds and those who are in Him keep them and are His people. Hebrews 8:10. Paul was one of God's people which is why he also kept the commandments of God and said it is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 and pointed to the 10 to define sin. Romans 7:7

And regards to this statement: And perhaps you have even forgot that keeping the Law of Moses cannot save anyone!

We are not saved by law-keeping- we are saved by grace through faith. Those with faith, keep the law Romans 3:31 Revelation 14:12 because they have been transformed through His Spirit so we can and want to keep His commandments. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

I'd be careful about saying we don't need to keep the law of Moses according to New Covenant scriptures.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Cornelius8L]

2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at the face of Moses because of its fleeting glory, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more in glory? [Ref: Exodus 34:28-30]​

The ministry of death also points to the Sabbath commandment as there was no death related to the seventh day before this commandment. (Numbers 15:32-36)

Misunderstanding the commandment is as good as breaking them, all the more by teaching them (Matthew 5:19). One does not murder but hates his brother is as good as breaking the 6th commandment. NT told us the Sabbath commandment changed. Not that we cannot find this instruction in the scripture, but some deny them.

Add: even if Isaiah 66:23 is not a parable, Revelation 22:5 says there is only one day in the new heaven, the ultimate rest. One sabbath after another in Isaiah 66:23 is just one type of day repeating itself if the rest is eternal. Otherwise, Isaiah contradicts Revelation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A liar will say that 2 Corinthians 3:7 is not stating the decalogue. A deceiver preaches it.

2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at the face of Moses because of its fleeting glory, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more in glory? [Ref: Exodus 34:28-30]​

The ministry of death also points to the Sabbath commandment as there was no death related to the seventh day before this commandment. (Numbers 15:32-36)

Misunderstanding the commandment is as good as breaking them, all the more by teaching them (Matthew 5:19). One does not murder but hates his brother is as good as breaking the 6th commandment. NT told us the Sabbath commandment changed. Not that we cannot find this instruction in the scripture, but some deny them straight to the face of GOD in the testimony of two and three, and still expect to see God when He comes.

Add: even if Isaiah 66:23 is not a parable, Revelation 22:5 says there is only one day in the new heaven, the ultimate rest. One sabbath after another in Isaiah 66:23 is just one type of day repeating itself if the rest is eternal. Otherwise, Isaiah contradicts Revelation.

No one said Cor 2:3-7 is not about the Ten Commandments, just people use it out of context.

The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and points right to the Ten when breaking Romans 7:7

If you are living by the Spirit, which is greater than the letter there is no condemnation. The Ten just point out what is sin so we know what not to break. If in Christ one would be obeying and there is no condemnation to those who are living by the Spirit which is subject to the law of God.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Doran]

I see a lot of opinions, not backed by scripture.

Jesus did fulfill the law as He showed us the example of how to live and overcome sin, not so we could continue in sin- He came to save us from our sin, not in them. Matthew 1:21. We are told to follow Him and His example. 1 John 2:6 There is no scripture that says we can break God's commandments even in the New Testament, but instead His faithful saints keep the commandments of God Revelation 14:12. God laws were not deleted in the NT, but God wrote them in the hearts and minds and those who are in Him keep them and are His people. Hebrews 8:10. Paul was one of God's people which is why he also kept the commandments of God and said it is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 and pointed to the 10 to define sin. Romans 7:7

And regards to this statement: And perhaps you have even forgot that keeping the Law of Moses cannot save anyone!

We are not saved by law-keeping- we are saved by grace through faith. Those with real faith, keep the law Romans 3:31 Revelation 14:12 because they have been transformed through His Spirit which is given to those who obey. Acts 5:32, John 14:15-18

I'd be careful about saying we don't need to keep the law of Moses according to New Covenant scriptures. (emphasis mine)

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Well then since you insist that all 637 (or so) commandments in the Law of Moses are still valid in this New Covenant dispensation, how do you obey all the ceremonial laws? All the civil laws? All the dietary laws? Do you obey them all and obey them perfectly? After all, if you love Jesus you would have to, right?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well then since you insist that all 637 (or so) commandments in the Law of Moses are still valid in this New Covenant dispensation, how do you obey all the ceremonial laws? All the civil laws? All the dietary laws? Do you obey them all and obey them perfectly? After all, if you love Jesus you would have to, right?

