Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[daq]

Why did the Apostle Paul, who understood the law better than any of us, tell the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below?

What are the "two covenants" Paul is contrasting in the passage below?


Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

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As explained many times: these two covenants essentially boil down to the natural minded view, which is according to the flesh, as opposed to the supernal minded view, which is according to the Spirit, and only understood by and through the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts.

If you view the covenant according to the Pharisee way, seeing all things as natural, outwardly, carnal, and physical, then you are in the "foolish Galatians" category. The only reason you get away with it is because, instead of doing as the Pharisees and trying to perform the outward and physical minded "works of the law", you rather have found a way to do away with it all by imagining that Paul has done away with the Torah for you.

What Paul says about a veil being over the heart, mind, and eyes when reading the Torah applies to all, and finding a way to abolish the Torah or render it obsolete will never remove the veil: it is only removed "IN Messiah". The goal IN Messiah is to understand the Torah, not to get rid of it. Finding a way to justify yourself by nullifying the Father's Word is surely not pleasing to the Father.

 

[JLB777]

You’re repeating yourself without addressing any of my posts or scriptures that was posted. We should seek Truth in scriptures, but we have free will.

You keep posting scriptures from the law of Moses and the Old Testament concerning the Sabbath, while at the same time You refuse to engage in meaningful dialogue by addressing my request that you show me where Jesus Christ or His Apostles instructed us as to HOW we are t observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.


Again, I have posted the scriptures that instruct us how the Sabbath was observed under the law of Moses, and you seemed to agree that we are not to sacrifice animals or put a brother to death for violating the Sabbath, yet you keep presenting scriptures from the law of Moses to somehow try and validate your point.


Let me know when you have some scriptures from the New Testament, whereby Jesus or His Apostles instruct and command the Church to keep the Sabbath, and HOW we are to keep it holy under the New Covenant guidelines.


Please show us from the New Testament, HOW we keep the Sabbath holy today?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Brother, it is through Paul that God calls us, in the new covenant, to keep the true Sabbath of God rescued from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna! They kept a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning, which was right in Eden, but not near the Promised Land. When they reached the Promised Land, they switched to a Sabbath from evening to evening, which is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of creation.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Yes, the remains a rest (to come) for the people of God.


Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:6-10



The way we enter His rest is through Jesus Christ; being in Christ.


There is no rest outside of Jesus Christ.



JLB

 

[BABerean2]

You keep posting scriptures from the law of Moses and the Old Testament concerning the Sabbath, while at the same time You refuse to engage in meaningful dialogue by addressing my request that you show me where Jesus Christ or His Apostles instructed us as to HOW we are t observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.


Again, I have posted the scriptures that instruct us how the Sabbath was observed under the law of Moses, and you seemed to agree that we are not to sacrifice animals or put a brother to death for violating the Sabbath, yet you keep presenting scriptures from the law of Moses to somehow try and validate your point.


Let me know when you have some scriptures from the New Testament, whereby Jesus or His Apostles instruct and command the Church to keep the Sabbath, and HOW we are to keep it holy under the New Covenant guidelines.


Please show us from the New Testament, HOW we keep the Sabbath holy today?




JLB

Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week for those who are in the New Covenant.


Joh 5:14 After these things, Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said to him, 'Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.'
Joh 5:15 The man went away, and told the Jews that it is Jesus who made him whole,
Joh 5:16 and because of this were the Jews persecuting Jesus, and seeking to kill him, because these things he was doing on a sabbath.
Joh 5:17 And Jesus answered them, 'My Father till now doth work, and I work;'


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


1Co_16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul told the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage”.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. Instead, we are come to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.


Thank you for speaking the truth.

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[Leaf473]

Brother, yes! The biblical Sabbath gives God's prime meridian regardless of the tradition of the week from the beginning. The agreement between the tradition of the week from the beginning and the biblical Sabbath has me wondering whether Judaism's tradition of the Sabbath is responsible for the right bulge in the International Date Line. The right bulge agrees with God's prime meridian to the present day before Judaism was troubled by the general agreement for the current site of the International Date Line, which does not make sense with their wrong view of the days of creation being from evening to evening when they are from morning to morning.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I found this website which gives a pretty detailed history of the IDL:
History of the International Date Line and the Standard Time Zone charts of the World presentation arranged by WorldTimeZone, World Time Zone

At no time is the entirety of the IDL actually at that right most bulge. Though, it does zigzag across it sometimes.

imo and following your train of thought, it's better just to say that the Sabbath starts at sunset in Jerusalem, which makes *God's* IDL at about 146° West.

