What does "We all agree X is wrong -> objective morality" actually mean

[perplexed]

I don't understand the comment "We all know torturing children is wrong so there must be objective morality"

Could something that thinks it is true explain it in a totally different way

please please please do not just say "but why do you think that"
I would suggest that you only use scripture

 

[Clare73]

I don't understand the comment "We all know torturing children is wrong so there must be objective morality"
Could something that thinks it is true explain it in a totally different way
please please please do not just say "but why do you think that"
I would suggest that you only use scripture

An innate morality common to man is evidence of a conscience (Romans 2:14-15).

 

[perplexed]

Wow

 

[Sabertooth]

I would suggest that you only use scripture

You have to be Born Again before you can form an objective view on ethics.

Jesus said,
“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot (even) see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:3 NKJV​

 

[Hans Blaster]

You have to be Born Again before you can form an objective view on ethics.

Jesus said,
“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot (even) see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:3 NKJV​

I guess then I'm out. I was never "born again". I was just a Catholic.

 

[perplexed]

If you think the statement "We all know murder is wrong so there must be objective morality" is true
Do you think it is same as the same as the statement
"An innate morality common to man is evidence of a conscience and it is important people are guided by their conscience"

 

[Sabertooth]

I guess then I'm out. I was never "born again". I was just a Catholic.

(I have met Born Again Catholics before.)

 

[Sabertooth]

If you think the statement "We all know murder is wrong so there must be objective morality" is true
Do you think it is same as the same as the statement
"An innate morality common to man is evidence of a conscience and it is important people are guided by their conscience"

We all have a general sense via The Golden Rule, but specific details require revelation, which requires our surrender to the Holy Spirit [John 14:26].

 

[perplexed]

We all have a general sense via The Golden Rule, but specific details require revelation, which requires our surrender to the Holy Spirit [John 14:26].

In your opinion does the existence of the golden rule provide clear evidence that there is a Holy Spirit you must surrender to ?

 

[Sabertooth]

In your opinion does the existence of the golden rule provide clear evidence that there is a Holy Spirit you must surrender to ?

No. That only becomes clear after you are Born Again; it is one of the perks!

 

[perplexed]

No. That only becomes clear after you are Born Again; it is one of the perks!

Can you explain what is meant by the comment
"We all know torturing children is wrong SO there must be objective morality"
I am guessing it is something along the lines of
"There is a golden rule SO there must be....."

 

[essentialsaltes]

I don't understand it either.

A vote, even a unanimous vote, does not turn something from an opinion into an objective truth.

We don't vote on whether 2916 is a perfect square.

 

[Sabertooth]

Can you explain what is meant by the comment
"We all know torturing children is wrong SO there must be objective morality"
I am guessing it is something along the lines of
"There is a golden rule SO there must be....."

We know that we would not like to be tortured, so it is probably not good generally.
(A refinement of this is that we might be willing to endure pain if ultimate good will come from it, like in the cases of physical training or surgery.)

 

[Clare73]

I guess then I'm out. I was never "born again". I was just a Catholic.

Was a Catholic?

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't understand the comment "We all know torturing children is wrong so there must be objective morality"

Could something that thinks it is true explain it in a totally different way

please please please do not just say "but why do you think that"
I would suggest that you only use scripture

Why is this in American Politics if you only want scriptural arguments? You don't seem to want to discuss the politics of this...

 

[Clare73]

If you think the statement "We all know murder is wrong so there must be objective morality" is true
Do you think it is same as the same as the statement
"An innate morality common to man is evidence of a conscience and
it is important people are guided by their conscience"

God will judge people by the rule of their conscience (Romans 2:12).

 

[Valletta]

I guess then I'm out. I was never "born again". I was just a Catholic.

All of those who received the sacrament of Baptism are born again.

 

[DaisyDay]

All of those who received the sacrament of Baptism are born again.

How many time can a person be born again?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Was a Catholic?

Yep. That's right. Was. Never was "born again" what ever that nebulous notion is.

 

[Clare73]

How many time can a person be born again?

It refers to spiritual rebirth from the spiritual death of Adam.
Just as at the resurrection, our physical bodies will be "born again" from physical death.

One can be spiritually reborn only once, for then it is eternal,
just as the resurrection (rebirth) of our bodies is eternal.