I don't see anywhere the civil laws or dietary laws ended. The ceremonial/ordinances did according to clear scripture Eph 2:15, Colossians 2:14-17 Hebrews 10 because they pointed to Jesus who became our sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification when we confess our sins (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7) and repent (have a changed heart) turn from sin and walk with Christ in His Spirit which is obedient to His laws. Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32, John 14:15-18

 

[Icyspark]

God put “Therefore,” to focus on the next statement. God blessed the day because He rested, not because He created the heaven and earth during the six days. "Remembering" is on that day he rested, not work. Genesis 2 never asks us to remember anything. Exodus 20 asks us to remember Genesis 2’s rest, “Remember the Sabbath day.” Not “Remember the creation days.”

Hi Cornelius8L,

That's not how "therefore" works. You might want to consult a dictionary before you contest someone's point if you don't know what the word really means.

Definition of therefore
1 a: for that reason : CONSEQUENTLY
1 b: because of that
1 c: on that ground

2: to that end​

So no, it doesn't "focus on the next statement," it focuses on what was said previously . . . as I said.

Exodus 20 relates: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

You're not only trying to refocus attention forward instead of backward but at the same time attempting to go backward as well in claiming the "therefore" is directed at the resting of God. So which is it? Why are you making such an extreme effort to take the focus off the Creator and redirecting it to something else?

Are those who reject God’s creation in the first book of the Bible true believers? I don’t think so

There will be many people who think they are true believers but who end up on the outside looking in, crying out "Lord, Lord!" only to hear Him reply, "I never knew you."

God did not create human beings to work. The Garden of Eden was well-created, with no thorns and thistles (Genesis 3:18), and auto-watered (Genesis 2:6). Cultivating plants in such a Garden of Eden conditions is just a retiring old man's hobby, bonsai-ing, but Adam is not old. Work is a curse because of Adam’s sin (Genesis 3:17). From the beginning, God never set instructions for the seventh day. It came much later. What we are doing is enjoying the Sabbath the way not bound by the law. You, however, want to bind others with unnecessary instructions.

Incorrect. God created humans to work. Have you not read in the Scriptures, "The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." You don't get to be dismissive of the explicit "work" assigned to Adam as being "just a retiring old man's hobby," just because it doesn't fit in with your misconceptions about the Sabbath.

I find it interesting that people insist on seeing an explicit command for the Sabbath in Genesis, as if the Genesis 2:1-3 account isn't explicit enough for them to reach a proper conclusion. God doesn't need to rest, but humans do. God doesn't need to bless a day for Himself, but the humans He created need this blessing. God doesn't need to make a day holy for Himself, but humans need this holy day as a weekly tithe of their time to spend it solely with their Creator God. Jesus very plainly, very clearly said, "The Sabbath was made for human beings," but for those who insist on a command to observe it in Genesis they are making Jesus's declarative statement meaningless.

But let's just consider if you are willing to be equally dismissive of God's laws in light of when they were implemented. Did God wait to condemn murder until the first murder had been committed? Or rather, did Cain know murder was a "sin" without there being a recorded command being given by God to His creatures? The fact is there was no recorded command forbidding murder yet Cain knew it was a "sin." Not only that but God told Cain that he needed to be master over his desire to sin (see Genesis 4:7). How'd he know this and how are you willing to accept that he knew this without a previously recorded command? If you can't find any previously revealed command then honesty, integrity and reality demand that you release your insistence that the Sabbath be held to a standard higher than murder.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Bob S]

If indeed God made the Sabbath for all creation, why is it, He stopped with Israel?

 

[Cornelius8L]

Hi Cornelius8L,

That's not how "therefore" works. You might want to consult a dictionary before you contest someone's point if you don't know what the word really means.