If we talk about *the* IDL, people tend to associate that with the standard one, the one that's always been related to 180°.

Then relating it to the thread topic, does the Holy Spirit explicitly lead people to keep the Sabbath fixed to sunset in Jerusalem?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The Old Testament Sabbath rest points to Jesus. Those who have been converted to Christ, Jesus has become the Sabbath rest for them. This is the rest from works required for salvation. Those who insist on keeping the Jewish Sabbath are denying Christ and ignoring salvation through Him.

 

[guevaraj]

I found this website which gives a pretty detailed history of the IDL: History of the International Date Line and the Standard Time Zone charts of the World presentation arranged by WorldTimeZone, World Time Zone. At no time is the entirety of the IDL actually at that right most bulge. Though, it does zigzag across it sometimes. imo and following your train of thought, it's better just to say that the Sabbath starts at sunset in Jerusalem, which makes *God's* IDL at about 146° West. If we talk about *the* IDL, people tend to associate that with the standard one, the one that's always been related to 180°.

Brother, happy Sabbath! Did you notice the largest land mass in North America divided by the International Date Line? From 1721 to 1867, the Russian Empire had the largest land mass divided by the International Date Line closest to God's prime meridian in what we know as Alaska.

Then relating it to the thread topic, does the Holy Spirit explicitly lead people to keep the Sabbath fixed to sunset in Jerusalem?

According to the Scriptures, we could have had the Sabbath from Joshua because the "good news" of how to enter the Sabbath in the Promised Land and how not to enter the Sabbath during the 40 years in the wilderness with Manna was announced to Joshua, but it did him no good because he "didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BABerean2]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Did you notice the largest land mass in North America divided by the International Date Line? From 1721 to 1867, the Russian Empire had the largest land mass divided by the International Date Line closest to God's prime meridian in what we know as Alaska.

According to the Scriptures, we could have had the Sabbath from Joshua because the "good news" of how to enter the Sabbath in the Promised Land and how not to enter the Sabbath during the 40 years in the wilderness with Manna was announced to Joshua, but it did him no good because he "didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Is the focus below about the Son of God, or is it on a day of the week?


Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Did you notice the largest land mass in North America divided by the International Date Line? From 1721 to 1867, the Russian Empire had the largest land mass divided by the International Date Line closest to God's prime meridian in what we know as Alaska.

According to the Scriptures, we could have had the Sabbath from Joshua because the "good news" of how to enter the Sabbath in the Promised Land and how not to enter the Sabbath during the 40 years in the wilderness with Manna was announced to Joshua, but it did him no good because he "didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I noticed that the international date line zigzags all over the place and has changed a lot throughout history. To say that this particular part of the line at this particular time in history supports what you're saying... well, it doesn't really sound very supportive imo.

The thread title asks Has the Holy Spirit... not Could the Holy Spirit...
From your answer it sounds like No, the Holy Spirit hasn't. That is up until now, when you and the other people in your group found this particular interpretation. About how many people do you know of believe that the Sabbath is fixed to sunset in Jerusalem?

Peace be with you, my brother!

 

[guevaraj]

I noticed that the international date line zigzags all over the place and has changed a lot throughout history. To say that this particular part of the line at this particular time in history supports what you're saying... well, it doesn't really sound very supportive imo.

Brother, it shows that the British in 1884 forced their movement of the International Date Line to the left despite the people of Russia, when they gave Greenwich, England prominence over God's prime meridian from the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week.

The thread title asks Has the Holy Spirit... not Could the Holy Spirit...From your answer it sounds like No, the Holy Spirit hasn't. That is up until now, when you and the other people in your group found this particular interpretation. About how many people do you know of believe that the Sabbath is fixed to sunset in Jerusalem? Peace be with you, my brother!

Already in 1953, our people understood that from evening to morning is the period that God called "night" and that the days in Genesis begin in the “morning”, having ended in the “morning”. Written was the SDA Bible commentary from 1953 to 1957, as stated on wikipedia.org. I highlight the end of the second paragraph in its comment on verse 5 of chapter 1 of Genesis. While it is true that the first "evening" preceded the first "morning", what is not said is that you cannot have an "evening" without having light first. What was before the light was "darkness" and not "evening". Those are different words that are not interchangeable. The Holy Spirit has been working on the correction of the Sabbath for a long time, but most of us do not listen.

Some have thought creative act lasted one night, from the evening to the morning; and others, that every day began with the morning, although the inspired Record states plainly that the evening preceded the morning. (SDA Bible Commentary, found online)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, it shows that the British in 1884 forced their movement of the International Date Line to the left despite the people of Russia, when they gave Greenwich, England prominence over God's prime meridian from the beginning of the counting of the days, with the week.

