Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH.

[Servus]

Are you comfortable that your position judges the vast majority of Christians living today?

And for the last 2000 years.

Whereas you're at least 15 years older than the Messianic movement.

 

[Servus]

I'm not judging them. That's YHWH's job. I'm praying for them.

The title of this thread; Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH, seems judgmental to me.

 

[HARK!]

The title of this thread; Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH, seems judgmental to me.

Are you judging Paul?

 

[Servus]

Are you judging Paul?

There's nothing wrong with judging what someone is conveying, whether it be you or Paul. As far as passing judgement goes, Paul passed judgement frequently. Using Bible passages where judgement is being passed, and using it to point a finger at whomever, is pretty much passing judgment by extension.

 

[HARK!]

There's nothing wrong with judging what someone is conveying, whether it be you or Paul.

Then why bring it up?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are you judging Paul?

This is what Paul taught...

Romans 2 :29

he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

 

[HARK!]

This is what Paul taught...

Romans 2 :29

he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.

Here is what Yahshua taught:

Matthew 7:23

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who work lawlessness.


Can we get back to the OP now?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I might add this quote sits comfortably with the following teaching from Paul...

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Is my contribution not very much in response to the OP ???

 

[Servus]

Then why bring it up?

It got brought up when someone asked you if you were comfortable that your position judges the vast majority of Christians living today. You said you're not judging them. I concluded that you are though scripture.

 

[Servus]

Here is what Yahshua taught:

Matthew 7:23

But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who work lawlessness.

Which you're applying to all the Christians who don't observe the Saturday sabbath, right?

 

[DamianWarS]

The Torah is spiritual.

indeed, but interpreted through a static physical lens meant for place and time. For example, God reveals to Peter the meaning of the dietary laws and it turns out it's nothing to do with animals it's to do with God's outpouring of his Holy Spirit to the Jews first and then released to all people. Since God unpacks it for us we know this to be true. What it reveals is the dietary laws were a physical representation of a deeper spiritual meaning but it is first through the physical which is what the law does. The law demonstrates deep spiritual meaning through the physical and that's the point of the law.

law written on our hearts is of the spirit. you can't capture it in a static list because there is no setlist and it's not "written in stone" as the expression puts it but instead it is fluid and dynamic, as the spirit wills. Law written on our hearts is akin to walking in the spirit and is a product of infilling of the spirit upon salvation. We are directed by the spirit and those steps are the laws written upon our hearts.

(CLV) 1 Cor 3:3 for you are manifesting a letter of Christ, dispensed by us, and engraven, not with ink, but with the spirit of the living God, not on stone tablets, but on the fleshy tablets of the heart."

the spirit of the living God is the ink, so it is living ink, changing and moving through our lives to reveal the will and direction God has for our lives.

 

[HARK!]

It got brought up when someone asked you if you were comfortable that your position judges the vast majority of Christians living today. You said you're not judging them. I concluded that you are though scripture.

Have you considered the possibility that you might be projecting?

Which you're applying to all the Christians who don't observe the Saturday sabbath, right?

...and making strawman arguments?

 

[HARK!]

ndeed, but interpreted through a static physical lens meant for place and time. For example, God reveals to Peter the meaning of the dietary laws

That's a twisted statement.

The meaning of the dietary laws were not revealed in that event. A point was revealed through dietary laws in that event.

and it turns out it's nothing to do with animals it's to do with God's outpouring of his Holy Spirit to the Jews first and then released to all people.

I propose that the Ruach Ha'Kodesh was speaking to the Goyim before Yahshua walked the earth.

How did Pharaoh know that it was wrong to take Abraham's wife?

Since God unpacks it for us we know this to be true.

This is not of YHWH.

What it reveals is the dietary laws were a physical representation of a deeper spiritual meaning but it is first through the physical which is what the law does.

Maybe. Maybe not. The first sin appears to have been the breaking of a dietary law.

law written on our hearts is of the spirit.

YHWH himself said that he would write his Torah on our hearts. Do you have anything more than conjecture to support your supposition? Scripture please.

you can't capture it in a static list because there is no setlist and it's not "written in stone" as the expression puts it but instead it is fluid and dynamic, as the spirit wills.

(CLV) Jn 16:13
Yet whenever that may be coming—the spirit of truth—it will be guiding you into all the truth, for it will not be speaking from itself, but whatsoever it should be hearing will it be speaking, and of what is coming will it be informing you.

 

[Servus]

Have you considered the possibility that you might be projecting?
...and making strawman arguments?

I've considered the probability that "Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH" is about Christians who don't worship on Saturday.

 

[HARK!]

I think there's a probability that "Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH" is about Christians who don't worship on Saturday.

Those are your words, not mine.

 

[Servus]

Those are your words, not mine.

Am I wrong?

 

[HARK!]

Am I wrong?

Are you?

Can you show me a Torah (instruction) to worship on Saturday?

 

[Servus]

Are you?

Can you show me a Torah (instruction) to worship on Saturday?

"‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." Leviticus 23:3 is often cited.

 

[HARK!]

"‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." Leviticus 23:3 is often cited.

First of all, there is no mention of Saturn day in this verse.

That said, the word (מקרא) means meeting.