Definition of therefore
1 a: for that reason : CONSEQUENTLY
1 b: because of that
1 c: on that ground

2: to that end
So no, it doesn't "focus on the next statement," it focuses on what was said previously . . . as I said.

Exodus 20 relates: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

You're not only trying to refocus attention forward instead of backward but at the same time attempting to go backward as well in claiming the "therefore" is directed at the resting of God. So which is it? Why are you making such an extreme effort to take the focus off the Creator and redirecting it to something else?



There will be many people who think they are true believers but who end up on the outside looking in, crying out "Lord, Lord!" only to hear Him reply, "I never knew you."

Hi Icy, that will be true if we read the text without its overall context.

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.​

The context begins with instruction, how it should be done, quoting references, and concludes using “therefore” to emphasize the instruction, which is not “remember the Sabbath day and the six days of creation.”

[An analogy] God needs no physical house (Acts 7:48-50), but men insist on one for Him that causes the life of Jesus later (Matthew 26:61). So, do you think God needs us to do more than what was told (Romans 1:20)? –the error of the Pharisees Jesus rebuked. He rebukes those who impose unnecessary burdens (Mathew 23:4).

Incorrect. God created humans to work. Have you not read in the Scriptures, "The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." You don't get to be dismissive of the explicit "work" assigned to Adam as being "just a retiring old man's hobby," just because it doesn't fit in with your misconceptions about the Sabbath.

God created human beings to work, but it was not to be an unending, ceaseless toiling.

I was responding to your definition of work, “toiling.” Sorry if it was not clear enough. Anyway, why not use Jesus’ definition of “work,” releasing an animal to drink (Luke 13:15), pulling an animal from a pit (Matthew 12:11), or believing Him (John 6:29)? Does Adam grows trees or God asking them to grow and wither in the Garden as Jesus did? So, tell me, is this not easier than an old man’s hobby, which Jesus also categorized as “work”? My understanding of the Sabbath allows us to do all these, which is the work men do in the Garden. There is no toiling before they are cursed.

I find it interesting that people insist on seeing an explicit command for the Sabbath in Genesis, as if the Genesis 2:1-3 account isn't explicit enough for them to reach a proper conclusion. God doesn't need to rest, but humans do. God doesn't need to bless a day for Himself, but the humans He created need this blessing. God doesn't need to make a day holy for Himself, but humans need this holy day as a weekly tithe of their time to spend it solely with their Creator God.

We never fail to have someone adding tradition to God’s words in every era. Genesis 2:1-3 never gives instructions, and this reflects the NT Sabbath. Both OT and NT say God’s rest is creation-rest, and Jesus confirmed God is working on the Sabbath (John 5:17, Psalms 89:9, Matthew 5:45). Do priests rest on the Sabbath? No. Did God miss out on the priests when He set this Sabbath commandment? I don’t think so. You bore the idea of spending a day wholly for God using tradition, but NT priests work with God every day, even in the corporate world, like how the past good Israel kings spent their lives working with God in many ways - We royal priests (1 Peter 2:9).

Jesus very plainly, very clearly said, "The Sabbath was made for human beings," but for those who insist on a command to observe it in Genesis they are making Jesus's declarative statement meaningless.

Jesus made this statement explicitly for people who teach unnecessary traditions, saying we cannot do this and must do that. Sabbath does not judge men in NT as it does not judge priests in OT. Are not some still using Sabbath to judge others?

But let's just consider if you are willing to be equally dismissive of God's laws in light of when they were implemented. Did God wait to condemn murder until the first murder had been committed? Or rather, did Cain know murder was a "sin" without there being a recorded command being given by God to His creatures? The fact is there was no recorded command forbidding murder yet Cain knew it was a "sin." Not only that but God told Cain that he needed to be master over his desire to sin (see Genesis 4:7). How'd he know this and how are you willing to accept that he knew this without a previously recorded command? If you can't find any previously revealed command then honesty, integrity and reality demand that you release your insistence that the Sabbath be held to a standard higher than murder.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

I remember seeing this discussion somewhere but let me share my input. When was the concept of death first discussed in Genesis? It was in the Garden (Genesis 2:17). Where and how did humans experience the first death? It was through God killing an animal for humans’ clothing (Genesis 3:21). Do humans understand the meaning of death? Yes, Abel has been killing animals for sacrifices (Genesis 4:4), and they know death is not good as per God’s message (Genesis 2:17).