Already in 1953, our people understood that from evening to morning is the period that God called "night" and that the days in Genesis begin in the “morning”, having ended in the “morning”. Written was the SDA Bible commentary from 1953 to 1957, as stated on wikipedia.org. I highlight the end of the second paragraph in its comment on verse 5 of chapter 1 of Genesis. While it is true that the first "evening" preceded the first "morning", what is not said is that you cannot have an "evening" without having light first. What was before the light was "darkness" and not "evening". Those are different words that are not interchangeable. The Holy Spirit has been working on the correction of the Sabbath for a long time, but most of us do not listen.

Some have thought creative act lasted one night, from the evening to the morning; and others, that every day began with the morning, although the inspired Record states plainly that the evening preceded the morning. (SDA Bible Commentary, found online)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

That sounds like a strange reading of History to me. From what I can see, the international date line was always around 180°. Russia had moved it East to incorporate their territory of Alaska. Then when the USA bought Alaska, the US made it match up with the rest of the states. Was Britain involved in that?

Thanks for the info from the SDA Bible commentary. About how many people believe that the Sabbath is fixed to sunset in Jerusalem?

 

[guevaraj]

That sounds like a strange reading of History to me. From what I can see, the international date line was always around 180°. Russia had moved it East to incorporate their territory of Alaska. Then when the USA bought Alaska, the US made it match up with the rest of the states. Was Britain involved in that?

Brother, the British drew their International Date Line in 1884, 163 years after the Russian Empire had a different tradition of where in the world the date changes. What tradition is older? What tradition was not trying to establish a human prime meridian in Greenwich, England?

Thanks for the info from the SDA Bible commentary. About how many people believe that the Sabbath is fixed to sunset in Jerusalem?

I know of one person who enters the Sabbath, no matter where, when it begins in Jerusalem: myself. Hebrews 3 and 4 corrects a human tradition that has God keeping a 36 hour Sabbath, where it is Sabbath for some and not for others all over the world at a given time when Jesus kept a 24 hour Sabbath like me.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

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[Leaf473]

Brother, the British drew their International Date Line in 1884, 163 years after the Russian Empire had a different tradition of where in the world the date changes. What tradition is older? What tradition was not trying to establish a human prime meridian in Greenwich, England?

I know of one person who enters the Sabbath, no matter where, when it begins in Jerusalem: myself. Hebrews 3 and 4 corrects a human tradition that has God keeping a 36 hour Sabbath, where it is Sabbath for some and not for others all over the world at a given time when Jesus kept a 24 hour Sabbath like me.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The Russian tradition is obviously older. But it looks to me like what moved the date line away from the East end of Alaska was the sale of that territory to the USA. It was then the USA that moved it.

I think everyone involved was using a date line they thought would be best for business and organization. I don't think anyone was attempting to line it up with the inverse longitude of Jerusalem.

I hear what you're saying about a movable Sabbath creating a 36-hour Sabbath day. By my calculations, it's 48 hours, but same idea.

Okay, so as far as we know, one person is keeping a Sabbath fixed to sunset in Jerusalem. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, but it is probably a warning sign. Either a lot of people have hardened their heart to the Holy Spirit, or it's not something the Spirit is leading people to do.

Peace, my brother!

 

[guevaraj]

The Russian tradition is obviously older. But it looks to me like what moved the date line away from the East end of Alaska was the sale of that territory to the USA. It was then the USA that moved it. I think everyone involved was using a date line they thought would be best for business and organization. I don't think anyone was attempting to line it up with the inverse longitude of Jerusalem.

Brother, the Russian Empire had the largest diaspora of Jews in the world. This is what wikipedia.org says about Jews in Russia:

Jews in Russia have historically constituted a large religious and ethnic diaspora; the Russian Empire at one time hosted the largest population of Jews in the world. Within these territories the primarily Ashkenazi Jewish communities of many different areas flourished and developed many of modern Judaism's most distinctive theological and cultural traditions, while also facing periods of anti-Semitic discriminatory policies and persecutions. (wikipedia.org)​

I hear what you're saying about a movable Sabbath creating a 36-hour Sabbath day. By my calculations, it's 48 hours, but same idea. Okay, so as far as we know, one person is keeping a Sabbath fixed to sunset in Jerusalem. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, but it is probably a warning sign.

This is why the Bible says it is taking so long to correct the Sabbath: "they didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

Either a lot of people have hardened their heart to the Holy Spirit, or it's not something the Spirit is leading people to do. Peace, my brother!