Adam knows what sin is as he hid, for fear involves punishment (1 John 4:18), and his conscience bear witness (Romans 2:15). If Cain was not afraid and not acted against his conscience, why did he not lay Abel’s dead body like other animals Abel killed but hid his corpse in the ground (Genesis 4:10)? To answer your question. All unrighteousness we hide away from God is sin (1 John 5:17). Humans in Genesis know it, and their hearts bear witness. This is the concept of sin at the beginning, with which NT aligns it later. Now, if the law asks for life for a life (Deuteronomy 19:21), why didn’t God kill Cain but shield him instead (Genesis 4:15)?

May the wisdom of God be with us

 

[JulieB67]

The thing that's gotten so crazy with the Sabbath debate is that the Sabbath was created for "rest" after 6 days of labour. It was not created to tell us which day we go to church and worship God. That's adding to the bible. Anyone can worship at any time and on any day. And we should be worshipping God/Christ every day.

And today we should put our rest/Sabbatimos in Christ every day 24/7. That's what remained, not the weekly Sabbath, which is the word Sabbaton -huge difference. Many people can't even go to church on either day instead they are on call 24/7, doctors, nurses, paramedics, police and the list goes on. Again, this is not about which day one should go and worship but many people have made it so.

Sabbatimos -Greek word 4520 a sabbatis i.e, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest. That's from the Strong's. We can continue to put in other definitions that say "a sabbath keeping" but it's still not going to change this definiton or the actual word below that does mean the day of weekly repose.

Sabbaton Greek word 4521 the Sabbath or day of the weekly repose from secular avocations. - This is not what remained no matter how many people define Sabbatimos that way. Sabbatimos is used one time like this in Hebrews 4.

If there remained a "keeping of the Sabbath, Sabbaton would have been used not Sabbatimos.

It all boils down are we going to believe the scriptures or someone outside of the scriptures. I choose the scriptures.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The thing that's gotten so crazy with the Sabbath debate is that the Sabbath was created for "rest" after 6 days of labour. It was not created to tell us which day we go to church and worship God. That's adding to the bible. Anyone can worship at any time and on any day. Today we should put our rest/Sabbatimos in Christ every day 24/7. That's what remained, not the weekly Sabbath, which is the word Sabbaton -huge difference. Many people can't even go to church on either day instead they are on call 24/7, doctors, nurses, paramedics, police and the list goes on. Again, this is not about which day one should go and worship but many people have made it so.

Sabbatimos -Greek word 4520 a sabbatis i.e, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest. That's from the Strong's. We can continue to put in other definitions that say "a sabbath keeping" but it's still not going to change this definiton or the actual word below that does mean the day of weekly repose.

Sabbaton Greek word 4521 the Sabbath or day of the weekly repose from secular avocations. This is not what remained no matter how many people define Sabbatimos that way. Sabbatimos is used the only time like this in Hebrews 4.

If there remained a "keeping of the Sabbath, Sabbaton would have been used not Sabbatimos.

It all boils down are we going to believe the scriptures or someone outside of the scriptures. I choose the scriptures.

Well if you are just going to go by scriptures, the Sabbath is the day to keep holy.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

We rest from our work so we can keep the Sabbath holy. It is a day of no secular work Isaiah 58:13 and a day to honor God.

Six days are working days according to the scriptures Exodus 20:9 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10 and is God's holy day according to the scripture Isaiah 58:13

So is our worship worthy on a day God said to do work and do labor or the day God blessed and sanctified for holy use and is God's holy day? The answer should be easy.

Which is why the Sabbath is a holy convocation Leviticus 23:3
And the Sabbath continues to be when the saints will worship the Lord from one Sabbath to another Isaiah 66:22-23 and not a day of their choice.

Sabbath-keeping is a commandment of God. There is no commandment for Sunday-keeping or any scripture stating the Sabbath is "today" and we no longer have to keep the Sabbath commandment, we should follow the scripture and we are told to follow Jesus as our example, who went to the Temple on the Sabbath day to read God's Word Luke 4:16 and who kept the commandments of God John 15:10 and told us not to worship in vain keeping mans traditions over the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten. Matthew 15:9.

 

[Leaf473]

I remember seeing this discussion somewhere but let me share my input.

Interesting input, thank you. You may be thinking of the discussion starting at about post #78 here Creation Sabbath Origin

 

[JulieB67]

There is no commandment for Sunday-worship or any scripture stating we can worship Him on a day of our choice or the Sabbath is now "today" so agree we should follow

Again, you are confusing the right to "worship" with the Sabbath. Abraham worshipped before the law was even in place. Anyone can worship anytime they choose. Why would God give someone a commandant to worship him only one day a week? That's not biblical. And that's not what the Sabbath was about -worshipping him one day a week. It was about resting after labours.

He wants our love, reverence, etc. Even David and Daniel in the OT are described as bowing, on their knees praying, giving thanks, etc 3 times a day. That's worship in case you didn't realize. Bowing down, on your knees, etc. David as we know was called a man after God's own heart. He prayed and worshipped our Father constantly. Here's an example with Daniel continuing with our Father even after the writing was signed

Daniel 6:10 "Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime."

Worshipping doesn't entail going to church. That's my point. Or do you only worship on Saturdays? Again, I'm not talking about the Sabbath that was created for rest (which today is Sabbatimos) I'm stating there's nothing wrong with anyone going to church at any time or worshipping at home with others if they so choose. When is it a sin to worship God 24/7?? That makes no sense.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, you are confusing the right to "worship" with the Sabbath. Abraham worshipped before the law was even in place. Anyone can worship anytime they choose. Why would God give someone a commandant to worship him only one day a week? That's not biblical. And that's not what the Sabbath was about -worshipping him one day a week. It was about resting after labours.

He wants our love, reverence, etc. Even David and Daniel in the OT are described as bowing, on their knees praying, giving thanks, etc 3 times a day. That's worship in case you didn't realize. Bowing down, on your knees, etc. David as we know was called a man after God's own heart. He prayed and worshipped our Father constantly. Here's an example with Daniel continuing with our Father even after the writing was signed

Daniel 6:10 "Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime."

Worshipping doesn't entail going to church. That's my point. Or do you only worship on Saturdays? Again, I'm not talking about the Sabbath that was created for rest (which today is Sabbatimos) I'm stating there's nothing wrong with anyone going to church at any time or worshipping at home with others if they so choose. When is it a sin to worship God 24/7?? That makes no sense.

So you don't think God's holy day in His very own words, is not worthy of our worship, but a day to do work and labor is? Really?

God only says this about the seventh day Sabbath....

Isaiah 58:13“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, [Is worshipping God not a delight?]
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

And this about the Sabbath- not any other day

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Leviticus 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation.

But sadly billions of people choose a day that is not blessed by God, not sanctified by God, not God's holy day but a day to do work and labor and decide to make that the primary day of worship instead of keeping holy the Sabbath day like the commandment says. Exodus 20:8 which we were warned about in Daniel 7:25

Jesus said:

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; [from the Ten Commandments Exodus 20] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Which day better honors God?

A day God blessed, sanctified and told us to keep holy. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11
ho·ly
[ˈhōlē]
ADJECTIVE

1. dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred:
   "the Holy Bible" ·
   sacred · consecrated · hallowed · sanctified · venerated · revered · reverenced · divine · religious · blessed · blest · dedicated

or a day God deems to do work and labor? Exodus 20:9

la·bor
[ˈlābər]
NOUN

1. work, especially hard physical work:
   "the price of repairs includes labor and parts" ·
   task · job · chore · undertaking · mission · commission · assignment

I am really surprised this is even a debate.