Those led by the Spirit must understand that when the Holy Spirit is quiet on Sunday versus Sabbath, it is not because He does not care what day you "rest", but that the truth about the Sabbath has not been found for the Holy Spirit to help us separate truth from error. Hebrews 4 says that during the 40 years that Israel kept the Seventh-day Sabbath with Manna from morning to morning, that Sabbath was not the "rest" that God kept on the seventh day of creation. It would have been God's "rest" if Israel were in Eden, but not near the Promised Land where the Sabbath falls from evening to evening and not from morning to morning as in Eden.

There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:9-11 NIV)​

The "rest" that God wants us to enter is the "rest" of the Sabbath because it is the only "rest" that we know that God kept. We are called above to enter the "rest" of ceasing from our own works "just as God did from His" on the seventh day of creation.

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” (Hebrews 4:4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the Russian Empire had the largest diaspora of Jews in the world. This is what wikipedia.org says about Jews in Russia:

Jews in Russia have historically constituted a large religious and ethnic diaspora; the Russian Empire at one time hosted the largest population of Jews in the world. Within these territories the primarily Ashkenazi Jewish communities of many different areas flourished and developed many of modern Judaism's most distinctive theological and cultural traditions, while also facing periods of anti-Semitic discriminatory policies and persecutions. (wikipedia.org)​

This is why the Bible says it is taking so long to correct the Sabbath: "they didn't share the faith of those who listened to God".

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

Those led by the Spirit must understand that when the Holy Spirit is quiet on Sunday versus Sabbath, it is not because He does not care what day you "rest", but that the truth about the Sabbath has not been found for the Holy Spirit to help us separate truth from error. Hebrews 4 says that during the 40 years that Israel kept the Seventh-day Sabbath with Manna from morning to morning, that Sabbath was not the "rest" that God kept on the seventh day of creation. It would have been God's "rest" if Israel were in Eden, but not near the Promised Land where the Sabbath falls from evening to evening and not from morning to morning as in Eden.

There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:9-11 NIV)​

The "rest" that God wants us to enter is the "rest" of the Sabbath because it is the only "rest" that we know that God kept. We are called above to enter the "rest" of ceasing from our own works "just as God did from His" on the seventh day of creation.

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” (Hebrews 4:4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Interesting about the number of Jews in Russia.

It's possible that God is speaking to many people about the Sabbath starting at sunset in Jerusalem, and that you are the only one listening. It's possible, but I think it's unlikely.

I think you have an interesting idea, and there is wisdom in exploring it, just as there is wisdom in exploring other aspects of the law.

May the Lord bless you and keep you, my man!

 

[guevaraj]

It's possible that God is speaking to many people about the Sabbath starting at sunset in Jerusalem, and that you are the only one listening. It's possible, but I think it's unlikely.

Brother, happy Sabbath! Among those who "first" heard this "good news" of entering God's Sabbath and were punished with an "oath" for 40 years was Joshua.

So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:6-11 NLT)​

Joshua did not benefit from the punishment of 40 years by "oath" when he assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week, as it was with Manna for 40 years in the wilderness, when God prevented those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" from entering into His Sabbath for 40 years by keeping a Sabbath from morning to morning that was right on the site of creation in Eden but nowhere near the Promised Land.

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:16-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Among those who "first" heard this "good news" of entering God's Sabbath and were punished with an "oath" for 40 years was Joshua.

So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:6-11 NLT)​

Joshua did not benefit from the punishment of 40 years by "oath" when he assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week, as it was with Manna for 40 years in the wilderness, when God prevented those "whose corpses lay in the wilderness" from entering into His Sabbath for 40 years by keeping a Sabbath from morning to morning that was right on the site of creation in Eden but nowhere near the Promised Land.

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:16-19 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay... Joshua was punished for 40 years with an oath. How does that relate to you or me?

 

[guevaraj]

Okay... Joshua was punished for 40 years with an oath. How does that relate to you or me?

Brother, the message in Hebrews 3 and 4 corrects our misunderstanding of what God did when He made the seventh day of creation week "holy".

“Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the LORD your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NLT)​

God separated the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week when He made it "holy" in the creation time zone in Eden. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the week of creation remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the message in Hebrews 3 and 4 corrects our misunderstanding of what God did when He made the seventh day of creation week "holy".

“Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the LORD your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NLT)​

God separated the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week when He made it "holy" in the creation time zone in Eden. In the following passage, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the week of creation remembered in the time zone of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Right, I have a basic understanding of your reasoning. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is leading other people to practice the Sabbath the same way that you do?