But if all else fails what did Jesus do?

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

 

[JulieB67]

So you don't think God's holy day in His very own words, is not worthy of worship, but a day to do work and labor is? really?

God only says this about the seventh day Sabbath....

Colossians 3:17 "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him."

Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eye service, as men pleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:"


Colossians 3:23 "And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;"

Christians are not supposed to leave out God in any equation of their lives, even the workplace.

Again, our rest today is Sabbatimos, not Sabbaton. (the weekly Sabbath)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Colossians 3:17 "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him."

Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eye service, as men pleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:"


Colossians 3:23 "And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;"

Christians are not supposed to leave out God in any equation of their lives, even the workplace.

Again, our rest today is Sabbatimos, not Sabbaton. (the weekly Sabbath)

Agreed. God's saints also keep the commandments of God, which include Sabbath-keeping. Revelation 14:12, Exodus 20:8-11

Also, there is no scripture that says the Sabbath is today and we don't have to keep the 4th commandment and I noticed you didn't quote any and previously you said we should stick with the scriptures, which I fully agree.

Also, you didn't really address any of the scriptures I posted.

 

[JulieB67]

Also, there is no scripture that says the Sabbath is today and we don't have to keep the 4th commandment and I noticed you didn't quote any and previously you said we should stick with the scriptures, which I fully agree.

I've already posted the distinction between the words Sabbatimos and Sabbaton. We both know that Sabbatimos is the word for "rest" that remains, not Sabbaton in Hebrews 4.

Do you really "not" honour God the other 6 days??

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I've already posted the distinction between the words Sabbatimos and Sabbaton. We both know that Sabbatimos is the word for "rest" that remains, not Sabbaton in Hebrews 4.

Do you really "not" honour God the other 6 days??

You have not pointed out any scripture that says the Sabbath is "today" and we no longer need to keep the 4th commandment. Please point that out. You have eluded to Hebrews 4 but yet not one person has been able to clearly show where it says the Sabbath is now "today" and not on the seventh day, because its not there.

We should honor God every day, but that doesn't have anything thing to do with being granted permission to break a commandment of God.

 

[JulieB67]

You have not pointed out any scripture that says the Sabbath is "today" and we no longer need to keep the 4th commandment. Please point that out.

Yes, I can post the scriptures and you will post that the Sabbatimos is " a keeping of the Sabbath". When in reality, the weekly Sabbath is the word Sabbaton which I have already pointed out. But here goes,


Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

The rest here is not the weekly keeping of the Sabbath again that word is Greek word 4521. This word is Sabbatimos and it's the repose of Christianty. As a type of heaven/rest. It is not the weekly keeping of the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

What rest is the rest we must enter? "his rest" By doing so we cease from our "own" works.

Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

This all had to do with lack of faith and unbelief. Some could not enter in because of those factors. This has nothing to do with the keeping of the weekly Sabbath.


Matthew 11:28 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

You said we should honour God every day. Can someone worship God every day?

 

[Icyspark]

The thing that's gotten so crazy with the Sabbath debate is that the Sabbath was created for "rest" after 6 days of labour. It was not created to tell us which day we go to church and worship God. That's adding to the bible. Anyone can worship at any time and on any day. And we should be worshipping God/Christ every day.

Hi JulieB67,

I think SabbathBlessings did a good job responding to this post but I'll just add my 2 cents here as well.

You're right, we can certainly worship God 24/7, and the Sabbath isn't specifically about worshipping only on that particular day. It is, however, a holy day, a day in which God's presence is specifically infused. Consider Moses's encounter with the burning bush. As he approached the bush the Lord spoke from it and instructed him to remove his sandals. Why? God answers saying, "because the place where [Moses is] standing is holy ground." So the next question that naturally arises is why was the ground holy? God's presence, right? So if the seventh day is holy, doesn't it track to conclude that what makes the day holy is God's presence? None of the other six days are holy. They are merely work days. The one day of the week that is holy is also the one day which we are to rest from our works as God rested from His. So if we're resting from our regular activities does it not make sense to spend that time with God on His holy and blessed day which Jesus says was made for human beings and which God says we are to call a delight? Jesus's custom was to go to church on the Sabbath. Why would you think His custom is unworthy to follow? Paul's regular habit was to likewise go to church on the Sabbath. Why would you think His custom is unworthy to follow? The Bible indicates that Christians are to follow their examples (1 John 2:6; 1 Corinthians 11:1).

And today we should put our rest/Sabbatimos in Christ every day 24/7. That's what remained, not the weekly Sabbath, which is the word Sabbaton -huge difference. Many people can't even go to church on either day instead they are on call 24/7, doctors, nurses, paramedics, police and the list goes on. Again, this is not about which day one should go and worship but many people have made it so.

The resting to which you are referring is tied explicitly to "the seventh day" and "the creation of the world." You don't get to dismiss this clear imperative based on equivocating about what sabbatimos means to you. Context is determinative and context indicates that we are to rest from our works, "just as God did from His." From what works do you suppose the context of Hebrews 4 is referring to that God rested? If you say anything other than the resting on the seventh day of creation then you have just abandoned the main and plain meaning of the passage in favor of eisegesis.

Sabbatimos -Greek word 4520 a sabbatis i.e, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest. That's from the Strong's. We can continue to put in other definitions that say "a sabbath keeping" but it's still not going to change this definiton or the actual word below that does mean the day of weekly repose.

Sabbaton Greek word 4521 the Sabbath or day of the weekly repose from secular avocations. - This is not what remained no matter how many people define Sabbatimos that way. Sabbatimos is used one time like this in Hebrews 4.

If there remained a "keeping of the Sabbath, Sabbaton would have been used not Sabbatimos.

It all boils down are we going to believe the scriptures or someone outside of the scriptures. I choose the scriptures.

Hebrews 4 is very clear:

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.​

I too choose Scripture--read in it's normative sense.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[JulieB67]

ou're right, we can certainly worship God 24/7, and the Sabbath isn't specifically about worshipping only on that particular day. It is, however, a holy day, a day in which God's presence is specifically infused. Consider Moses's encounter with the burning bush. As he approached the bush the Lord spoke from it and instructed him to remove his sandals. Why? God answers saying, "because the place where [Moses is] standing is holy ground." So the next question that naturally arises is why was the ground holy? God's presence, right? So if the seventh day is holy, doesn't it track to conclude that what makes the day holy is God's presence? None of the other six days are holy. They are merely work days. The one day of the week that is holy is also the one day which we are to rest from our works as God rested from His. So if we're resting from our regular activities does it not make sense to spend that time with God on His holy and blessed day which Jesus says was made for human beings and which God says we are to call a delight? Jesus's custom was to go to church on the Sabbath. Why would you think His custom is unworthy to follow? Paul's regular habit was to likewise go to church on the Sabbath. Why would you think His custom is unworthy to follow? The Bible indicates that Christians are to follow their examples (1 John 2:6; 1 Corinthians 11:1).

Today we as Christians, we have the comforter, the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of us. That's our comforter which brings us Sabbatimos, the repose of Christianity. That's not taking away from the holiness of the Sabbath. That's fulfilling it. And that's what Hebrews 4 is about. Entering into that rest. In the beginning of the chapter and even in chapter 3 -some could not enter in after they heard the gospel because it was not mixed with faith- unbelief. God's creating the earth in 6 days and resting after that is the example. When we enter into his rest, we cease from our own works. This isn't talking about physical labour. We are talking about "his" rest.

Peter states,

I Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, "Be ye holy; for I am holy." "

We can't take away from Christ. He is the Holy one that we put our rest in.

Speaking of work, I'm off to it...